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Killa4luv
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12/10/2012  11:57 AM
Let me just say this: I thought JR Smith was the most important signing of the summer.
JR is an elite athlete. He has STAR potential, and we don't even need him to be a star. We just need his scoring to be more efficient and more consistant. He only has like 4 games where he shot 50% or better and 4 more where he was above 40%. The other 12 he was shooting less than 40%

However, its important to remember that even when he is shooting poorly, he rebounds well, he gets steals, he is sometimes a good passer as well, and can clamp down on defense when we want tighten up.

But if JR can become a consistant 16-18 ppg player, we will be unstoppable.

What we need from JR, are quick decisions, get the rock and slash towards the basket, or get the rock square your shoulders and shoot it. What we dont need is dribble, driobble, dribble, fade away with a hand in your face. But if JR puts it together, and I believe with Woody he will, we r gonna be very difficult to stop. He is a guy with a super high ceiling that has not been realized.
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12/10/2012  12:08 PM
I think Tyson, Melo, Camby, and Kidd are the most important. If those four players are all healthy, we'll be fine without JR. That's not to say he's unimportant but I don't think he's one of the most important players.
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12/10/2012  12:17 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:I think Tyson, Melo, Camby, and Kidd are the most important. If those four players are all healthy, we'll be fine without JR. That's not to say he's unimportant but I don't think he's one of the most important players.

He isnt now, we've been winning and hes shot poorly in about 60% of those games. But in the playoffs, he'll have to step up. 5-19 makes it tough for us to win.
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12/10/2012  12:17 PM
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Killa4 - Mike Woodson sticks with JR for a reason. Woodson understands thet JR owns a rare skill set that includes (in order of importance to Woodson) the ability to move laterally, elevate vertically, backpedal in a defensive stance, handle the basketball in traffic, create angles that prevent his shot from being blocked and decent form on his jumpshot.

The caveat? JR has never been coached in his life. Not basketball. Life coaching. The moment Mike Woodson told JR to pull up his pants may have been the first time any pro coach stepped outside of the court and reminded him of a greater responsibility.

The ability to make adult decisions is not so automatic as choosing when to attempt a shot. However, the two are definitely related. Woodson is the Henry Higgins to JR's "Eliza."

Like Higgins, Woodson believes that details ("way to dress for practice JR") and body language ("keep your head in the game") determines a person's prospects in the NBA. Jr's, "Eliza", great ambition is to be a star in the big city, but his thick skull makes him unsuitable for such a position. Grunwald, is intrigued by the idea of passing a common role player off as a star and bets Woodson he cannot make good his boast, offering to pay for the Smith salary himself.

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12/10/2012  12:32 PM
I don't see how anything rest on JR's shoulders. The reality is that this team will need Amar'e and Melo playing at a high level to compete for a title. Thereafter, we will need Felton / Kidd / Tyson playing well. JR will continue to come off the bench and will be relied on less as the team becomes healthy.
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12/10/2012  12:43 PM
JR is one of 2 scorers we have, second after Melo and last.
So he should do what his role is - shoot the damm ball.
His efficiency is low and so he will never be a star.
But he can keep us in the game or even win one on good day.
Remember Starks... but to be like Starks JR must mature a bit more.
If he will start hurting the team he will sit and he knows this.
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12/10/2012  1:19 PM
JR's importance as a 6th man should not be underrated. Every championship team needs a 6th man of the year candidate.
If he can become more consistent I think he could win it over Terry, Crawford, Ray Allen and Kevin Martin.
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12/10/2012  2:00 PM
At this point in the season I highly doubt JR is in the conversation for 6th man of the year. Too erratic.
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12/10/2012  2:18 PM
Killa4luv wrote:Let me just say this: I thought JR Smith was the most important signing of the summer.
JR is an elite athlete. He has STAR potential, and we don't even need him to be a star. We just need his scoring to be more efficient and more consistant. He only has like 4 games where he shot 50% or better and 4 more where he was above 40%. The other 12 he was shooting less than 40%

However, its important to remember that even when he is shooting poorly, he rebounds well, he gets steals, he is sometimes a good passer as well, and can clamp down on defense when we want tighten up.

