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Miami Heat like the Chicago Bulls in the '90s, stand in the Knicks way of winning an NBA Champions
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mattshaw78
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11/14/2012  6:13 AM
“I love the 90’s” is the motto of every long suffering Knicks fan who has seen mostly losing basketball over the past decade and has celebrated just one lousy playoff victory.

Patrick Ewing’s legend is growing as long as his wingspan the more post-Ewing Knicks trip over themselves. A return to the glory days of the 90’s, when the Knicks twice reached the NBA Finals and were a perennially contender for eight years, would be a welcomed change.

But here’s the rub. The Knicks could have their best season in 12 years and it likely won’t be enough because they are about to run into the same problem the 90’s Knicks often faced; there is always somebody better.

Michael Jordan and the Bulls, of course, dominated the 90’s by winning six NBA titles. When Jordan briefly retired to attempt to hit a minor league curveball, Hakeem Olajuwon was suddenly in his prime and won back-to-back titles with the Houston Rockets, including a grueling seven game series against Ewing’s Knicks in 1994. By the end of the decade, Jordan was gone and in his place emerged Tim Duncan and the San Antonio Spurs.

Today, the dominant force standing in the Knicks way is LeBron James and the Miami Heat. The Knicks opened the 2012-13 season on Friday against the defending NBA champs and with the understanding that all roads to a title pass through South Beach.

“They’re a great team,” says Knicks head coach Mike Woodson. “We’re a team that’s trying to get to where they were a year ago and that’s to the title round, and perhaps win the title.”

It’s unlikely for any team to make the jump from winning one playoff game to winning the 16 needed to lift the Lawrence O’Brien Trophy. Even LeBron has gone through growing pains; swept by San Antonio when he played with Cleveland and losing to Dallas two seasons ago in his first year with Miami.

LeBron was playing with the weight of the world on his shoulders last season. He had alienated a legion of NBA fans with his televised special to announce his was taking “my talents to South Beach.” He also raised questions to whether he had the chops to win it all after disappearing in the fourth quarter against the Mavs in the final four games.

But LeBron changed the narrative of his career with a brilliant performance in both the regular season and playoffs. And that’s troubling news for the NBA and specifically the Knicks. Even Knicks center Tyson Chandler acknowledged over the summer that once LeBron captured that first title there may be no stopping him.

LeBron understands the history of the league as well as anyone and knows that in order to be mentioned in the same breath with Magic, Bird, Jordan and more recently Kobe Bryant and Duncan he needs to win multiple rings.

Miami has upgraded its roster since June by signing Ray Allen and adding Rashard Lewis. The two provide much needed perimeter scoring. They are still lacking some muscle under the basket but LeBron is a type hybrid small and power forward. He can defend multiple positions and is the league’s best two-way player.

The Knicks have a talented, albeit aging, roster. Carmelo Anthony is an elite player but not on the level of LeBron. Amar’e Stoudemire would be the best interior player on either team but there’s no telling when or if Stoudemire will be healthy again.

Twenty years after Jordan and Chicago, it is now LeBron and Miami who are the giant road block standing in the Knicks way. But if you’re looking for a silver lining perhaps this is it; LeBron also fancies himself as a baseball player. Maybe the Yankees can sign him for a couple of years.
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11/14/2012  6:23 AM
I can't agree with this thread.

This current Miami Heat team is nothing like those amazingly great Jordan led Chicago teams. LeBron is a great basketball player, even won a ring last season with the help of Wade and Bosh, but LeBron is no MJ23. He's not even close to being Jordan. Jordan was pure greatness. LeBron is nothing compared to Jordan especially during the clutch and/or presure situations.

Jordan made his teammates such as Pippen and company. He never had to team up with Stockton and Ewing in order to win championship after championship. Stockton, Jordan and Ewing? Wouldn't have been fair for the rest of the league.

Lets see if this Miami Heat team can eliminate us during 4 postseasons before ever comparing them to those Chicago teams who held us back. This Heat team isn't even on the level of a Reggie Miller led Pacers team yet. Wake me up when Miami eliminates us year after year, then we can talk 90's.

