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NYKMentality
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12/11/2012  3:44 AM
First and foremost, as a fan base I'd like to know where everyone stands. If you agree and/or disagree, state why...

Stoudemire is on the verge of returning which is why I created this thread. Should be back by Christmas, or maybe even before. We're only 7 games away before our matchup with the Lakers come Christmas day, and Stoudemire will be there.

In today's NBA you can have 13 players active per game night. Once both Shumpert and Stoudemire return, James White and Chris Copeland will then slide over. A currently 15-5 team being on the verge of replacing White and Copeland with the likes of Shumpert and Stoudemire? Sign me up.

It appears as if Stoudemire's expected to come off the bench upon his return, and rightfully so, but I do believe that we'll work Stoudemire into our starting lineup sooner rather than later. But this time, he'll understand that our offense goes through Melo. Which is why Amar'e being out, starting off our season, could end up being/becoming a blessing in disguise moving forward. We all know that it's Melo's team moving forward, and Amar'e has always been an outstanding teammate, which means that Stoudemire will play his role in regards to helping us compete for a championship.

Stoudemire's return to the starting lineup should really help our team overall. A.) Brewer then goes to the bench as more team depth. B.) Melo then goes back to his natural position (SF) and C.) Melo at SF along with Stoudemire at PF should improve our ability to board off the glass. Melo's stronger than Brewer off the glass and Stoudemire's stronger than Melo off the glass; a trickling effect.

I'm getting way ahead of myself. Lets look at our rotation upon Stoudemire's return...

C: Tyson Chandler.
PF: Carmelo Anthony.
SF: Ronnie Brewer.
2G: Jason Kidd.
PG: Raymond Felton.

C: Rasheed Wallace / Marcus Camby.
PF: Amar'e Stoudemire / Kurt Thomas.
SF: Steve Novak.
2G: J.R Smith.
PG: Pablo Prigioni.

Look at that backup unit. Pretty scary. Unlimited options for our coaching staff. We could rest both Melo and Kidd at the PF and 2G positions with Stoudemire (PF) and J.R Smith (2G). Also, having Rasheed Wallace as a stretch 5 who can drain the deep ball could become huge for Stoudemire working in space down low. I really hope to see lots of Stoudemire and Rasheed Wallace working together, because Rasheed can open up the court in order for Stoudemire to feast with space. Continue to use both J.R Smith and Steve Novak as a duo off the bench, but we could (now) be on the verge of a few more bench duo's. A.) Wallace and Stoudemire. B.) J.R and Stoudemire and/or C.) Novak and Stoudemire. Crazy just thinking about it...

Now, what happens once Shumpert returns? By that time, I believe Stoudemire will have returned to our starting lineup. Like Stoudemire, I believe we'll work Shumpert back into our starting lineup. Allowing Kidd more rest along with Kidd working more with our backup unit moving forward.

C: Tyson Chandler.
PF: Amar'e Stoudemire.
SF: Carmelo Anthony.
2G: Jason Kidd.
PG: Raymond Felton.

C: Marcus Camby.
PF: Rasheed Wallace / Kurt Thomas.
SF: Iman Shumpert / Ronnie Brewer.
2G: J.R Smith
PG: Pablo Prigioni.

Our bench then becomes so deep, where you'll have to play one of either Shumpert or J.R Smith out of position (depth chart wise). J.R, Shumpert and Brewer will provide us with amazing perimeter defense off the bench. Insane.

I also believe that Stoudemire being surrounded by defensive BIG's such as Chandler, Camby, Wallace and Kurt Thomas will help Stoudemire himself in regards to the defensive end of the court. He'll be held accountable by these veteran big men, and I believe we'll see a focused and hungry Stoudemire in return on the defensive end. He can rebound and contest shots, that's not a question. The defensive talent is there. It's all about focus with Amar'e and defense. If we get a focused Stoudemire, watch out.

Now, come postseason play, will Shumpert and Stoudemire both return to our starting lineup? I really hope so.

C: Tyson Chandler.
PF: Amar'e Stoudemire.
SF: Carmelo Anthony.
2G: Iman Shumpert.
PG: Raymond Felton.

C: Marcus Camby.
PF: Rasheed Wallace / Kurt Thomas.
SF: Steve Novak / Ronnie Brewer.
2G: J.R Smith.
PG: Jason Kidd / Pablo Prigioni.

