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Knixkik
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11/6/2012  10:35 AM
There has been a lot of questions about Melo's status as a star, can we build around him, etc. For those who like Melo, this is why. He doesn't need to play with other star players. All he needs is a bunch of shooters and defenders around him who can play to his strengths and help cover his weaknesses. If everyone on the floor, with the exception of Chandler (the center position) is a passable to great shooter and above average to great defender, you can build a championship team with him as your best player. Felton, Kidd, Brewer have all proven to be passable outside shooters, make sound decisions, pass well, defend well, and give Melo space to operate. Chandler is the presence down low who makes it easier to play smaller and have Melo at PF without sacrificing any size. Knicks should continue to look where to add solid role players who can shoot and defend, and if they can do that we can go very far with this formula.
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11/6/2012  10:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/6/2012  10:43 AM
it is 3 games.. melo has won before in denver.. regular season that is.. the question remains, is is championship worth, heck is it get out of the first round worth? so far it hasn't been for 8 out of 9 seasons....

do you think 3 games is enough to draw such conclusions, or maybe we should just wait just a tad bit more?....

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/6/2012  10:45 AM
fail. Swap Melo with Iggy, Gallo, Paul Pierce... any good 3 and we are still 3-0

Im glad we are winning games rather than losing but we spanked Phili who doesnt have their franchise player and the Heat who didnt want to be there.

Let just be realistic

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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11/6/2012  10:47 AM
fishmike wrote:fail. Swap Melo with Iggy, Gallo, Paul Pierce... any good 3 and we are still 3-0

Im glad we are winning games rather than losing but we spanked Phili who doesnt have their franchise player and the Heat who didnt want to be there.

Let just be realistic

Hey fishmike, I thought Amare was the best player on the Knicks???

Don't you mean the Knicks won without their franchise player?

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11/6/2012  10:48 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
fishmike wrote:fail. Swap Melo with Iggy, Gallo, Paul Pierce... any good 3 and we are still 3-0

Im glad we are winning games rather than losing but we spanked Phili who doesnt have their franchise player and the Heat who didnt want to be there.

Let just be realistic

Hey fishmike, I thought Amare was the best player on the Knicks???

Don't you mean the Knicks won without their franchise player?

he sure isn't being used that way....if this team was being built around amare and the pick and roll, i could see your point tho.. but it isn't..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/6/2012  10:57 AM
tkf wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
fishmike wrote:fail. Swap Melo with Iggy, Gallo, Paul Pierce... any good 3 and we are still 3-0

Im glad we are winning games rather than losing but we spanked Phili who doesnt have their franchise player and the Heat who didnt want to be there.

Let just be realistic

Hey fishmike, I thought Amare was the best player on the Knicks???

Don't you mean the Knicks won without their franchise player?

he sure isn't being used that way....if this team was being built around amare and the pick and roll, i could see your point tho.. but it isn't..

I'm just teasing fm, since he has topless pics of Amare on his car dashboard, and has a tattoo "STAT4LIFE" on his buttocks...JOKING!


In all seriousness, Knixkik is 100% on the money. Melo is not Lebron, but if you surround him with the right pieces, his team can make a deep a run as anyone (see 2009 WCF). Though, we still need a healthy Amare to be an offensive juggernaut in the 2nd unit, to make a legit run at the crown.
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11/6/2012  11:02 AM
tkf wrote:it is 3 games.. melo has won before in denver.. regular season that is.. the question remains, is is championship worth, heck is it get out of the first round worth? so far it hasn't been for 8 out of 9 seasons....

do you think 3 games is enough to draw such conclusions, or maybe we should just wait just a tad bit more?....

We should wait longer, but given that this is the best start in franchise history (based on record and scoring margin) i think we can draw the conclusion that this is a pretty good team. Championship worth? Probably not yet, but with the right upgrades along the way, absolutely.
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11/6/2012  11:03 AM
fishmike wrote:fail. Swap Melo with Iggy, Gallo, Paul Pierce... any good 3 and we are still 3-0

Im glad we are winning games rather than losing but we spanked Phili who doesnt have their franchise player and the Heat who didnt want to be there.

Let just be realistic

Haha you are arguing that you swap Melo with Gallo and you get the same result? The same Heat blowout? Big time fail.
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11/6/2012  11:05 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
tkf wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
fishmike wrote:fail. Swap Melo with Iggy, Gallo, Paul Pierce... any good 3 and we are still 3-0

Im glad we are winning games rather than losing but we spanked Phili who doesnt have their franchise player and the Heat who didnt want to be there.

