this is truly the bad part of that trade we can argue ad naseum about the idosyncracies of that trade, but i have a 100% opinion that we couldve demanded to keep lampe and they wouldve still done that deal IMHO. that was a money based deal, the owner was trying to pair down long term debt to get into position to sell it--we BLUNDERED* throwing in an 18 year old 7-0 with his skills-- if isiah said ill do everything but were keeping lampe---do you really think that the suns back out of all that cash they get rid of? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO we needed to nit pick there and we didnt do it. IT wanted everything laydumb gone and he appeased Pheonix

Briggs, I agree with you 100%, but face it, Lampe would not get any run here anyway.

Its done, he is gone, and just enjoy his career as a basketball fan.


We got Demarr, and Moochie.

Moochie can't dribble. I can't believe this freak got such a nice contract. Watching him, I miss fatspoon.

Rich you are 100 percent correct decent game in a blowout win, lets be happy that It didn't trade sweetney who we can see is a player, a guy with a big body, good feet and great hands and the ability to rebound the hell out of the ball, and at 21 is still learning the game and has the skills to be a post threat... I have no time to follow Lampe and his once every 20 game blow out stat padding performance....

lampe was part of the core rotation in this game playing good first half minutes. He was shooting very well and was tough on the inside and seemed to tire and missed his last 5 shots late when it was all over. Make no mistake, anyone who watched him play last night, I was watching back and forth with texas -nc--this kid is the real deal. We shouldve never thrown him in for nothing--we couldve kept him and I will bet a nice dollar i wont be the last person to say it as his career moves forward. I didnt say anything about milos or draft picks et al---my complaint was the idiotic move of just throwing in lampe.

Posted by BRIGGS:

lampe was part of the core rotation in this game playing good first half minutes. He was shooting very well and was tough on the inside and seemed to tire and missed his last 5 shots late when it was all over. Make no mistake, anyone who watched him play last night, I was watching back and forth with texas -nc--this kid is the real deal. We shouldve never thrown him in for nothing--we couldve kept him and I will bet a nice dollar i wont be the last person to say it as his career moves forward. I didnt say anything about milos or draft picks et al---my complaint was the idiotic move of just throwing in lampe.

Since you weren't privy to the negotiations, you can only guess about the necessity of including him in the deal. I have always thought that if he was that good, Nelson would have drafted him ahead of Howard. In any case, I would not have let his inclusion in the deal be a deal breaker to get Marbury. A draft pick to get Okafor is another matter.

With threads like this I would like to see Marbs numbers mentioned too, that's only fair. And Eisley's and Dice's. Throw in Ward while you are at it.

Posted by BRIGGS:

i believe we did not have to give lampe up, it was a money based deal. we appeased them with lampe IMHO--he couldve held lampe out of the deal and it wouldve went down.

thats like someone saying no im not going to relieve myself of 150mm$ in debt so I have aharder time selling my team for a 2nd round draft pick that we were so high on we skipped him at 27.

its a dumb question and i dont have to be privvy to inside information to figure that one out. If Isiah said no lampe--that deal gets done anyway. we gave them lampe to get rid of anything laydumb.

you can agree or disagree but this deal was 100% based on economics and that lampe was a pee-onn throw in that we should've[there is that word again] devloped on our own. No need to write stuff that this deal wouldnt have gotten done without lampe or your not privvy to information--it doesnt take a genious to know this was ALL money to Pheonix. they promptly turned around and sold the draft picks for a few MM more

Colangelo: "Isiah, you have 2 minutes to decide or there is no deal. Through in Lampe and you get Marbury and Penny for Dice, Eisely, Ward and Milos. I got Jerry West on the other line and he is frothing at the mouth."

You KNOW this kind of conversation happened and Isiah's boxers got twisted so fast he HAD to make the deal. The guy was in the office for 1 minute and he NEEDED to make the deal and he certainly was in a tight spot.

But lets put this in perspective: Marbury, Penny, Trybanski for Dice, Eisely, Ward, 2 second rounders and a first rounder. When you look at it that way it's much better.

BRIGGS, How about this: would you give up Anderson, Deke, Harrington, the next 2 consecutive second rounders, 2005 first rounder for say Pierce? Yes you would, over and over again.

Briggs the price for superstar players are very high man, why do you think that they are not traded often?

And lets say we had kept lampe, it is evident and I watch a lot of suns games, that lampe is not a center, he is not a true PF but more of a SF in a PF's body, are you telling me that lampe is better than TT? I don't even think he will be as good at TT before it is said and done, for the knicks IT made moves to build a team that he envisioned for NY, and one that he knew New yorkers will embrace, a lot of you guys are hung up on teenage players especially foreign ones, as if every 19 year old kid from europe will be the next dirk, it doesn't work that way man, it just doesn't, just be happy we have a real prospect in sweetney who IMO will be a real player in this league and give the knicks what they need, a rebounding foward who can post.. why you are hung up on another euro propect who shoots jumpers is beyond me....

Alright Mr. Money man, you of all people should know that when dealing with big corporations ( I.e an NBA franchise) and their relationship with the public, there is a P.R component to everything.

For P.R purposes, they had to actually get talent back. What are they going to say to season ticket holders? “hey guess what, we traded a 26 Y/O future hall of famer, we didn’t get any talent back, but don’t worry with they money we saved, the Colangalo family will be able to pay off the mortgage on their 6th vacation home, and their yacht”. Doesn’t work that way.

Lampe was most definitely a key to the trade. Either him or Sweetney had to be included. Why do you think that the Suns organization hyped up Lampe as this Larry Bird/Dirk Nowitzki hybrid of the future in the following days after the trade. They had to get talent back to justify the trade to the public that buys tickets. To assume that the only reason Lampe was included was because I.T wanted to get rid of Layden players is typical internet b.s

NY fans have an annoying habit of thinking that the rest of the league is their farm system. Its like when we make a trade, it has to be a no-brainer steal, or else there are a million fans saying “we got ripped off”…That explains why Knick message boards are flooded with Charlie Ward for Shaq, or Shandon Anderson for Tim Duncan trade proposals….shocking as it may seem, another team may actually want talent in return….shocking.

And I’ll just piggyback on what Martin and RonRon said…How do you think Suns fans feel when Marbury goes off for 42, and basically puts up numbers that establishes himself as arguably the best point guard in the game…While they have to cross their fingers for the future and hope Milos comes out of hiding, and that Lampe develops into something worthwhile, on top of having to suffer through the mediocrity of Eisely and McDyess…Try to look past your myopia and see the big picture.

RonRon is right tho, to post Lampe’s stats after a crushing Knicks defeat is pretty weak. I’m getting sick of the Knicks board becoming Lampe

Ray Williams-32pts-Italian league
Eddie Wilken-23pts,12rebs-Turkey league
Hawthorne Wingo-12/14-Australia league

I think we gave up on these guys too early.

Posted by Stevo718:

Who cares if Slavy Kukoo scored 35/12

I'm usually personally sensitive to good old US of A's image amongst the international crowd - and apologies to all international posters - but Slavy Kukoo... man, that's funny.