And that's our 13 man rotation when fully healthy.

I truthfully love that starting 5. Defensive minded players in Shumpert and Chandler. Felton and Melo can also D-up. Offense in Felton, Melo and Stoudemire. Shumpert can also contribute on offense and Chandler finishes anything near the rim. We also feature rebounding in Melo, Stoudemire and Chandler in regards to our frontcourt. Looks to be a very well balanced starting 5.

That backup unit looks to be deadly with a future H.O.F PG in Jason Kidd running the show.
J.R Smith for instant offense and/or defensive energy off the bench. Novak as a threat beyond the arc. Brewer for lockdown perimeter defense. Kurt, Rasheed and Camby for veteran BIG's down low. Pablo Prigioni as a player who can (help) keep Kidd fresh moving forward.

I just like the idea of Shumpert developing with our stars, Melo replacing Brewer at his natural position (SF) along with Shumpert replacing Kidd at 2G. Allowing Kidd the opportunity rest up while leading our backup unit.

Raymond Felton, Jason Kidd, Pablo Prigioni, Iman Shumpert, J.R Smith, Ronnie Brewer, Steve Novak, Carmelo Anthony, Amar'e Stoudemire, Kurt Thomas, Rasheed Wallace, Marcus Camby and Tyson Chandler.

In all my years of watching NBA basketball, I've never once seen a team as deep as this one. So I'll understand if we all have our own differences in regards to our starting lineup and/or rotation moving forward. Well over 20 years of watching, and have never once seen anything like this before. 13 deep without question. When fully healthy, this team can not be stopped.

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Anji
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12/11/2012  6:08 AM
Yeah I don't think so, this team could be 20-7 before Stat comes back and don't know how you change up what is working for you if the team is winning that much. Stats probably coming off the bench unless we play a Grizzles type front court.

I could see Thomas not dressing towards the end of the season, probably for White because Woody seems to trust him more than Copeland.

Novack/Wallace/Camby might split time but I think coach trust Wallace then Novack more than Camby.

Looking forward to playing the Heat and busting out the Brewer/Shumps/Melo line up to slow them down during games. That could be the starting line up next season too.

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12/11/2012  6:19 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/11/2012  6:24 AM
Anji wrote:Yeah I don't think so, this team could be 20-7 before Stat comes back and don't know how you change up what is working for you if the team is winning that much. Stats probably coming off the bench unless we play a Grizzles type front court.

I could see Thomas not dressing towards the end of the season, probably for White because Woody seems to trust him more than Copeland.

Novack/Wallace/Camby might split time but I think coach trust Wallace then Novack more than Camby.

Looking forward to playing the Heat and busting out the Brewer/Shumps/Melo line up to slow them down during games. That could be the starting line up next season too.

Well, I'll disagree here.

I can't see White getting more playing time than Kurt Thomas. Kurt may be up there in age, but he's a veteran with lots of experience. Very strong low-post defender. Can really help us come postseason play.

I especially disagree with coach Woodson trusting Sheed over Novak and/or Novak splitting time with the likes of Wallace and Camby. Novak is one of the greatest pure shooters from beyond the arc in the game today. Averaging 24.5 minutes per game when compared to 14.8 out of Wallace. If Wallace ever starts to spit time with Novak, it'll become a crying shame on coach Woodson's part.

Now, once Stoudemire returns, I do believe that aging veterans such as Kurt Thomas, Rasheed Wallace and Marcus Camby will begin to split time with one another. And rightfully so. Keep eachother fresh for the long haul. But Novak should continue to see his 20+ minutes per game. Maybe not 24.5, but most definitely 19-21 minutes per.

Also, the Knicks could be 20-7 by the time Stoudemire returns (or maybe even better), but as I stated... I fully expect Amar'e to come off the bench upon his return. Although I believe Stoudemire will work his way into the starting lineup before the playoffs begin.

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12/11/2012  8:19 AM
The way we look at it to start is: how many minutes will they play? You can expect Amar'e to play at least 26 and maybe even 32 as a high, Shump will get his because he's the young star, the kid we're grooming, he'll have to get his 30 or more I don't see a way around it what can I really say? This team is THAT STACKED
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12/11/2012  3:23 PM
Copeland doesn't even make the team? Is he getting cut to make space?
And I don't see what world KT is getting more playing time than JWhite at this point.
Also relying on Camby that heavily to do anything given what we've seen so far is a bit of a stretch.

