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Amare's Gimpy Knee: The Silver Lining (?)
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Gymkata
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10/22/2012  9:17 AM
I'm in full lipstick-on-a-pig mode here, because like many of you I share a fatalistic vision of STAT's long-term viability, but...if the Knicks can coalesce around Melo these first few weeks and the starting unit can build a rhythm (specifically between Melo and Felton), could that ease a transition to a new bench role for Amare?

It's not a new idea, sure, but Clyde was talking about it during one of the preseason games; bring him off the bench and make him the featured player. Between him and JR, you have some instant pop and Kidd and Prigs look to be able to run the pick and roll effectively. Or slide JR into the starter's role and have Brewer in the second unit to shore up the D. You can reduce the Tyson/Amare overlap (which, to me, is a bigger issue than Melo/Amare) and, as was noted in a previous thread, let Amare "beast."

It would be a blow to STAT's ego, for sure, but perhaps the injury is the out?

Also, I declare this thread a No Lin Zone.

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10/22/2012  9:24 AM
Gymkata wrote:I'm in full lipstick-on-a-pig mode here, because like many of you I share a fatalistic vision of STAT's long-term viability, but...if the Knicks can coalesce around Melo these first few weeks and the starting unit can build a rhythm (specifically between Melo and Felton), could that ease a transition to a new bench role for Amare?

It's not a new idea, sure, but Clyde was talking about it during one of the preseason games; bring him off the bench and make him the featured player. Between him and JR, you have some instant pop and Kidd and Prigs look to be able to run the pick and roll effectively. Or slide JR into the starter's role and have Brewer in the second unit to shore up the D. You can reduce the Tyson/Amare overlap (which, to me, is a bigger issue than Melo/Amare) and, as was noted in a previous thread, let Amare "beast."

It would be a blow to STAT's ego, for sure, but perhaps the injury is the out?

Also, I declare this thread a No L*%$ Zone.

1) Fixed.

2) and it will also provide some needed scoring to the second unit if JR gets to start at the beginning of the season. I don't see Brewer being able to bring it 100% this close after knee work. He will break early.

3) It will obviously perpetuate the "they can't coexist" conundrum. As well as trying to see how long Dohlin will put up with a max contract bench player.

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10/22/2012  9:35 AM
I want Amare off the bench, and I want him there yesterday!

The guy is made out of straw...

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10/22/2012  9:55 AM
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10/22/2012  10:07 AM

YOu pay a guy 20mm to play starters minutes and close out games.

THats a hard reality that might not jive with the fans agenda but "stars" need to be on the court.

Woody got the job because he convinced Dolan he can make it work. Thats his job.

No silver lining here when a 20mm player with his talent goes down.

I think some fans might think, "Hey, no problem, Melo is 12lbs skinny and we can do the 18-6 thing again! Felton is better than what we had last year, and we are deeper now!

Uh huh.

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10/22/2012  10:16 AM
Look, you can't look through the prism of money anymore. It is what it is. He got a huge contract and we're paying him a lot of money. The only thing that matters now is putting him in the best place to succeed.
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10/22/2012  10:25 AM
Tahnk You Gymkata

Gymkata wrote:Look, you can't look through the prism of money anymore. It is what it is. He got a huge contract and we're paying him a lot of money. The only thing that matters now is putting him in the best place to succeed.

Whining about what a player is paid is pointless. They are all millionaires. The salary figure has absolutely nothing to do with how a player performs with a game on the line under two minutes.

hit the open man and play defense.

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10/22/2012  10:29 AM
I don't believe in bringing him off the bench only for a few main reasons:

Amare will likely be finishing games regardless, so bringing him off the bench will prevent him from getting into rhythm early with the 1st unit.

We need to give Amare and Melo one more full year to co exist.

If they can't, at least Stoudemire will put up numbers and with 2 years left on his contract be more tradeable next summer. He will be less tradeable as a reserve.

Either force the 2 to coexist or trade him. Bringing him off the bench can't be the solution.

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10/22/2012  10:32 AM
People used to say we were a better team without Ewing, and when he went down in the 1999 playoffs, some fans saw it as a silver lining situation, thinking we'd play better. Then we got to face off against the Spurs, and those people looked pretty short sighted.

Melo ball can be successful for streaks in the regular season, but come playoffs we need all our players playing well. Putting Amar'e on the bench just shifts the problem of them meshing from the start of games, to meshing at the end of games.

