tkf wrote:

grillco wrote:Another non-call for Melo...kind of a BS game in the end. I know it's foolish and tin-foil hatty, but it's almost as if the league wanted them to lose. I realize it was bad luck and not playing the D that got them to 8-1, but there were too many bad calls at pivotal moments to not at least be pissed about.

I noticed the league is now allowing more physical play it seems, we can't complain because we are benefiting from it.. the reach a lot.. a lot, and we are getting away with a lot of whacking... so it has helped us.. it may hurt carmelo and his numbers which is more reason for him to adjust his game, this throwing elbows and running guys over is not going to work... so while it may hurt him, it is helping our defense and the most important thing is, that the knicks benefit.. right?

Papabear Says

TKF-- Ha Ha I figured you would say something like that. Well It ain't so! You are just trying to bash Melo in a so called nice way but we know what you are. A Melo hater. You can't hide it with those words. LOL The game haven't changed.

3G4G wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:Melo should have went to the hole to draw the foul but he isn't getting the calls so what can I say

THIS is why it does matter that the refs are not giving Melo fouls when he's clearly being abused. No other star player can get so much as a finger nail on their body and not get a foul call, but Melo? You have to damn near kill him to get a call. It's just not right. It's been going on for years now since he's been here. It's like being a Knicks automatically allows teams to kill our star players at will.

Melo has developed the Bully Ball reputation you don't think that follows him as a player?

Papabear Says

What about Wade who you can't touch, What about LeBron. Damit! Stop hating on Melo. This reminds me of what Ewing went through.

gunsnewing wrote:stupid possession

I was at a bar and wanted them to run pick nd roll with Felton and Chnadler using Anthony as a decoy. They knew it was moving 2 Anthony and CA doesnt give the ball up--and in this case had no chance with time running down. Good game but would always like to win thee types. Our D was the worst all year if we shoot.

DALLAS — Coach Mike Woodson decided to go against his normal plan. He reduced his rotation to eight players and his Knicks looked tired on the second night of a back-to-back in Wednesday night’s 114-111 loss in Dallas.

Woodson played eight guys, meaning point guard Pablo Prigioni, Marcus Camby and even Kurt Thomas didn’t see the Dallas court. It was the first time Prigioni did not play this season, and it continued Camby’s perplexing usage.

Woodson admitted it wasn’t the right call.

“I was trying to go for the sure win and not that I don’t do that every time, but I narrowed the lineup knowing we had a day off for Thanksgiving,’’ Woodson said. “But it somewhat backfired. Bad coaching. We’ll figure it out next game.’’

The Knicks’ biggest strength is its depth but instead he used Carmelo Anthony for 40:35 and he didn’t shine in the fourth. He played Raymond Felton 39:17 and Jason Kidd went 35:46. JR Smith played 32:10.

dk7th wrote:the law of averages and human nature dictate that players and coaches will regress unless correctives are put in place.

at least woodson owned his mistakes. carmelo sort of did as well. and kidd called out the team for not moving the ball, too.

as i have been saying, anthony needs to expand his game-- more fakes on drives in order to lead to up and unders, so that the refs have no choice but to call fouls. if you see carter coming what's with the circus shot? that's when you use a ball fake and draw the foul. alan hahn protested after the game that he just doesn't understand why melo does not get "those calls." come on, hahn!

Were there times when the offense got stagnant and the ball didn't move much? Yes. But thats not why we last the game. When you give up 114 pts on the road, your probably gonna lose 10 times out of 10. Defense or lack there of contributed to the loss. Not to mention, Dallas caught fire in the 3rd and most of the 4th. Mayo, Carter and even Crowder were hitting tough shots. Its okay to give the opposition some credit sometimes.

Uptown wrote:

dk7th wrote:the law of averages and human nature dictate that players and coaches will regress unless correctives are put in place.

at least woodson owned his mistakes. carmelo sort of did as well. and kidd called out the team for not moving the ball, too.

as i have been saying, anthony needs to expand his game-- more fakes on drives in order to lead to up and unders, so that the refs have no choice but to call fouls. if you see carter coming what's with the circus shot? that's when you use a ball fake and draw the foul. alan hahn protested after the game that he just doesn't understand why melo does not get "those calls." come on, hahn!

Were there times when the offense got stagnant and the ball didn't move much? Yes. But thats not why we last the game. When you give up 114 pts on the road, your probably gonna lose 10 times out of 10. Defense or lack there of contributed to the loss. Not to mention, Dallas caught fire in the 3rd and most of the 4th. Mayo, Carter and even Crowder were hitting tough shots. Its okay to give the opposition some credit sometimes.

crowders threes were demoralizing. but yes if you want to be a good road team you have to play defense and to his credit woodson admitted the loss was on him for not using the bench depth to harass an undermanned (no dirk) mav squad. my philosophy is you must put more energy into defense... and the offense will sort itself out. don't know what woodson was thinking here. maybe he was seeing how well-conditioned his tighter rotation is with an eye to the playoffs. he got his answer. not really a bad loss when you look at it that way.