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11/14/2012  6:27 AM
NYKMentality wrote:I can't agree with this thread.

This current Miami Heat team is nothing like those amazingly great Jordan led Chicago teams. LeBron is a great basketball player, even won a ring last season with the help of Wade and Bosh, but LeBron is no MJ23. He's not even close to being Jordan. Jordan was pure greatness. LeBron is nothing compared to Jordan especially during the clutch and/or presure situations.

Jordan made his teammates such as Pippen and company. He never had to team up with Stockton and Ewing in order to win championship after championship. Stockton, Jordan and Ewing? Wouldn't have been fair for the rest of the league.

Lets see if this Miami Heat team can eliminate us during 4 postseasons before ever comparing them to those Chicago teams who held us back. This Heat team isn't even on the level of a Reggie Miller led Pacers team yet. Wake me up when Miami eliminates us year after year, then we can talk 90's.


I agreed with you until your Pacers comment.
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11/14/2012  6:42 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:I can't agree with this thread.

This current Miami Heat team is nothing like those amazingly great Jordan led Chicago teams. LeBron is a great basketball player, even won a ring last season with the help of Wade and Bosh, but LeBron is no MJ23. He's not even close to being Jordan. Jordan was pure greatness. LeBron is nothing compared to Jordan especially during the clutch and/or presure situations.

Jordan made his teammates such as Pippen and company. He never had to team up with Stockton and Ewing in order to win championship after championship. Stockton, Jordan and Ewing? Wouldn't have been fair for the rest of the league.

Lets see if this Miami Heat team can eliminate us during 4 postseasons before ever comparing them to those Chicago teams who held us back. This Heat team isn't even on the level of a Reggie Miller led Pacers team yet. Wake me up when Miami eliminates us year after year, then we can talk 90's.


I agreed with you until your Pacers comment.

You don't remember how great those Pacer teams were? We went to war against those Indy boys. 3-3 during 6 postseaon battles. Indy eliminated us during two conference semifinals and they also eliminated us during the conference finals. During one of those conference semifinal defeats, they murdered us 4-1.

LeBron James and the Miami Heat are 1-0 against a very weak Knicks team (of last year). Still not on the level of the Pacers of the 90's in regards to keeping us from rings. Those Pacer teams eliminated us three times and even murdered us during one of those series. We returned the favor, eliminating Indy 3 times but still, I do not fear LeBron and the Heat like I did Jordan and the Bulls and/or Miller and the Pacers.

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11/14/2012  7:43 AM
In hindsight we can look back at the Bulls Dynasty as a complete body of work.

Miami, no matter how they were constructed have been to the finals twice in its first two years. Lebron is the same age as Jordan was when he won his first.

I think in the age of the new CBA I doubt we see a 8 year type dynasty with any team based on the financial structure. If anyone, OKC could be the future success model.

Knicks found value in Novak, Lin and JR smith much in the way we got Starks and Mase back in the day.

Miami, like any team is vulnerable to injury. Our problem lies not so much Miami but we have a defective max player in Amare. If he can go on an extended time at his peak we are awesome in our own right! If we can get him going for the last 40 or so games and into the playoffs then we have a good chance.

Its November. Long way to go!

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11/14/2012  7:49 AM
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Bonn1997 wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:I can't agree with this thread.

This current Miami Heat team is nothing like those amazingly great Jordan led Chicago teams. LeBron is a great basketball player, even won a ring last season with the help of Wade and Bosh, but LeBron is no MJ23. He's not even close to being Jordan. Jordan was pure greatness. LeBron is nothing compared to Jordan especially during the clutch and/or presure situations.

Jordan made his teammates such as Pippen and company. He never had to team up with Stockton and Ewing in order to win championship after championship. Stockton, Jordan and Ewing? Wouldn't have been fair for the rest of the league.

