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holfresh
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10/23/2012  12:11 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/23/2012  7:42 AM
We tossed a lot of money at quite a few old guys this past summer...They weren't ready for this pace against the Sixers..KIdd was done two years ago...KT is done...Camby still isn't ready to play...Sheed hasn't been seen as of yet...More importantly there is a huge hole behind Amare with no one to fill it...
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10/23/2012  12:16 AM
Camby was at the game tonight and looked pretty limber even though he didn't play. He went out and blocked a teammates shot joking around. If tonight was any indication I do agree about Kidd. He looked really slow. KT was productive on the floor and is a banger and intimidator. I don't think it hurts to have him around. I don't know the details on his contract but I know the Knicks can be done with Camby after two seasons. I think Kidd is the only guy they are locked into for 3 years.
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10/23/2012  12:23 AM
holfresh wrote:
We tossed a lot of money at quite a few old guys this past summer...They weren't ready for this pace against the Sixers..KIdd was done two years ago...KT is done...Camby still isn't ready to play...Sheed hasn't been seen as of yet...More importantly there is a huge hole behind Amare with no one to fill...

lol.. i WAS called a hater for having the same concerns.. you are funny dude....

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10/23/2012  12:41 AM
holfresh wrote:
We tossed a lot of money at quite a few old guys this past summer...They weren't ready for this pace against the Sixers..KIdd was done two years ago...KT is done...Camby still isn't ready to play...Sheed hasn't been seen as of yet...More importantly there is a huge hole behind Amare with no one to fill...

Didn't you support all of these moves and aren't you a supporter of Grunwald over Walsh?

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10/23/2012  1:05 AM
The over the hill gang will be fine. It's preseason! JR is banged up but that's ok since he's young?

Let the injuries happen now and not during the damn playoffs for a change. This team wins 50+ this season....NO DOUBT!!!!

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10/23/2012  1:16 AM
JamesKPolk wrote:
holfresh wrote:
We tossed a lot of money at quite a few old guys this past summer...They weren't ready for this pace against the Sixers..KIdd was done two years ago...KT is done...Camby still isn't ready to play...Sheed hasn't been seen as of yet...More importantly there is a huge hole behind Amare with no one to fill...

Didn't you support all of these moves and aren't you a supporter of Grunwald over Walsh?

Grunwald grabbed Pablo, Copeland, Brewer and White for almost nothing. Pablo maybe the best point on the Knicks. He certainly is in the top two based on the preseason. Cope has been awesome. White is a very good defensive player and is very athletic. Brewer looked like he didn't belong tonight but if he can come back from his injury he was a great signing and at a minimal cost. No Anthony Robersons or Johnathon Benders in that group.
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10/23/2012  1:17 AM
no way is this team going to be the lebrons
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10/23/2012  1:21 AM
seriously, this team is not going anywhere.

Melo is selfish and just doesn't get it - he'll never be Lebron, which is who we need him to be.

Amare is done, and will never be the defender we need him to be.

The center spot which was supposed to be our strength, is a huge weakness. Chandler can only score on lobs, and Camby is already done.

The SG spot is trash with injured guys all across the board, three deep.

The PG spot should be solid, but Felton is just not the answer there - Lowry would have been better. Kidd is done. Priggy is good as a third stringer, and is an excellent passer, but can not drive penetrate or hit an open trey to save his life.
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10/23/2012  1:23 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:
holfresh wrote:
We tossed a lot of money at quite a few old guys this past summer...They weren't ready for this pace against the Sixers..KIdd was done two years ago...KT is done...Camby still isn't ready to play...Sheed hasn't been seen as of yet...More importantly there is a huge hole behind Amare with no one to fill...

Didn't you support all of these moves and aren't you a supporter of Grunwald over Walsh?

Grunwald grabbed Pablo, Copeland, Brewer and White for almost nothing. Pablo maybe the best point on the Knicks. He certainly is in the top two based on the preseason. Cope has been awesome. White is a very good defensive player and is very athletic. Brewer looked like he didn't belong tonight but if he can come back from his injury he was a great signing and at a minimal cost. No Anthony Robersons or Johnathon Benders in that group.

Look - you're getting excited about our third and fourth stringers.

If we depend on Pablo, Copeland, Brewer and White (guys who wouldn't get burn on most other teams) - we are not going anywhere this year.
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tkf wrote:
holfresh wrote:
We tossed a lot of money at quite a few old guys this past summer...They weren't ready for this pace against the Sixers..KIdd was done two years ago...KT is done...Camby still isn't ready to play...Sheed hasn't been seen as of yet...More importantly there is a huge hole behind Amare with no one to fill...

lol.. i WAS called a hater for having the same concerns.. you are funny dude....

Did I call u a hater for voicing your displeasure against signing these old did???..I'm willing to bet no one went on an all out rant the way I did the moment we signed Kidd....
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10/23/2012  1:28 AM
Caseloads wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:
holfresh wrote:
We tossed a lot of money at quite a few old guys this past summer...They weren't ready for this pace against the Sixers..KIdd was done two years ago...KT is done...Camby still isn't ready to play...Sheed hasn't been seen as of yet...More importantly there is a huge hole behind Amare with no one to fill...

