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gunsnewing
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11/23/2012  11:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/23/2012  11:14 PM
This team gets rattled very easily and Melo and Tyson lead the way. Kidd is not happy watching the post game. Too much complaining to the officials and losing focus on defense. Knowing Woodson he will put up with bad shooting nights but not lack of defensive focus and intensity
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11/23/2012  11:15 PM
gunsnewing wrote:This team gets rattled very easily and Melo and Tyson lead the way. Kidd is not happy watching the post game

I agree. For all of the growth in melo's game, he is quick to lose his composure when things aren't going his way.

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11/24/2012  2:34 AM
Let someone punch you in the face while a cop is watching and then when you look for him to detain the perpetrator he lets the perpetrator get away, thats whats we're dealing with
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11/24/2012  4:53 AM
I agree that of late he has lost his composure and if he's going to be a leader on this team, he will need to control his emotions and learn from what has happened in these last 3 losses. I refuse to blame him for being mad at the no-calls, especially when they are frequent and sometimes flagrant like that Kaman committed in Dallas, but I do feel he needs to learn that he can't argue and work the refs when the time is still running. It makes a bad situation worse.

LBJ complains about every non-call and fouls he catches too but his body language when speaking with the refs most times is calm and often he nods his head and acknowledges the ref in some way. I've noticed this often and Melo should reconsider his approach.

In the Spurs game, when it started to look like we would be blown out, Woody called a time out w/ 7 or 8 mins to go. According to their postgame comments, everyone had lost their composure. Woody was yelling, Tyson was yelling back and everyone was talking at once. In that situation, it was Melo that got everyone to calm down, relax and focus. We need Melo to channel that.

Again, I don't blame him for being upset when getting beaten up by bigger guys and not getting the calls he deserves (not talking about superstar calls, just fair, legit fouls). I hate flopping so I respect that Melo doesn't do it but when you play honest and work hard and still don't get rewarded I can understand how that could be frustrating. I think he just needs to learn HOW to argue the calls and work the refs in a way that would make them sympathize with him rather than being defensive because they are being shown up and also not letting the other team score easily as a result.

Obviously they're not allowed to call out the refs but when something like the Kaman punch happens with a no-call, I'd say that would be a good reason to pay a fine to point something like that out. Dolan's got the $$.

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11/24/2012  4:57 AM
I also think it's not just a Melo thing because I remember during Linsanity how often Lin also got killed and resulted in no-calls. Lin was also bloodied practically every game too. Although Lin didn't argue much, he still didn't get the calls. It seems to be a Knicks thing.
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11/24/2012  7:48 AM
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11/24/2012  9:13 AM
GodNa7ion wrote:Let someone punch you in the face while a cop is watching and then when you look for him to detain the perpetrator he lets the perpetrator get away, thats whats we're dealing with

+1

Melo is getting crushed on plays and not getting calls. However, He's going to need to deal with it as getting t'd up every game is going to get him suspended.

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11/24/2012  9:48 AM
The bigger problem is that it's happening while the game is still being played. By all means, they should be talking to the refs to get them to call a fair game but you can't allow 5 on 4's throughout the game.
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11/24/2012  10:13 AM
GodNa7ion wrote:Let someone punch you in the face while a cop is watching and then when you look for him to detain the perpetrator he lets the perpetrator get away, thats whats we're dealing with

melo and his fans need to stop complaining.

1) jordan was butchered by isaiah thomas and those pistons teams and you never heard a peep... he calmly went about his business.
2) there has always been a pattern of refs swallowing whistles in order to ensure that an alleged superstar earns his superstar status. there have been exceptions, of course, like when series are fixed such as the d-whistle series. if melo wants respect he will have to earn it and perhaps he should consider using some of his considerable communication/negotiation skills.
3) like any soopastah offensive player he gets away with plenty of his own offensive shenanigans to get his points (often at the expense of offensive cohesion as we have seen lately)-- surely he knows this-- so it equals out. that he doesn't see this as equaling out is his own damned problem. dude is too easily infatuated with himself.

melo and his fans should stop complaining.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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11/24/2012  10:17 AM
dk7th wrote:
GodNa7ion wrote:Let someone punch you in the face while a cop is watching and then when you look for him to detain the perpetrator he lets the perpetrator get away, thats whats we're dealing with

melo and his fans need to stop complaining.

1) jordan was butchered by isaiah thomas and those pistons teams and you never heard a peep... he calmly went about his business.
2) there has always been a pattern of refs swallowing whistles in order to ensure that an alleged superstar earns his superstar status. there have been exceptions, of course, like when series are fixed such as the d-whistle series. if melo wants respect he will have to earn it and perhaps he should consider using some of his considerable communication/negotiation skills.
3) like any soopastah offensive player he gets away with plenty of his own offensive shenanigans to get his points (often at the expense of offensive cohesion as we have seen lately)-- surely he knows this-- so it equals out. that he doesn't see this as equaling out is his own damned problem. dude is too easily infatuated with himself.

melo and his fans should stop complaining.