Let just be realistic

Hey fishmike, I thought Amare was the best player on the Knicks???

Don't you mean the Knicks won without their franchise player?

he sure isn't being used that way....if this team was being built around amare and the pick and roll, i could see your point tho.. but it isn't..

I'm just teasing fm, since he has topless pics of Amare on his car dashboard, and has a tattoo "STAT4LIFE" on his buttocks...JOKING!


In all seriousness, Knixkik is 100% on the money. Melo is not Lebron, but if you surround him with the right pieces, his team can make a deep a run as anyone (see 2009 WCF). Though, we still need a healthy Amare to be an offensive juggernaut in the 2nd unit, to make a legit run at the crown.

If they can get Amare to buy into that role, this team is downright scary. Otherwise, trade him next summer for a couple of young reserve bigs.
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11/6/2012  11:07 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
tkf wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
fishmike wrote:fail. Swap Melo with Iggy, Gallo, Paul Pierce... any good 3 and we are still 3-0

Im glad we are winning games rather than losing but we spanked Phili who doesnt have their franchise player and the Heat who didnt want to be there.

Let just be realistic

Hey fishmike, I thought Amare was the best player on the Knicks???

Don't you mean the Knicks won without their franchise player?

he sure isn't being used that way....if this team was being built around amare and the pick and roll, i could see your point tho.. but it isn't..

I'm just teasing fm, since he has topless pics of Amare on his car dashboard, and has a tattoo "STAT4LIFE" on his buttocks...JOKING!


In all seriousness, Knixkik is 100% on the money. Melo is not Lebron, but if you surround him with the right pieces, his team can make a deep a run as anyone (see 2009 WCF). Though, we still need a healthy Amare to be an offensive juggernaut in the 2nd unit, to make a legit run at the crown.

oh, I get it, my bad for butting in.. LOL..


Melo is not Lebron, but if you surround him with the right pieces, his team can make a deep a run as anyone (see 2009 WCF). Though, we still need a healthy Amare to be an offensive juggernaut in the 2nd unit, to make a legit run at the crown.

I think you can make a nice deep run with any allstar talent if you give them the right pieces.. heck look at the grizzlies, who is their "star" player, they didn't have gay last year during the playoffs... I think this team would be 3-0 with any other good player right now... this is more of a team effort...

as far as amare goes, I am not sure what impact he has on this team. this is a jump shooting team and amare needs pick and roll and we still have to see how he and melo plays together.. we still have some questions to be answered... shumpert I think will seamlessly fit right in when he comes back, because he doesn't need shots and he will always defend and handle the ball..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/6/2012  11:08 AM
Knixkik wrote:
tkf wrote:it is 3 games.. melo has won before in denver.. regular season that is.. the question remains, is is championship worth, heck is it get out of the first round worth? so far it hasn't been for 8 out of 9 seasons....

do you think 3 games is enough to draw such conclusions, or maybe we should just wait just a tad bit more?....

We should wait longer, but given that this is the best start in franchise history (based on record and scoring margin) i think we can draw the conclusion that this is a pretty good team. Championship worth? Probably not yet, but with the right upgrades along the way, absolutely.

what upgrades,are you referring to?

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/6/2012  11:09 AM
Knixkik wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
tkf wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
fishmike wrote:fail. Swap Melo with Iggy, Gallo, Paul Pierce... any good 3 and we are still 3-0

Im glad we are winning games rather than losing but we spanked Phili who doesnt have their franchise player and the Heat who didnt want to be there.

Let just be realistic

Hey fishmike, I thought Amare was the best player on the Knicks???

Don't you mean the Knicks won without their franchise player?

he sure isn't being used that way....if this team was being built around amare and the pick and roll, i could see your point tho.. but it isn't..

I'm just teasing fm, since he has topless pics of Amare on his car dashboard, and has a tattoo "STAT4LIFE" on his buttocks...JOKING!


In all seriousness, Knixkik is 100% on the money. Melo is not Lebron, but if you surround him with the right pieces, his team can make a deep a run as anyone (see 2009 WCF). Though, we still need a healthy Amare to be an offensive juggernaut in the 2nd unit, to make a legit run at the crown.

If they can get Amare to buy into that role, this team is downright scary. Otherwise, trade him next summer for a couple of young reserve bigs.