Lets see if this Miami Heat team can eliminate us during 4 postseasons before ever comparing them to those Chicago teams who held us back. This Heat team isn't even on the level of a Reggie Miller led Pacers team yet. Wake me up when Miami eliminates us year after year, then we can talk 90's.


I agreed with you until your Pacers comment.

You don't remember how great those Pacer teams were? We went to war against those Indy boys. 3-3 during 6 postseaon battles. Indy eliminated us during two conference semifinals and they also eliminated us during the conference finals. During one of those conference semifinal defeats, they murdered us 4-1.

LeBron James and the Miami Heat are 1-0 against a very weak Knicks team (of last year). Still not on the level of the Pacers of the 90's in regards to keeping us from rings. Those Pacer teams eliminated us three times and even murdered us during one of those series. We returned the favor, eliminating Indy 3 times but still, I do not fear LeBron and the Heat like I did Jordan and the Bulls and/or Miller and the Pacers.


In two seasons, Miami's worst performance has been a 6 game NBA Finals loss. That ties the best performance Indiana ever put together. Even if Miami doesn't achieve anything again with their threesome, history will judge them more favorably than the 90s Knicks or Pacers.
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11/14/2012  8:57 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/14/2012  8:58 AM
Miami may not be Chicago of the 90's, and Lebron not MJ, but the road to the NBA Finals does indeed go through South Beach.

Like the 90's Knicks team facing Chicago all these years, all we need is an opportunity to face Miami with a healthy roster, preferably in the later rounds unlike last season, and give it our best shot.

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11/14/2012  9:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/14/2012  9:17 AM
It's what happens when you don't draft guys like Dwayne Wade and draft guys like Frye, Gallo, Hill instead.

Beating the Heat is a lot more realistic than beating Jordan in the Bulls tho

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11/14/2012  10:30 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/14/2012  10:33 AM
Lets not get crazy. the heat are a great team however the 90s bulls were pretty much unbeatable. the 90's knicks would have won 3 or 4 titles if it wasnt for the bulls. i would take Jordan/Pippen over Lebron/Wade and the bulls also had much more size and depth than the 2012 heat
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11/14/2012  10:36 AM
NYKMentality wrote:I can't agree with this thread.

This current Miami Heat team is nothing like those amazingly great Jordan led Chicago teams. LeBron is a great basketball player, even won a ring last season with the help of Wade and Bosh, but LeBron is no MJ23. He's not even close to being Jordan. Jordan was pure greatness. LeBron is nothing compared to Jordan especially during the clutch and/or presure situations.

Jordan made his teammates such as Pippen and company. He never had to team up with Stockton and Ewing in order to win championship after championship. Stockton, Jordan and Ewing? Wouldn't have been fair for the rest of the league.

Lets see if this Miami Heat team can eliminate us during 4 postseasons before ever comparing them to those Chicago teams who held us back. This Heat team isn't even on the level of a Reggie Miller led Pacers team yet. Wake me up when Miami eliminates us year after year, then we can talk 90's.

it is all relative... the heat are similar, they have the best player in the league, and arguable another top 10 player in wade.. easy... No they are not the bulls, but these knicks are not the 90's knicks either, not as good, and neither are these pacers the 90's pacers, the cavs are not the 90's cavs, and we can go on and on..

But I will say miami isn't our only problem, Boston stands in our way as well and probably poses a huge threat to the heat... I can see where he was going with this article, and while you can nitpick that lebron is not MJ, he is the best there is in the league and other than durant and maybe kobe.. it is not even close....

this is what we have to deal with until proven otherwise..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/14/2012  10:39 AM
tkf wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:I can't agree with this thread.

This current Miami Heat team is nothing like those amazingly great Jordan led Chicago teams. LeBron is a great basketball player, even won a ring last season with the help of Wade and Bosh, but LeBron is no MJ23. He's not even close to being Jordan. Jordan was pure greatness. LeBron is nothing compared to Jordan especially during the clutch and/or presure situations.

