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10/18/2012  9:24 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/18/2012  12:16 PM
•(official Lin-free Zone)

Head Coach Mike Woodson: "All I care about is the end result. And if that means a starter - or even a superstar - is nailed to the bench down the stretch, so be it."

Woodson on the NBC (new backcourt): ""We talked about that when we brought the move to bring them both in, that Kidd can guard [shooting guards] and [small forwards]," Woodson said. "It frees Pablo to handle the ball. He kind of got fatigued at the end. But give the ball to Kidd and now it's his turn to handle it. That's a nice combo to have."

Raymond Felton: (on Woodson's offensive system) "It's different, but at the same time it's a lot screen and roll, so I can't complain with that. That's what I love to do.'"

Pablo Prigioni: (via Bleacher Report) "Most of Prigioni’s shots are FIBA three-pointers. I think it’s fair to add those to his (much rarer) two-pointers. All together, from about 22-feet in, Prigioni shoots a career 42 percent. Not bad at all. The upshot is this: Pablo Prigioni is one accurate shooter, and don’t be surprised if he finds time at the number two, as well as chip away at Kidd’s time backing up the one, as the season drags on."

Jason Kidd: "It's not rocket science. (Pablo) keeps it simple, plays hard. He's fun to play with because he competes. Throw age out. It's just basketball. We were just talking how easy it is to play when you understand how to play the right way."

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10/18/2012  9:35 AM
I'm not a Kidd fan but I'm excited at the options available with his presence on the floor...I think we still haven't gotten over that hurdle of our 2 guard(Fields last year) hitting that open jumper in the corner..If Prigs and Kidd could do that then we will be a different ball club...But I'm pumped to get the ball rolling, literally...
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10/18/2012  9:58 AM
We will have ball movement. Everywhere, with each squad. Barring catastrophic injuries.

At least it won't be another season with episodes of iso alone because no one on the wings can shoot at all. Or make a layup. Or dribble drive without kicking it off their own foot.

Shump, if he hasn't lost his freak athleticism, will change things too.

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10/18/2012  10:00 AM
I am a Lin supporter. Dolan hater. I am indifferent with the Knicks right now. Saying that...I have posted this in other threads. The Knicks success is tied into the PG spot. Felton/Kidd/Pablo delivers then this is a 50+ win team. They don't then this team misses the playoffs. There are no in-between. I have not seen any of the pre-season games but from what I have read, they are on a very good start. This is a win now team and I think they have a 2-3 year window. The only other question mark is the SG spot. They need a pure shooting guard that can knock down an open shot. I like JR Smith at that spot but he is a timebomb. Brewer? Can he hit an open shot?
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10/18/2012  10:43 AM
In NBA level of competition (not preseason level) the ability to execute is paramount.
Team can get away without PG who can run the team if other players can create their own shot and facilitate.
We do not have this players so we will do as far as our PGs will take us.
With egos like Melo, JR, and STAT we had to go with PGs who can dictate the game and refuse them the ball if they are not working hard for the position or not running the sets.
It was no way Melo will go with the program running by Lin or any other young PG.
Not sure about Felton but Kid and Prigs will not give a dam about Melo or anybody else complains.
Lin place is with the young rebuilding team and he get it.
I think with all bitterness some fans have this is a happy ending for everybody involved and the only possible one.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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10/18/2012  11:02 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/18/2012  11:04 AM
arkrud wrote:In NBA level of competition (not preseason level) the ability to execute is paramount.
Team can get away without PG who can run the team if other players can create their own shot and facilitate.
We do not have this players so we will do as far as our PGs will take us.

With egos like Melo, JR, and STAT we had to go with PGs who can dictate the game and refuse them the ball if they are not working hard for the position or not running the sets.
It was no way Melo will go with the program running by Lin or any other young PG.
Not sure about Felton but Kid and Prigs will not give a dam about Melo or anybody else complains.
Lin place is with the young rebuilding team and he get it.
I think with all bitterness some fans have this is a happy ending for everybody involved and the only possible one.

Melo can't create his own shot now

I seem to recall Melo playing some point-forward and players like Bibby, Fields and Douglas missing numerous wide open shots for weeks and weeks.

For what it's worth, I'd prefer the Knicks have a good pg so that Melo can focus on doing what he does best, scoring and rebounding.

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10/18/2012  11:42 AM
NUPE wrote:
arkrud wrote:In NBA level of competition (not preseason level) the ability to execute is paramount.
Team can get away without PG who can run the team if other players can create their own shot and facilitate.
We do not have this players so we will do as far as our PGs will take us.