But if JR can become a consistant 16-18 ppg player, we will be unstoppable.

What we need from JR, are quick decisions, get the rock and slash towards the basket, or get the rock square your shoulders and shoot it. What we dont need is dribble, driobble, dribble, fade away with a hand in your face. But if JR puts it together, and I believe with Woody he will, we r gonna be very difficult to stop. He is a guy with a super high ceiling that has not been realized.

Last season, I would agree...But since we are so deep, I think our Championship hopes rest on Woody. JR is JR....Thats why he's been the 6th man off the bench for all or most of his career. His Basketball IQ and maturity is improving on the fly. He's already better than his Denver days, but shows flashes of his negative past.

Woody, Kidd and the rest of the vets, will help improve JR on and off the court. Which in turn could make JR potential a wild card. The luxury for Woody is that he will soon have Shump and Amari coming off the bench too. If JR isn't careful, he will find himself buried on the bench, with an undisclosed injury report, just to save face.

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12/10/2012  2:20 PM
arkrud wrote:JR is one of 2 scorers we have, second after Melo and last.
So he should do what his role is - shoot the damm ball.
His efficiency is low and so he will never be a star.
But he can keep us in the game or even win one on good day.
Remember Starks... but to be like Starks JR must mature a bit more.
If he will start hurting the team he will sit and he knows this.

Hit the nail on the head.

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12/10/2012  6:50 PM
I agree and unfortunately if Woodson continues to give JR the long leash I can definitely see him costing the Knicks big time in the playoffs. Much like last year versus the Heat
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12/10/2012  7:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/10/2012  7:28 PM
arkrud wrote:JR is one of 2 scorers we have, second after Melo and last.
So he should do what his role is - shoot the damm ball.
His efficiency is low and so he will never be a star.
But he can keep us in the game or even win one on good day.
Remember Starks... but to be like Starks JR must mature a bit more.
If he will start hurting the team he will sit and he knows this.

How is JR a better scorer than Tyson? Per 36 min, JR is giving 15 points on 14 shots and Tyson is giving 15 points on 8 shots. I think you're confounding the degree of versatility in the player's production with the actual production of the player. JR is much higher than Tyson in the former but lower in the latter.
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12/10/2012  7:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/10/2012  7:47 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:How is JR a better scorer than Tyson? Per 36 min, JR is giving 15 points on 14 shots and Tyson is giving 15 points on 8 shots. I think you're confounding the degree of versatility in the player's production with the actual production of the player. JR is much higher than Tyson in the former but lower in the latter.

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12/10/2012  8:08 PM
This post is exactly right.

If JR is shooting like crap in the playoffs, we are toast!

If Chandler is shooting like crap, he is smart enough not to shoot.

If Woody plays him while he is bricking away, ... He can't be that dumb
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12/10/2012  8:13 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:How is JR a better scorer than Tyson? Per 36 min, JR is giving 15 points on 14 shots and Tyson is giving 15 points on 8 shots. I think you're confounding the degree of versatility in the player's production with the actual production of the player. JR is much higher than Tyson in the former but lower in the latter.


I've never been able to read lips but I'm assuming you're disagreeing with my post and would rather have guys giving 15 pts on 14 than on 8 shots if they can do it with more versatility.
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12/10/2012  9:25 PM
I think what Killa4luv is saying is if opposing teams focus on the knicks other stars Amare Melo Tyson, JR would have the freedom to dominate games because of the God given ability he has.
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12/10/2012  9:29 PM
Which happaned against Miami last year and JR was godawful
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12/10/2012  9:31 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Which happaned against Miami last year and JR was godawful
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12/10/2012  9:38 PM
He admitted he partied too much last year, now Im not saying he stopped completely, but the 1st 6 games he did.
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12/10/2012  9:41 PM
JR will be held more accountable once Iman is back. If JR continues to struggle, Iman will get his minutes. Also, Amare can make up for the offense in the second unit. We have plenty of options. If Camby can return and improve our rebounding and shot blocking we will be good to go.
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