Jordan made his teammates such as Pippen and company. He never had to team up with Stockton and Ewing in order to win championship after championship. Stockton, Jordan and Ewing? Wouldn't have been fair for the rest of the league.

Lets see if this Miami Heat team can eliminate us during 4 postseasons before ever comparing them to those Chicago teams who held us back. This Heat team isn't even on the level of a Reggie Miller led Pacers team yet. Wake me up when Miami eliminates us year after year, then we can talk 90's.

it is all relative... the heat are similar, they have the best player in the league, and arguable another top 10 player in wade.. easy... No they are not the bulls, but these knicks are not the 90's knicks either, not as good, and neither are these pacers the 90's pacers, the cavs are not the 90's cavs, and we can go on and on..

But I will say miami isn't our only problem, Boston stands in our way as well and probably poses a huge threat to the heat... I can see where he was going with this article, and while you can nitpick that lebron is not MJ, he is the best there is in the league and other than durant and maybe kobe.. it is not even close....

this is what we have to deal with until proven otherwise..

The Knicks team we have can beat miami IF healthy. last year's playoffs doesnt count because we had no point guard and we were decimated by injuries.

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11/14/2012  10:40 AM
gunsnewing wrote:It's what happens when you don't draft guys like Dwayne Wade and draft guys like Frye, Gallo, Hill instead.

Beating the Heat is a lot more realistic than beating Jordan in the Bulls tho

true, but that is the draft and often you can't help where you draft or how players turn out.. but this is what happens when you overpay for amare instead of signing a shaq.. or trading for a carmelo instead of a chris paul.... there are a lot of what if's here...... even with drafting gallo, hill and frye, and even with signing amare, and making that trade for melo.. jeez.. knicks had their chance to set this team up to really compete long term... You have to have a cohesive management group to do that.. we also had years of Isiah and constant meddling of dolan.. what do you really expect..

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11/14/2012  10:43 AM
IrishKnickFan wrote:Lets not get crazy. the heat are a great team however the 90s bulls were pretty much unbeatable. the 90's knicks would have won 3 or 4 titles if it wasnt for the bulls. i would take Jordan/Pippen over Lebron/Wade and the bulls also had much more size and depth than the 2012 heat

well 3 or 4 titles is getting a bit crazy, don't you think? I would like to feel we would have at least won one title,. which i am pretty confident in that.. but the bulls faced a laker team, I am not sure we would have beaten, portland with Drexler and crew were no walkover... Barkley and the suns were tough as well as the jazz with stockton and malone.. heck we went to the finals and lost to hakeem, and the rockets... there were some great, great players and teams that would have probably won a ring or two as well if not for jordan...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/14/2012  10:44 AM
Miami is definitely not the 90s Bulls, but the comparison isn't far off because this team isn't the 90's Knicks. The game isn't even the same. It's all relative. Miami has the best player in the game along with 2 great supporting stars. It seems that we're becoming a defensive team with some good shooters. I can see Miami beating us in a tough 6-7 game seried down the road. But 5 games in you can't really say much with confidence.

Let's not fool ourselves. Miami is a great team. Right now I would sign up for getting to the conference finals. If we are 20-5 after 25 games my expectations will certainly rise.

This has been so much fun thorugh 5 games. I'm nervous about how we come out against San Antonio.

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11/14/2012  10:45 AM
IrishKnickFan wrote:
tkf wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:I can't agree with this thread.

This current Miami Heat team is nothing like those amazingly great Jordan led Chicago teams. LeBron is a great basketball player, even won a ring last season with the help of Wade and Bosh, but LeBron is no MJ23. He's not even close to being Jordan. Jordan was pure greatness. LeBron is nothing compared to Jordan especially during the clutch and/or presure situations.

Jordan made his teammates such as Pippen and company. He never had to team up with Stockton and Ewing in order to win championship after championship. Stockton, Jordan and Ewing? Wouldn't have been fair for the rest of the league.