Still, homeristic nitpicking aside, I agree with the NYKState of mind.

Scary freakin deep.

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12/11/2012  3:36 PM
Hard to say. I would like to see Amare/Shump take Sheed and Brewers minutes. Big upgrades there. The question is the lineups. Assuming both Amare and Shump are ready today but limited to 18-20 minutes a game for the first 2 months.

Does Woody start 3 guards, Melo and Chandler? No reason that couldnt work. Then you can bring you bigs off the bench. To me the logical thing would be to start Amare instead of Brewer as the two PGs has been super effective and Knicks start very strong. If you do that when does Shump play? If he's off the bench is he ahead or behind JR in the rotation?

Not really enamored w/ Brewer. Nice stop gap but I wouldnt cry a tear if he didnt get back on the floor once Amare/Shump return. Same with Sheed and his cranky ways and his 37% shooting.

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12/11/2012  4:23 PM
Starters:
C Tyson
PF Amare
SF Melo
SG Brewer
PG Felton

Bench:
PG-Kidd
SG-JR
SF-Novak
PF-KT
C-Sheed

Insurance:
PG-Prigs
SG-Shump-don't expect much until next year when brewer leaves and shump starts
C-Camby-Will contribute later in the year

Extra developing insurance:
Copeland
White

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12/11/2012  4:26 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/11/2012  4:30 PM
jrodmc wrote:Copeland doesn't even make the team? Is he getting cut to make space?
Not cut, but when at full strength, he won't make our active 13 man roster come gameday. Felton, Kidd, Pablo, J.R, Shumpert, Brewer, Melo, Novak, Stoudemire, Wallace, Thomas, Camby and Chandler all get the nod over an inexperienced 28 year old rookie such as Copeland.

jrodmc wrote:And I don't see what world KT is getting more playing time than JWhite at this point.
Then I'm not sure what world you've been watching here in 2012-2013, because Kurt Thomas has averaged 10.6 minutes per game when compared to only 5.7 minutes per game out of James White. Even last game against Denver Kurt Thomas put up 9 minutes when compared to 0 minutes out of James White. So, with all due respect... What are you talking about?

jrodmc wrote:Also relying on Camby that heavily to do anything given what we've seen so far is a bit of a stretch.
It's not a stretch, not if you've actually followed and watched Camby over his career it's not. Also, I'd expect us to split time between our trio of aging big men in Thomas, Wallace and Camby. Hardly having to "heavily rely" on Camby himself. I'm more excited for Marcus Camby's return than I am for our veteran big's such as Kurt Thomas/Rasheed Wallace. As a coaching staff and as a franchise, I believe we'll keep Marcus Camby well rested for our postseason run. He's going to provide us with a very strong backup to Tyson Chandler at our Center position come playoff basketball. He'll be huge for us moving forward. Let's not forget that Camby averaged 23 minutes per game last season during 59 games (53 starts too). Also averaged 9 boards and 1.5 blocks per game as a full-time starter last season. This was during a shortened season too, with little to no rest in between games. As a backup who's not being asked to start during a regular NBA schedule, Camby will be well rested moving forward. Can still board off the glass with the best of them. Has lots of knowledge of the Center position. Amazing I.Q on the defensive side of the ball. Just an overall solid veteran BIG. We're only 20 games into the season, it'll be foolish to over work an aging Marcus Camby this early into the season...
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12/11/2012  5:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/11/2012  5:50 PM
"Wha' Ha' Happened Was..."

NYK Mentality, your lineups make The Answer Man very happy, but you forget the immortal words of that MSG Usher who said:

"Dese guys don't do nuttin' da easy way"

Translation - We will never be at 100 full strength. It ain't that kinda party. With that said, here are 5 reality-based things to look forward to:

1. Marcus Camby bouncing off te bench for Tyson Chandler by late January

2. Pablo Prigioni as the starting lead guard by February

3. Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo on the floor at the same time... movin' and groovin'... with Jason Kidd at the controls

4. Iman Shumpert testing his knee in March, and deciding to shut it down.

5. Rasheed Wallace wins Comeback Player of The Decade

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Our roster and/or depth chart once both Shumpert and Stoudemire return...

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