With egos like Melo, JR, and STAT we had to go with PGs who can dictate the game and refuse them the ball if they are not working hard for the position or not running the sets.
It was no way Melo will go with the program running by Lin or any other young PG.
Not sure about Felton but Kid and Prigs will not give a dam about Melo or anybody else complains.
Lin place is with the young rebuilding team and he get it.
I think with all bitterness some fans have this is a happy ending for everybody involved and the only possible one.

Melo can't create his own shot now

I seem to recall Melo playing some point-forward and players like Bibby, Fields and Douglas missing numerous wide open shots for weeks and weeks.

For what it's worth, I'd prefer the Knicks have a good pg so that Melo can focus on doing what he does best, scoring and rebounding.

So that's what that abortion of an experiment was called last year by D'Antoni!

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10/18/2012  11:57 AM
Melo as a passer is underrated.

[Steps back, waits]

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10/18/2012  11:57 AM
The Answer Man Wonders What Part Of Lin-Free Do You Not Understand?

NYKBocker wrote:I am a Lin supporter. Dolan hater. I am indifferent with the Knicks right now.

NYKBocker - Does being indifferent about the Knicks translate into a behavior that one may only get moderately pleased when the Knicks win and will passionately bitch and moan at every Knicks loss?

Please re-note, a friendly reminder, this remains a Lin-free zone.

NYKBocker - This is a win now team and I think they have a 2-3 year window.

There is no 2-3 year window. Patrick Ewing had around a ten year window that was both exciting and frustrating. We plays 'em one game at a time.

NYKBocker - I like JR Smith at that spot but he is a timebomb.

A. John Starks was a timebomb and we loved him for it.

NYKBocker - Can (Brewer) hit an open shot?

A. Yes, yes he can. More important, he is a student of the game.

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10/18/2012  12:02 PM
misterearl wrote:NYKBocker - Can (Brewer) hit an open shot?

A. Yes, yes he can. More important, he is a student of the game.

Even more importantly, I seriously doubt we'll be having any "Brewer Parabola" hate threads regarding his shooting abilities.

Yes, I'm looking at you, Landry Fields.

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10/18/2012  12:28 PM
Shift changers?
Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
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10/18/2012  12:35 PM
En Garde

"the Knicks can expect slightly better point guard play this year, the point guard play should be miles ahead of last season’s production in 40 of the 66 games. Take (cough) out of the equation, and for 61 percent of the season, the Knicks had a point guard PER of 7.8. The team’s record over those 40 games? Exactly 20-20.

The returning point guards this season each bested 13 in PER last year, and call me a ****eyed optimist, but I think Prigioni is a good bet to best 7.8 as well. So if the Knicks get nothing more from any other position-and keep in mind, Amar’e Stoudemire played in only 25 of those 40 games, with most of those 25 coming early as he worked to get himself back into shape following last summer’s back surgery - they should still be a better than .500 team. If the degree of improvement at point guard is as dramatic as it appears, they should be a good bit better than .500."

- Howard Megdal

Translation - let us give thanks that Toney Douglas and Mike Bibby are not relied upon to initiate the offense.

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10/18/2012  12:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/18/2012  12:44 PM
misterearl wrote:The Answer Man Wonders What Part Of Lin-Free Do You Not Understand?

NYKBocker wrote:I am a Lin supporter. Dolan hater. I am indifferent with the Knicks right now.

NYKBocker - Does being indifferent about the Knicks translate into a behavior that one may only get moderately pleased when the Knicks win and will passionately bitch and moan at every Knicks loss?

Please re-note, a friendly reminder, this remains a Lin-free zone.

NYKBocker - This is a win now team and I think they have a 2-3 year window.

There is no 2-3 year window. Patrick Ewing had around a ten year window that was both exciting and frustrating. We plays 'em one game at a time.

NYKBocker - I like JR Smith at that spot but he is a timebomb.

A. John Starks was a timebomb and we loved him for it.

NYKBocker - Can (Brewer) hit an open shot?

A. Yes, yes he can. More important, he is a student of the game.

Just wanted to state where I am coming from. I did not mention anything about Lin just where I stand.

Indifferent meaning my interest seemed to have have waned. I don't think I will setup my schedule around Knick games anymore. It could change but I don't know. I will be pleased when they win but I will not bitch or moan when they lose. I will just look at it as...meh..**** happens.

2-3 Year window is my opinion. Contracts for the Big 3 are over in 3 years. They won't be the same in year 3. You think they are re-signing STAT? You think Kidd can more than 3 years? How about the other vets?

Starks was a timebomb in the games. JR is a timebomb in games and against team chemistry. Starks was a bulldog and did not back down. Can you say the same about JR?

I am really not that familiar with Brewer as an outside shooter. It is an actual question.

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10/18/2012  1:04 PM
misterearl wrote:En Garde

"the Knicks can expect slightly better point guard play this year, the point guard play should be miles ahead of last season’s production in 40 of the 66 games. Take (cough) out of the equation, and for 61 percent of the season, the Knicks had a point guard PER of 7.8. The team’s record over those 40 games? Exactly 20-20.

