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10/30/2012  12:25 AM
Fresh off an Olympic gold medal, playing with the best players in the world, Carmelo Anthony -- never svelte, but in shape for a change -- was all smiles as he prepped for the 2012-13 season, focused on propelling the New York Knicks beyond the first round.

That was until someone reminded him that he'll probably have to do it without Amar'e Stoudemire. Forced to carry the offensive load yet again, Anthony felt compelled to sigh, put his head down and walk away.

That moment of palpable frustration isn't about to go away, ladies and gentlemen, no matter what the Knicks would have you believe. The moment it was announced that Stoudemire's perpetual knee issues would have him out for at least the first six weeks, Knicks fans might as well have taken their lofty aspirations and thrown them in the trash.


Right now, anyone who thinks the Knicks are getting out of the first round should be examined by a doctor. This team is, arguably, not even the fifth-best team in the Eastern Conference.

It's time to be real, folks: The Miami Heat and Boston Celtics are the top two teams. The Philadelphia 76ers are better with Andrew Bynum, one of only two legitimate centers in the East. The Indiana Pacers are rough, rugged and old-school. The Brooklyn Nets didn't spend $82 million, along with acquiring Joe Johnson, to play second fiddle. And that especially applies to their mentality when it comes to the Knicks, with the Nets being the new boys in town, hell-bent on stealing the hearts of New Yorkers.

"We feel good about ourselves," Knicks coach Mike Woodson told me. "We believe in ourselves. We believe in our personnel and what we can do. And we expect to be better than we were last year. We know what level of success we're in pursuit of."

So be it!

Far be it from me or anyone else to doubt Woodson or the team the Knicks assembled. After all, they were five points better defensively once Woodson took over the helm from Mike D'Antoni.

Anthony is a closer extraordinaire. There's no viable reason to dismiss the acquisition of Raymond Felton and Jason Kidd as point guards, since Anthony desperately needed them. And if nothing else, Kurt Thomas and Rasheed Wallace should be good for six fouls and some quality, albeit minimal, minutes -- even if they add years to the league's oldest roster.

Except it's not about any of that with these Knicks anymore. It's about Stoudemire. The $99 million man who can't stay healthy. The same power forward who always looks svelte and powerful, yet doesn't hesitate to disguise whatever ailments pop up during the season. And because of it, the Knicks are on a fast track to nowhere, primarily because the opposition isn't waiting around for them to get better, stronger and healthier.

"We're coming for everybody," Nets coach Avery Johnson said. "We're trying to improve and get better every day. We recognize the commitment that's been made to this team. Our job is to get better, to improve and try to win as many basketball games as possible. No matter who we're up against. And, obviously, one of those teams is the Knicks. We're in the same backyard. So we're not about to start apologizing that we're coming to compete with everybody."

Johnson has his own set of problems to deal with, since his Nets have been ranked 21st and 29th, respectively, on defense the past two seasons. But at least in Joe Johnson and Deron Williams, he has a duo that's dynamic and healthy.

Let it be said here that Anthony and Stoudemire could be dynamic. Particularly if Stoudemire were healthy. But he isn't, again. It's a problem, again. The Stoudemire who had 187 dunks in the 2009-10 season (second in the league) had 68 fewer dunks the following season and 36 fewer than that last season. So the decline is nothing new.
With that, it begs the question: How much more can Anthony take?

At 28, Melo isn't getting any younger. And although he's starving to accomplish as much as his friends Dwyane Wade and LeBron James, that appears to be a pipe dream right now.

Bounced out in the first round eight of his nine years in the league, Anthony continues to face questions about his production, or lack thereof. Is that fair?

Is it fair, considering that he has limited help offensively? Carrying this franchise on his back. Forced to hope that Felton re-emerges as the point guard he once was, or that Kidd can fight off Father Time, or that Tyson Chandler can display prowess in some category other than defense.

Chances are, it's not happening.

Gone is Jeremy Lin. (Good riddance!) Inserted is an experienced bunch that could beat most of the teams in this league if it were healthy. But age and attrition are inevitable. So is another injury to Stoudemire.

If it's frustrating to me, the same can probably be said for others who are closer to the situation. And if that's the case, one can only imagine what Anthony is thinking.

Probably something like: "I wish I had pushed to end up in New Jersey, after all."

Because then he'd be in Brooklyn right now.

Source: http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8570200/

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10/30/2012  12:26 AM
The title should be, Stephen A Smith: Melo, Knicks hopeless minus Amar'e

I completely agree with Smith on this.

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10/30/2012  1:00 AM
AnubisADL wrote:The title should be, Stephen A Smith: Melo, Knicks hopeless minus Amar'e

I completely agree with Smith on this.