Papabear wrote:

3G4G wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:Melo should have went to the hole to draw the foul but he isn't getting the calls so what can I say

THIS is why it does matter that the refs are not giving Melo fouls when he's clearly being abused. No other star player can get so much as a finger nail on their body and not get a foul call, but Melo? You have to damn near kill him to get a call. It's just not right. It's been going on for years now since he's been here. It's like being a Knicks automatically allows teams to kill our star players at will.

Melo has developed the Bully Ball reputation you don't think that follows him as a player?

Papabear Says

What about Wade who you can't touch, What about LeBron. Damit! Stop hating on Melo. This reminds me of what Ewing went through.

ewing was loved for years... he earned that with hard work and winning here.. please don't soil Ewings name comparing his time here to what carmelo is going through.. please stop!!!!!!!

tkf wrote:

Papabear wrote:

3G4G wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:Melo should have went to the hole to draw the foul but he isn't getting the calls so what can I say

THIS is why it does matter that the refs are not giving Melo fouls when he's clearly being abused. No other star player can get so much as a finger nail on their body and not get a foul call, but Melo? You have to damn near kill him to get a call. It's just not right. It's been going on for years now since he's been here. It's like being a Knicks automatically allows teams to kill our star players at will.

Melo has developed the Bully Ball reputation you don't think that follows him as a player?

Papabear Says

What about Wade who you can't touch, What about LeBron. Damit! Stop hating on Melo. This reminds me of what Ewing went through.

ewing was loved for years... he earned that with hard work and winning here.. please don't soil Ewings name comparing his time here to what carmelo is going through.. please stop!!!!!!!

People were hating Ewing before this forum arrived. I am talking about Ewing never getting the respect he deserved. thats why he is having so much trouble getting a head coach job. You TKF just can't stand Melo but I will tell you one thing we don't win a championship with out him. And you can bank on that. TKF try this excercise. I luv Melo I Luv Melo and say it 500 times. Also in your sleep.

dk7th wrote:my thing about the offense, specifically jacking up shots, has to do with bad habits primarily but also conditioning issues. i hate it when smith and anthony either jack up shots like they are ready to spooge, but i also think that when they do so sometimes it is also from fatigue. look at how much energy smith exerts doing his playground crap and what is the result: he's too often out of gas to get his damned legs under him. melo has his routine too where he becomes infatuated with himself and the results are predictably horrible.

it's funny because moving the ball and running pick and roll actually takes LESS energy then the isolation playground stuff.

i'd love to see chandler get more touches in the pick and roll but lets face it felton is just not up to the task of running it-- alley oops are not pick and rolls-- so we see our point guard taking an average of 15 shots a game with an anemic 51TS%. that's not going to help the knicks come playoff time.

nice surprise is wallace-- love watching him low post guys. that should help novak a bunch and i hope woodson gets them going together because he can score from there. they double him novak is probably open.

Papabear wrote:

tkf wrote:

Papabear wrote:

3G4G wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:Melo should have went to the hole to draw the foul but he isn't getting the calls so what can I say

THIS is why it does matter that the refs are not giving Melo fouls when he's clearly being abused. No other star player can get so much as a finger nail on their body and not get a foul call, but Melo? You have to damn near kill him to get a call. It's just not right. It's been going on for years now since he's been here. It's like being a Knicks automatically allows teams to kill our star players at will.

Melo has developed the Bully Ball reputation you don't think that follows him as a player?

Papabear Says

What about Wade who you can't touch, What about LeBron. Damit! Stop hating on Melo. This reminds me of what Ewing went through.

ewing was loved for years... he earned that with hard work and winning here.. please don't soil Ewings name comparing his time here to what carmelo is going through.. please stop!!!!!!!

Papabear Says

People were hating Ewing before this forum arrived. I am talking about Ewing never getting the respect he deserved. thats why he is having so much trouble getting a head coach job. You TKF just can't stand Melo but I will tell you one thing we don't win a championship with out him. And you can bank on that. TKF try this excercise. I luv Melo I Luv Melo and say it 500 times. Also in your sleep.

you act as if we won one with him.....

And I am not sure who was hating on Ewing.. for the most part he was loved.. after so many years with the knicks you got the typical NY who feels they are entitled to a ring and of course ewing felt some backlash for those championship promises. other than that, he was loved and well respected.

As to why he is having a problem getting a head coaching job... how do you know what the problem is?