The returning point guards this season each bested 13 in PER last year, and call me a ****eyed optimist, but I think Prigioni is a good bet to best 7.8 as well. So if the Knicks get nothing more from any other position-and keep in mind, Amar’e Stoudemire played in only 25 of those 40 games, with most of those 25 coming early as he worked to get himself back into shape following last summer’s back surgery - they should still be a better than .500 team. If the degree of improvement at point guard is as dramatic as it appears, they should be a good bit better than .500."

- Howard Megdal

Translation - let us give thanks that Toney Douglas and Mike Bibby are not relied upon to initiate the offense.

additional subtitle to translation - Thankfully, BDiddy will be a consultant this season.

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10/18/2012  2:34 PM
jrodmc wrote:Melo as a passer is underrated.

[Steps back, waits]

Yep... he is a bit short of a black hole... so lets call him gray hole.
Seriously why the hell the finisher should pass to anybody. Shoot the damm ball.
Melo will never be Kobe-like - no brain, no leadership, no determination, just talent and ego.
he will never be a jack-a..sss of Kobe proportions too. But who cares if you win it all.

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10/18/2012  2:37 PM
arkrud wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Melo as a passer is underrated.

[Steps back, waits]

Yep... he is a bit short of a black hole... so lets call him gray hole.
Seriously why the hell the finisher should pass to anybody. Shoot the damm ball.
Melo will never be Kobe-like - no brain, no leadership, no determination, just talent and ego.
he will never be a jack-a..sss of Kobe proportions too. But who cares if you win it all.

Never see anyone criticize Durant when he averages 2.8 assists for his career.

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10/18/2012  2:44 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
arkrud wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Melo as a passer is underrated.

[Steps back, waits]

Yep... he is a bit short of a black hole... so lets call him gray hole.
Seriously why the hell the finisher should pass to anybody. Shoot the damm ball.
Melo will never be Kobe-like - no brain, no leadership, no determination, just talent and ego.
he will never be a jack-a..sss of Kobe proportions too. But who cares if you win it all.

Never see anyone criticize Durant when he averages 2.8 assists for his career.

well to be fair durant is probably a top 3 player and has been to the finals. I agree with you but its tough to knock him that much when he has had a ton of success by age 24

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ChuckBuck wrote:
NUPE wrote:
arkrud wrote:In NBA level of competition (not preseason level) the ability to execute is paramount.
Team can get away without PG who can run the team if other players can create their own shot and facilitate.
We do not have this players so we will do as far as our PGs will take us.

With egos like Melo, JR, and STAT we had to go with PGs who can dictate the game and refuse them the ball if they are not working hard for the position or not running the sets.
It was no way Melo will go with the program running by Lin or any other young PG.
Not sure about Felton but Kid and Prigs will not give a dam about Melo or anybody else complains.
Lin place is with the young rebuilding team and he get it.
I think with all bitterness some fans have this is a happy ending for everybody involved and the only possible one.

Melo can't create his own shot now

I seem to recall Melo playing some point-forward and players like Bibby, Fields and Douglas missing numerous wide open shots for weeks and weeks.

For what it's worth, I'd prefer the Knicks have a good pg so that Melo can focus on doing what he does best, scoring and rebounding.

So that's what that abortion of an experiment was called last year by D'Antoni!

And I here I thought Melo never bought into MDA system.

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10/18/2012  3:19 PM
arkrud wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Melo as a passer is underrated.

[Steps back, waits]

Yep... he is a bit short of a black hole... so lets call him gray hole.
Seriously why the hell the finisher should pass to anybody. Shoot the damm ball.
Melo will never be Kobe-like - no brain, no leadership, no determination, just talent and ego.
he will never be a jack-a..sss of Kobe proportions too. But who cares if you win it all.

Melo never had the surrounding cast as Kobe either, but that's another topic entirely isn't it...For kicks, take a look at Kobe's team records when he didn't have Shaq and Gasol next to him...Some years not even .500...So make of it what u will...I haven't seen one man win an NBA title yet..You?

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10/18/2012  3:36 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
arkrud wrote:
jrodmc wrote:Melo as a passer is underrated.

[Steps back, waits]

Yep... he is a bit short of a black hole... so lets call him gray hole.
Seriously why the hell the finisher should pass to anybody. Shoot the damm ball.
Melo will never be Kobe-like - no brain, no leadership, no determination, just talent and ego.
he will never be a jack-a..sss of Kobe proportions too. But who cares if you win it all.

Never see anyone criticize Durant when he averages 2.8 assists for his career.

his passing and his defense are not good but he makes up for it with his incredible offensive game.

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