The article on ESPN has now slipped ETA out to as much as 8weeks...YIKES!


This keeps growing and growing. Supposedly he could have a procedure done on the knee that keeps him out this long or longer.

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10/30/2012  1:03 AM
Gallo and Lin lovers may get their wish..Melo can opt out after next year..
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10/30/2012  1:23 AM
holfresh wrote:Gallo and Lin lovers may get their wish..Melo can opt out after next year..

Where would he go? He's not going anywhere.

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10/30/2012  1:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/30/2012  1:39 AM
holfresh wrote:Gallo and Lin lovers may get their wish..Melo can opt out after next year..

Never should anyone hope an injury takes place to satisfy an agenda. I feel bad for Amar'e as a professional. I feel he's tried throughout his career to recover from different kinds of injury at the same time he wasn't a true leader at times when he should have been....this is where I don't feel as sorry for him. He did more talking when he shouldn't have and didn't talk when he should have.

I never wanted him signed to be completely honest....1 because of his age injury history in relation to yrs on deal and salary, 2 he simply isn't good enough on the other side of the ball or has zero interest in playing on the other end.

When you think about it with his physical tools if he applied himself with the center position not what it used to be he could have played center for us if he applied himself. If David Lee can play center a full season, although he wasn't defensively good himself but still proved to be a double double guy... Amar'e should be able to duplicate this and then some. He's part of the reason why we had to throw $15mil at center, for a player who could be a breath away from getting Amar'ed.


Is anybody on the waiver wire or free agent better than White? If so we need to waive him while Amar'e is on the IR and resign him back midway through the year if he's available. If this is even legal.


Maybe there's some injury exception we can use this year not sure....both he and Shump down.

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10/30/2012  1:56 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/30/2012  2:14 AM
biglove44 wrote:
holfresh wrote:Gallo and Lin lovers may get their wish..Melo can opt out after next year..

Where would he go? He's not going anywhere.

Clippers to be with Paul, Houston, Dallas, ATL, Lakers to replace Kobe, Nets if the make room, just to name a few..

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10/30/2012  7:15 AM
Melo will go only where he gets paid.

Really sucks if Amare continues to not play. I like this guy and his game.

Denial is a tough customer!

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10/30/2012  9:12 AM
I read neither the article nor the subsequent posts. I need everyone to stop what they're doing and look. Screamin A. Smith just ate some Cheetos.
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10/30/2012  10:28 AM
Nalod wrote:Melo will go only where he gets paid.

Really sucks if Amare continues to not play. I like this guy and his game.

Denial is a tough customer!

SO TRUE NALOD.. this sucks.. I surely didn't agree with the direction of this team, but hell I don't want to lose either.... not having amare stinks, and having an old team that can't stay healthy stinks even more.... get well soon amare.....

lets hope the knicks can play above their heads this year..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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10/30/2012  10:33 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:I read neither the article nor the subsequent posts. I need everyone to stop what they're doing and look. Screamin A. Smith just ate some Cheetos.

I can't believe I read the whole damn thing. Stephen A. Smith is an idiot. He is sounding like a Melo apologist now. Laying the ground work for excuses. This team does not end with Amare and the PF spot. This team needs the PG spot to deliver. Amare was oft-injured last year and they won when he was out with great PG play. Grunwald needs to trade for a PF right now. One that can rebound and defend. Unfortunately, Knicks don't have anybody they can trade until Dec or Jan. Camby, KT and Rasheed need to hold down to fort until we can trade our tradeable assets around Dec and Jan.

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10/30/2012  10:46 AM
Imagine the Bosh in and out of the Heat lineup. Bosh was a major part of them winning it all.

We need Am are to win games. We don't have 3 stars. Its Melo and Amare.

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10/30/2012  10:57 AM
AnubisADL wrote:Imagine the Bosh in and out of the Heat lineup. Bosh was a major part of them winning it all.

We need Am are to win games. We don't have 3 stars. Its Melo and Amare.

You don't need 3 stars to win games if you have great teamwork and defense. That's gotta be the hallmark of the Knicks. And Melo gotta play like an MVP candidate.

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10/30/2012  11:05 AM
Lebron and co. carried it until Bosh returned. No Bosh against OKC im not sure they win.

This is the Starphuch we live. We might be a .500 team but if we don't get Amare in and going then its a bit bleak.

This is how it goes, blame Walsh or MDA but the problems linger. Short term starpphuchs with little substance.

No yoots to really get excited about either. I can't get excited about shump until he gets well and just returns to form. That takes a while.

Knick fans used to just get angry, now they can watch Brooklyn.

and If you start watching things happen.

If good things happen in Brooklyn, Dolan loses Cablevision eyeballs.