I can easily see Amare beast for 17/7/1 on 55% FG off the bench with the PGs we have. If he causes a stink and wants to start, trade his ass!
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11/6/2012  11:09 AM
You build around Melo by making sure he's taking good shots and putting good players around him.
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11/6/2012  11:11 AM
I think most of you guys are going on the assumption that this team is 25-5 when amare comes back.. lets just say we are 15-15? are you still going to be all for amare coming off the bench.. again, I think most of you are way overreacting here...
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11/6/2012  11:16 AM
tkf wrote:I think most of you guys are going on the assumption that this team is 25-5 when amare comes back.. lets just say we are 15-15? are you still going to be all for amare coming off the bench.. again, I think most of you are way overreacting here...

A little over a year and half sample + playoffs = pretty big sample size

Amare, phucking up Knicks and Melo's game. At least in 2nd unit, he can feast on opposing bench bigs, and his allergy to defense can be masked by Wallace and Camby.
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11/6/2012  11:18 AM
tkf wrote:do you think 3 games is enough to draw such conclusions, or maybe we should just wait just a tad bit more?....


The rule thumb around here is that we wait and draw conclusions after 9 games before we annoint someone the King of Basketball


fishmike wrote:fail. Swap Melo with Iggy, Gallo, Paul Pierce... any good 3 and we are still 3-0

Im glad we are winning games rather than losing but we spanked Phili who doesnt have their franchise player and the Heat who didnt want to be there.

Let just be realistic

Denver is 0-3
Boston is 1-2

Those three couldn't help their OWN team (who MANY here said are better than the current OLD Knick team) to a 3-0 record but you think they can here?

fail
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11/6/2012  11:21 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/6/2012  11:23 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
tkf wrote:I think most of you guys are going on the assumption that this team is 25-5 when amare comes back.. lets just say we are 15-15? are you still going to be all for amare coming off the bench.. again, I think most of you are way overreacting here...

A little over a year and half sample + playoffs = pretty big sample size

Amare, phucking up Knicks and Melo's game. At least in 2nd unit, he can feast on opposing bench bigs, and his allergy to defense can be masked by Wallace and Camby.

well if you include the playoffs then the outlook isn't great, because we are playing to win in the playoffs right?

so I assume that you are thinking this team will be around 10-15 games over .500 when amare comes back, right? is that what you are saying? if not then we should not draw any conclusions as to where amare should be playing..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/6/2012  11:22 AM
Swishfm3 wrote:
tkf wrote:do you think 3 games is enough to draw such conclusions, or maybe we should just wait just a tad bit more?....


The rule thumb around here is that we wait and draw conclusions after 9 games before we annoint someone the King of Basketball


fishmike wrote:fail. Swap Melo with Iggy, Gallo, Paul Pierce... any good 3 and we are still 3-0

Im glad we are winning games rather than losing but we spanked Phili who doesnt have their franchise player and the Heat who didnt want to be there.

Let just be realistic

Denver is 0-3
Boston is 1-2

Those three couldn't help their OWN team (who MANY here said are better than the current OLD Knick team) to a 3-0 record but you think they can here?

fail

ok, so with that thinking lets substitute lin, or harden, or heck even vince carter.. they are 2-1 and 3-1 respectively... fair?

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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11/6/2012  11:25 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
tkf wrote:I think most of you guys are going on the assumption that this team is 25-5 when amare comes back.. lets just say we are 15-15? are you still going to be all for amare coming off the bench.. again, I think most of you are way overreacting here...

A little over a year and half sample + playoffs = pretty big sample size

Amare, phucking up Knicks and Melo's game. At least in 2nd unit, he can feast on opposing bench bigs, and his allergy to defense can be masked by Wallace and Camby.

Seems like this whole "Amare" problem happened when Melo got here.

Ok, proper smilies inserted??

Really, since Woody is a magical coach why not just have faith that he can fix it instead of going on past assumptions?

Isn't Amare posting up with the Hakeem goodness to be more effective than him getting the ball further out?

My assumption is Amare is coached to fit into this offense. I assume Woody thought this thru without our help.
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11/6/2012  11:28 AM
Knixkik wrote:
fishmike wrote:fail. Swap Melo with Iggy, Gallo, Paul Pierce... any good 3 and we are still 3-0

Im glad we are winning games rather than losing but we spanked Phili who doesnt have their franchise player and the Heat who didnt want to be there.

Let just be realistic

Haha you are arguing that you swap Melo with Gallo and you get the same result? The same Heat blowout? Big time fail.

yea.. did you watch the game? Melo was terrible 2nd half and did everything he could to shoot us out of the game. If Knicks dont shoot the lights out and hit like 20 three pointers we get beat.

It was a good game, but if your going to tell me Melo carried us in some way shape or form you obviously didnt watch past the first quarter where he was great.

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