Didn't you support all of these moves and aren't you a supporter of Grunwald over Walsh?

Grunwald grabbed Pablo, Copeland, Brewer and White for almost nothing. Pablo maybe the best point on the Knicks. He certainly is in the top two based on the preseason. Cope has been awesome. White is a very good defensive player and is very athletic. Brewer looked like he didn't belong tonight but if he can come back from his injury he was a great signing and at a minimal cost. No Anthony Robersons or Johnathon Benders in that group.

Look - you're getting excited about our third and fourth stringers.

If we depend on Pablo, Copeland, Brewer and White (guys who wouldn't get burn on most other teams) - we are not going anywhere this year.

No. There was no money and no assets to speak of. Those guys are good enough to be in the rotation. Pablo probably should start if there was a competition for the point. Copeland was a camp invite making the team and looking like a guy that can contribute. A healthy Brewer is a marquee defensive player. White is a very good defensive player with tremendous athleticism. Grunwald is shrewd in my opinion. Setting up Gadz, Jordan and Jorts contracts so that he could use them in a trade was brilliant.
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10/23/2012  1:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/23/2012  1:45 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:
holfresh wrote:
We tossed a lot of money at quite a few old guys this past summer...They weren't ready for this pace against the Sixers..KIdd was done two years ago...KT is done...Camby still isn't ready to play...Sheed hasn't been seen as of yet...More importantly there is a huge hole behind Amare with no one to fill...

Didn't you support all of these moves and aren't you a supporter of Grunwald over Walsh?

Grunwald grabbed Pablo, Copeland, Brewer and White for almost nothing. Pablo maybe the best point on the Knicks. He certainly is in the top two based on the preseason. Cope has been awesome. White is a very good defensive player and is very athletic. Brewer looked like he didn't belong tonight but if he can come back from his injury he was a great signing and at a minimal cost. No Anthony Robersons or Johnathon Benders in that group.

Really now? We're including Copeland and White as some amazing players? Hell, we're considering them NBA players already? 2 near-30 year old journeymen who happened to do something other than suck in preseason and we put them down as successes for MR. Grunwald. No Anthony Roberson and Jonathan Bender? LOL. This is exactly what these guys are. End of the bench scrubs. To think they'll be anything more is to be thinking with a clear hate for Donnie Walsh.

The fact is Walsh did more here in less time than any other GM has, including Grunwald. All Grunwald has managed to do was sign the 2002 All-Star team and hope that everyone stays healthy. Not the most sound strategy out there. We'll see how successful it is.

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10/23/2012  1:32 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:
holfresh wrote:
We tossed a lot of money at quite a few old guys this past summer...They weren't ready for this pace against the Sixers..KIdd was done two years ago...KT is done...Camby still isn't ready to play...Sheed hasn't been seen as of yet...More importantly there is a huge hole behind Amare with no one to fill...

Didn't you support all of these moves and aren't you a supporter of Grunwald over Walsh?

Grunwald grabbed Pablo, Copeland, Brewer and White for almost nothing. Pablo maybe the best point on the Knicks. He certainly is in the top two based on the preseason. Cope has been awesome. White is a very good defensive player and is very athletic. Brewer looked like he didn't belong tonight but if he can come back from his injury he was a great signing and at a minimal cost. No Anthony Robersons or Johnathon Benders in that group.

Look - you're getting excited about our third and fourth stringers.

If we depend on Pablo, Copeland, Brewer and White (guys who wouldn't get burn on most other teams) - we are not going anywhere this year.

No. There was no money and no assets to speak of. Those guys are good enough to be in the rotation. Pablo probably should start if there was a competition for the point. Copeland was a camp invite making the team and looking like a guy that can contribute. A healthy Brewer is a marquee defensive player. White is a very good defensive player with tremendous athleticism. Grunwald is shrewd in my opinion. Setting up Gadz, Jordan and Jorts contracts so that he could use them in a trade was brilliant.


We actually could use Jorts right now. There was nothing brillant about that trade, not one thing
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10/23/2012  1:40 AM
3G4G wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Caseloads wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:
holfresh wrote:
We tossed a lot of money at quite a few old guys this past summer...They weren't ready for this pace against the Sixers..KIdd was done two years ago...KT is done...Camby still isn't ready to play...Sheed hasn't been seen as of yet...More importantly there is a huge hole behind Amare with no one to fill...

Didn't you support all of these moves and aren't you a supporter of Grunwald over Walsh?

Grunwald grabbed Pablo, Copeland, Brewer and White for almost nothing. Pablo maybe the best point on the Knicks. He certainly is in the top two based on the preseason. Cope has been awesome. White is a very good defensive player and is very athletic. Brewer looked like he didn't belong tonight but if he can come back from his injury he was a great signing and at a minimal cost. No Anthony Robersons or Johnathon Benders in that group.

Look - you're getting excited about our third and fourth stringers.

If we depend on Pablo, Copeland, Brewer and White (guys who wouldn't get burn on most other teams) - we are not going anywhere this year.