When the knicks suck, I don't watch games as much.

One game at a time. The answers will be sorted out on the court!

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10/30/2012  11:41 AM
this guy occasionally has insights but most of the time he is off the mark. he's off the mark here. stat and melo should not be forced to play together. this injury is an opportunity to see how other players might fit best into the starting rotation.

personally i think the most fruitful lineup would have novak out there, stretching the floor. gives plenty of room for the pick and roll and for anthony to work on improving his footwork and slashing. his midrange game is lacking and now he'll have plenty of room. no more jab step nonsense from 22 feet.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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10/30/2012  11:41 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/30/2012  11:48 AM
Nalod wrote:Lebron and co. carried it until Bosh returned. No Bosh against OKC im not sure they win.

This is the Starphuch we live. We might be a .500 team but if we don't get Amare in and going then its a bit bleak.

This is how it goes, blame Walsh or MDA but the problems linger. Short term starpphuchs with little substance.

No yoots to really get excited about either. I can't get excited about shump until he gets well and just returns to form. That takes a while.

Knick fans used to just get angry, now they can watch Brooklyn.

and If you start watching things happen.

If good things happen in Brooklyn, Dolan loses Cablevision eyeballs.

When the knicks suck, I don't watch games as much.

One game at a time. The answers will be sorted out on the court!


Realistically, I would not put it past Melo to opt out summer 2014 if we can't dump Amare.

Melo isn't getting any younger.

So I figure Amare and whoever else not named Melo will be available in trades. Just watch.

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10/30/2012  11:57 AM
AnubisADL wrote:
Nalod wrote:Lebron and co. carried it until Bosh returned. No Bosh against OKC im not sure they win.

This is the Starphuch we live. We might be a .500 team but if we don't get Amare in and going then its a bit bleak.

This is how it goes, blame Walsh or MDA but the problems linger. Short term starpphuchs with little substance.

No yoots to really get excited about either. I can't get excited about shump until he gets well and just returns to form. That takes a while.

Knick fans used to just get angry, now they can watch Brooklyn.

and If you start watching things happen.

If good things happen in Brooklyn, Dolan loses Cablevision eyeballs.

When the knicks suck, I don't watch games as much.

One game at a time. The answers will be sorted out on the court!


Realistically, I would not put it past Melo to opt out summer 2014 if we can't dump Amare.

Melo isn't getting any younger.

So I figure Amare and whoever else not named Melo will be available in trades. Just watch.

Thats two more seasons and can't wrap my head as to what the team could look like.

IM a fan that can go with yoot and build on that. But if we going to starphuch year after year it won't work.

Im not on the UK

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10/30/2012  12:03 PM
martin wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Imagine the Bosh in and out of the Heat lineup. Bosh was a major part of them winning it all.

We need Am are to win games. We don't have 3 stars. Its Melo and Amare.

You don't need 3 stars to win games if you have great teamwork and defense. That's gotta be the hallmark of the Knicks. And Melo gotta play like an MVP candidate.


i AGREE martin, but unfortunately this team was attempting to build that way, and with the injury it left us thin.. Not much talent to replace amare, not much youth if any at all to improve from within... Not sure if melo even playing like a MVP candidate will do much, the east has vastly improved and honestly you are asking melo to do something he really hasn't done his whole career.. what you hope for is guys like kidd and camby(if he can get healthy) to turn back the clock more than expected this year...

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10/30/2012  12:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/30/2012  12:09 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
Nalod wrote:Lebron and co. carried it until Bosh returned. No Bosh against OKC im not sure they win.

This is the Starphuch we live. We might be a .500 team but if we don't get Amare in and going then its a bit bleak.

This is how it goes, blame Walsh or MDA but the problems linger. Short term starpphuchs with little substance.

No yoots to really get excited about either. I can't get excited about shump until he gets well and just returns to form. That takes a while.

Knick fans used to just get angry, now they can watch Brooklyn.

and If you start watching things happen.

If good things happen in Brooklyn, Dolan loses Cablevision eyeballs.

When the knicks suck, I don't watch games as much.

One game at a time. The answers will be sorted out on the court!


Realistically, I would not put it past Melo to opt out summer 2014 if we can't dump Amare.

Melo isn't getting any younger.

So I figure Amare and whoever else not named Melo will be available in trades. Just watch.

Amare is untradeable because of his contract. Also if Melo wants to opt out then we would have to think about dealing him since he is our only real trade chip
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10/30/2012  12:15 PM
Grunwald isn't stupid. Guys are going to get traded. Only person safe is Melo.


Pure speculation but I believe Brandon Jennings and Drew Gooden will be Knicks by the deadline.

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