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10/22/2012  10:38 AM
smackeddog wrote:People used to say we were a better team without Ewing, and when he went down in the 1999 playoffs, some fans saw it as a silver lining situation, thinking we'd play better. Then we got to face off against the Spurs, and those people looked pretty short sighted.

Melo ball can be successful for streaks in the regular season, but come playoffs we need all our players playing well. Putting Amar'e on the bench just shifts the problem of them meshing from the start of games, to meshing at the end of games.

Look, the success of the season absolutely hinges on Amare. Even if Melo turns in an MVP performance, it's not enough. As we saw in the Miami series last year, they essentially triple-teamed Melo and there was no one else to pick up the slack. And we would certainly want Amare in there to close out games.

All I'm saying is that he might have a better chance establishing that rhythm coming off the bench with the second unit where he could be the primary scorer and perhaps benefit from the playmaking abilities of Kidd and Prigs.

Also, whoever said we were better off without Ewing in 1999 needs to have their heads checked. I remember staring at the Duncan/Robinson duo in San Antonio and knowing we probably din't have a shot without the Big Guy.

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10/22/2012  10:41 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:I want Amare off the bench, and I want him there yesterday!

The guy is made out of straw...

I've been on the fence with this but, now I have managed to shimmy my out of shape ass over the top only to fall down on the other side Amare should come off the bench since his absneses prevent chemistry from forming with our started unit. Also, playing with the 2nd unit would give us the offense that unit need. Who besides inconsistent JR will provide any consistent offensive there.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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10/22/2012  10:47 AM
DurzoBlint wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:I want Amare off the bench, and I want him there yesterday!

The guy is made out of straw...

I've been on the fence with this but, now I have managed to shimmy my out of shape ass over the top only to fall down on the other side Amare should come off the bench since his absneses prevent chemistry from forming with our started unit. Also, playing with the 2nd unit would give us the offense that unit need. Who besides inconsistent JR will provide any consistent offensive there.

What do you think about moving JR to the starter's role and Brewer to the second unit?

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10/22/2012  11:57 AM
Iannazzone says Woody just said Camby may not even play our first regular season game- hmpf! What is going on with his gimpy calf? Considering Sheed isn't ready, our front court is looking wafer thin.

If Amar'e returns in 2-3 weeks, the schedules actually pretty favourable for him- if he misses the Dallas game, he has almost a week of practices to get back in shape and make up for the loss of preseason. Key for him is not to let this setback get to him mentally.

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10/22/2012  12:00 PM
Grunwald needs to start working the phones.
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10/22/2012  12:11 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Grunwald needs to start working the phones.

I think he needs a grenade.

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10/22/2012  12:18 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Grunwald needs to start working the phones.

I think he needs a grenade.

Maybe. I just think the latest injury makes it easier to trade from the Knicks POV.

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10/22/2012  12:21 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:Grunwald needs to start working the phones.

I think he needs a grenade.

Maybe. I just think the latest injury makes it easier to trade from the Knicks POV.

I don't think he is tradeable.

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10/22/2012  12:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/22/2012  12:24 PM
We need STAT starting pronto...I'm not a subscriber to the bench idea..We really don't need Melo ball 365...The top teams in the NBA will be sure to have more than one or two offensive options in their starting lineups...We have Melo...STAT looked good in the post his first game..Let's build on that...They really haven't had time with a legit PG...We really needed some one backing up STAT in the ilk of a Blatche to step in...Not necessarily Blatche but just some one who can score...A healthy Amare isn't guaranteed is it..A little short sightedness by management..
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10/22/2012  12:47 PM
holfresh wrote:We need STAT starting pronto...I'm not a subscriber to the bench idea..We really don't need Melo ball 365...The top teams in the NBA will be sure to have more than one or two offensive options in their starting lineups...We have Melo...STAT looked good in the post his first game..Let's build on that...They really haven't had time with a legit PG...We really needed some one backing up STAT in the ilk of a Blatche to step in...Not necessarily Blatche but just some one who can score...A healthy Amare isn't guaranteed is it..A little short sightedness by management..
The only problem is that the knicks seemed to thrive with melo at the 4. Melo was an absolute beast playing the 4 last year and now this year Melo is in the best shape of his life. I love Amare but i still think coming off the bench might help him and us. Then maybe we could move him back intro teh starting 5
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10/22/2012  2:10 PM
How did it help us against Miami in the playoffs?
Amare's Gimpy Knee: The Silver Lining (?)

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