Lets see if this Miami Heat team can eliminate us during 4 postseasons before ever comparing them to those Chicago teams who held us back. This Heat team isn't even on the level of a Reggie Miller led Pacers team yet. Wake me up when Miami eliminates us year after year, then we can talk 90's.

it is all relative... the heat are similar, they have the best player in the league, and arguable another top 10 player in wade.. easy... No they are not the bulls, but these knicks are not the 90's knicks either, not as good, and neither are these pacers the 90's pacers, the cavs are not the 90's cavs, and we can go on and on..

But I will say miami isn't our only problem, Boston stands in our way as well and probably poses a huge threat to the heat... I can see where he was going with this article, and while you can nitpick that lebron is not MJ, he is the best there is in the league and other than durant and maybe kobe.. it is not even close....

this is what we have to deal with until proven otherwise..

The Knicks team we have can beat miami IF healthy. last year's playoffs doesnt count because we had no point guard and we were decimated by injuries.

ok man... if you believe that, fine.. then IF HEALTHY, nothing less than a ring should be acceptable, right? remember the heat were not that healthy either.. wade was playing on bad wheels and bosh was coming back off injury, they also added ray allen, and lewis.. they are not the same heat team bro...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/14/2012  10:45 AM
MSG3 wrote:Miami is definitely not the 90s Bulls, but the comparison isn't far off because this team isn't the 90's Knicks. The game isn't even the same. It's all relative. Miami has the best player in the game along with 2 great supporting stars. It seems that we're becoming a defensive team with some good shooters. I can see Miami beating us in a tough 6-7 game seried down the road. But 5 games in you can't really say much with confidence.

Let's not fool ourselves. Miami is a great team. Right now I would sign up for getting to the conference finals. If we are 20-5 after 25 games my expectations will certainly rise.

This has been so much fun thorugh 5 games. I'm nervous about how we come out against San Antonio.


LOL.. I thought I was reading my own post when I read the first sentence of yours.. haha

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/14/2012  10:47 AM
IrishKnickFan wrote:Lets not get crazy. the heat are a great team however the 90s bulls were pretty much unbeatable. the 90's knicks would have won 3 or 4 titles if it wasnt for the bulls. i would take Jordan/Pippen over Lebron/Wade and the bulls also had much more size and depth than the 2012 heat

No one's comparing the Heat to the Bulls. NYKMentality and I were comparing the Knicks and Pacers of the 90s to the Heat. Would you take Ewing and Starks over Lebron and Wade?
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11/14/2012  10:48 AM
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MSG3 wrote:Miami is definitely not the 90s Bulls, but the comparison isn't far off because this team isn't the 90's Knicks. The game isn't even the same. It's all relative. Miami has the best player in the game along with 2 great supporting stars. It seems that we're becoming a defensive team with some good shooters. I can see Miami beating us in a tough 6-7 game seried down the road. But 5 games in you can't really say much with confidence.

Let's not fool ourselves. Miami is a great team. Right now I would sign up for getting to the conference finals. If we are 20-5 after 25 games my expectations will certainly rise.

This has been so much fun thorugh 5 games. I'm nervous about how we come out against San Antonio.


LOL.. I thought I was reading my own post when I read the first sentence of yours.. haha

Oh wow you're right. My bad I didn't read your post.

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11/14/2012  11:13 AM
MSG3 wrote:
tkf wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Miami is definitely not the 90s Bulls, but the comparison isn't far off because this team isn't the 90's Knicks. The game isn't even the same. It's all relative. Miami has the best player in the game along with 2 great supporting stars. It seems that we're becoming a defensive team with some good shooters. I can see Miami beating us in a tough 6-7 game seried down the road. But 5 games in you can't really say much with confidence.

Let's not fool ourselves. Miami is a great team. Right now I would sign up for getting to the conference finals. If we are 20-5 after 25 games my expectations will certainly rise.

This has been so much fun thorugh 5 games. I'm nervous about how we come out against San Antonio.


LOL.. I thought I was reading my own post when I read the first sentence of yours.. haha

Oh wow you're right. My bad I didn't read your post.

great minds think alike....

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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