No. There was no money and no assets to speak of. Those guys are good enough to be in the rotation. Pablo probably should start if there was a competition for the point. Copeland was a camp invite making the team and looking like a guy that can contribute. A healthy Brewer is a marquee defensive player. White is a very good defensive player with tremendous athleticism. Grunwald is shrewd in my opinion. Setting up Gadz, Jordan and Jorts contracts so that he could use them in a trade was brilliant.


We actually could use Jorts right now. There was nothing brillant about that trade, not one thing

The Knicks needed to get Camby. If the cba hadn't changed Jorts would have been resigned by the knicks when the Rockets waived him. Jorts may end up being a regret down the road but I think Camby on the Knicks and not on the Heat was a huge move. I saw Camby tonight in 'Cuse. He didn't play but was hoarsing around and blocked a teammates shot. I think Camby will be fine and I think he will have a big impact on the Knicks this year.
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10/23/2012  2:59 AM
I am mixed. I thought we were built to be a playoff team, meaning more halfcourt. Then I thought we would have a better regular season since Melo and Stat could probably carry us. But now, I wonder (again) with Stats health.
I'm taking this like "no excuses" - none of that "They need a training camp together BS" as that got old. Let's see what we got. If it is the same old, it is easy to move on as we have all been disappointed for years with this team (or rather owner) and the first good thing to happen to this team is let to walk. Basically, we need to tear things up in the regular season to have any shot of getting past the good team. It is not like we have been playing together for years and have elite level talent that can be turned on for the playoffs.

Anyone else get the feeling this is the same team, but like part III?

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earthmansurfer wrote:I am mixed. I thought we were built to be a playoff team, meaning more halfcourt. Then I thought we would have a better regular season since Melo and Stat could probably carry us. But now, I wonder (again) with Stats health.
I'm taking this like "no excuses" - none of that "They need a training camp together BS" as that got old. Let's see what we got. If it is the same old, it is easy to move on as we have all been disappointed for years with this team (or rather owner) and the first good thing to happen to this team is let to walk. Basically, we need to tear things up in the regular season to have any shot of getting past the good team. It is not like we have been playing together for years and have elite level talent that can be turned on for the playoffs.

Anyone else get the feeling this is the same team, but like part III?

Sure. What has really changed besides replacing a good PG (Lin) with a mediocre one (Felton) and the 2002 All-Star roster?

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10/23/2012  7:37 AM
JamesKPolk wrote:
holfresh wrote:
We tossed a lot of money at quite a few old guys this past summer...They weren't ready for this pace against the Sixers..KIdd was done two years ago...KT is done...Camby still isn't ready to play...Sheed hasn't been seen as of yet...More importantly there is a huge hole behind Amare with no one to fill...

Didn't you support all of these moves and aren't you a supporter of Grunwald over Walsh?


Yeah, I haven't posted in the Knicks forum for a week. I come back and there seems to be an entirely different Holfresh. I'll give credit though - it's an improved Holfresh.
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10/23/2012  8:46 AM
Just don't understand this board. We're not even out of preseason and you guys are already jumping ship. Serious question, does it make you feel better to continually rant until things are better or you are proven right? How do you sustain so much anger, worry and frustration and still enjoy rooting for a team? Just doesn't make sense do me.

Are we analyzing every play, player and extrapolating only the worst possible outcome? For instance....

"Camby is done" ...... really? And you know this how or based on what? Is this what sports fan dome has become? Bitching about every play until the team wins, only than to root? No enjoyment of the ride anymore I guess, no preseason hope, because the player you might have wanted is no longer here. Only misery.
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10/23/2012  8:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/23/2012  8:49 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
JamesKPolk wrote:
holfresh wrote:
We tossed a lot of money at quite a few old guys this past summer...They weren't ready for this pace against the Sixers..KIdd was done two years ago...KT is done...Camby still isn't ready to play...Sheed hasn't been seen as of yet...More importantly there is a huge hole behind Amare with no one to fill...

Didn't you support all of these moves and aren't you a supporter of Grunwald over Walsh?


Yeah, I haven't posted in the Knicks forum for a week. I come back and there seems to be an entirely different Holfresh. I'll give credit though - it's an improved Holfresh.

I'm the same dude..Ur are just blinded by my defense of Melo and Amare...But I never liked the move to the old crew...I voiced it day one, although now some are trying to accuse me of supporting it...Didn't like the Amare signing but Amare he gave it his all, I now a fan...I don't think Amare will be the same again tho...Wanted Felton back...Thought Chandler is a stiff and still do...We need Shrump badly...We need youth and energy...I think our management thought they could recreate the Mavs...Novak still can't hit a shot with a defender on him and no one will turn him loose this year...This league is about young athletes who can go the distance...You have to have young guys infused into your team..Boston figured it out..Right mix of vets and youth...Oh well..Let's hope Amare makes a come back...
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10/23/2012  8:52 AM
I don't think so... The Knicks barely made the postseason with nothing at either guard spot heading into last season. Let's just say they barely creep in again... you'd prefer veterans on the team. Hopefully they get younger talent to replace these guys when they retire. But it could be a lot worse and it was worse heading into last year
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