Melo and his fans? Knick fans are complaining about a Knick not getting calls....

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11/24/2012  10:21 AM
See while I don't like Melo losing his composure and not getting back on D I understand why he is upset. I have no idea why Chandler losing his cool. Chandler and Brewer should thank Melo for his melt down in the 2nd half because it takes the focus off of their poor defensive performance.
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11/24/2012  10:31 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:See while I don't like Melo losing his composure and not getting back on D I understand why he is upset. I have no idea why Chandler losing his cool. Chandler and Brewer should thank Melo for his melt down in the 2nd half because it takes the focus off of their poor defensive performance.

Melo was definitely in the wrong for doing what he did. No excuses for turning your back on the play to atgue with the ref. Chandler, on the other hand, has a history of losing his cool and not only arguing with refs but throwing 'bows and handing out cheap shots to the opposition. He did this last year aswell....

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11/24/2012  10:38 AM
dk7th wrote:
GodNa7ion wrote:Let someone punch you in the face while a cop is watching and then when you look for him to detain the perpetrator he lets the perpetrator get away, thats whats we're dealing with

melo and his fans need to stop complaining.

1) jordan was butchered by isaiah thomas and those pistons teams and you never heard a peep... he calmly went about his business.
2) there has always been a pattern of refs swallowing whistles in order to ensure that an alleged superstar earns his superstar status. there have been exceptions, of course, like when series are fixed such as the d-whistle series. if melo wants respect he will have to earn it and perhaps he should consider using some of his considerable communication/negotiation skills.
3) like any soopastah offensive player he gets away with plenty of his own offensive shenanigans to get his points (often at the expense of offensive cohesion as we have seen lately)-- surely he knows this-- so it equals out. that he doesn't see this as equaling out is his own damned problem. dude is too easily infatuated with himself.

melo and his fans should stop complaining.

different era and it went both ways

James Harden shot more free throws than our entire team and its the whole team who gets no calls, JR gets hacked, Chandler has bigs climbing on his back, our guys cant even box out without getting a foul called on them

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11/24/2012  10:47 AM
GodNa7ion wrote:
dk7th wrote:
GodNa7ion wrote:Let someone punch you in the face while a cop is watching and then when you look for him to detain the perpetrator he lets the perpetrator get away, thats whats we're dealing with

melo and his fans need to stop complaining.

1) jordan was butchered by isaiah thomas and those pistons teams and you never heard a peep... he calmly went about his business.
2) there has always been a pattern of refs swallowing whistles in order to ensure that an alleged superstar earns his superstar status. there have been exceptions, of course, like when series are fixed such as the d-whistle series. if melo wants respect he will have to earn it and perhaps he should consider using some of his considerable communication/negotiation skills.
3) like any soopastah offensive player he gets away with plenty of his own offensive shenanigans to get his points (often at the expense of offensive cohesion as we have seen lately)-- surely he knows this-- so it equals out. that he doesn't see this as equaling out is his own damned problem. dude is too easily infatuated with himself.

melo and his fans should stop complaining.

different era and it went both ways

James Harden shot more free throws than our entire team and its the whole team who gets no calls, JR gets hacked, Chandler has bigs climbing on his back, our guys cant even box out without getting a foul called on them

as is the case with melo, the knicks are going to have to earn the respect from the refs they already feel entitled to. why should they feel entitled? they have been a joke for the entire century.

"but that's not fair!"

it's the real politik of the NBA and has been around forever.

and i don't know what you mean it went both ways.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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11/24/2012  11:01 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/24/2012  11:36 AM
the reason harden gets those calls is because he takes an extra dribble and doesn't bull his way to the basket. the kid has guile and savvy that is superior to most other scorers, including carmelo anthony. melo needs to expand his game to included more guile and savvy. and if he can't then he will not get the call he thinks he deserves.

by the way, did anyone notice how rarely harden's defenders overplayed his left?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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11/24/2012  11:13 AM
Knicks were to focused on stopping Lin and not Houston.
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11/24/2012  11:47 AM
Hahn is hosting on espn radio said Melo hasn't been getting to the line enough as a Knick like he in Denver and it has to change if he is truly a changed player this year
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11/24/2012  11:56 AM
What is Melo going to do, play with a whistle in his mouth and call his own fouls??? The guy is taking fourth quarter elbows to the face and not getting calls, what else is their???
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11/24/2012  12:02 PM
Anji wrote:What is Melo going to do, play with a whistle in his mouth and call his own fouls??? The guy is taking fourth quarter elbows to the face and not getting calls, what else is their???

Agreed. While he is jacking up the 3-ball, he has balanced that with taking it to the rack with gusto. Refs have been very inconsistent this year all across the league....

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11/24/2012  12:10 PM
I've been hearing that the refs have consistently avoided making those calls around the league
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