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EnySpree
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3/19/2004  3:58 PM
Wallace will resign with Detroit especially if they go to the finals.

Now what do the Knicks beat writers have to debate about over the summer?
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3/19/2004  4:20 PM
its not a given.. What it really comes down to is how much the Pistons value Okur. They are only $11 or $12 mill under the cap so they probably wont be able to resign both. They may decide to let the 24 year old Okur walk and give Rasheed $10 mill... its tough to call.
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3/19/2004  4:30 PM
and if Detroit goes hard after Wallace, the Knicks should quickly offer Okur the MLE for 3 years and promise to sign him BIG after that.
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3/19/2004  5:28 PM
I don't think Detroit making the Finals is a given, though they are playing really well right now. The Playoffs will be interesting in the East, a lot of similar teams.

If Rasheed doesn't sign with the Knicks there are still plenty of viable options. Okur, Rodney White, Stromile Swift, Chris Anderson, etc. I wouldn't panic.
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3/19/2004  5:32 PM
we have no chnace to get either player 0/100 time to move on and look at some reality based options. I still believe going through the draft for a C is the best option. Play whoever it is behind nazr for 18 minutes and let them expand their games that way. It's a fantasy to think we are winning the championship anytime soon. We need to find the smartest route to get a C in here. So far I was extreemly impressed with two C who are supposedly going mid range. I really like what I saw out of Rajauo last night, he's really skilled and has a lot of heart at 6-11 285. He reminded me right away of Brad Miller with more muscle and well advanced game at the same age. David Harrison is an athletic 7-0 270 and will be an impact player right away--both of these guys are impact players in a core off the bench. You build up enough bulk like Arujou Sweetney--and these guys are young--you are doing something. If you want to keep Deke or have some fantasy trade for eric dampier I dont think so. We need to continue to think young--we have enough vets. For a great improvement next year we need a player who can play 1-2 and a C--getting better in the nBA is a process--were not winning anything for years.
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3/19/2004  5:48 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

I don't think Detroit making the Finals is a given, though they are playing really well right now. The Playoffs will be interesting in the East, a lot of similar teams.

If Rasheed doesn't sign with the Knicks there are still plenty of viable options. Okur, Rodney White, Stromile Swift, Chris Anderson, etc. I wouldn't panic.

Is Stromile a free agent next year? I think Isiah would jump on him.

I trust Isiah with whatever he does with the team. He's definately not blind or scared to make a trade. I just Know Wallace won't be in our plans.
Stromile is just a athlete right now....Knicks need more than that.

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3/19/2004  5:50 PM
Enybody sick of KT yet?

He's just a jump shooter right now. I think he slows the Knicks up at times.
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3/19/2004  6:05 PM
i tell you why we don't have a shot at swift either.


number 1 he already makes a base salary close to the mLE.
number 2 he is a core player who averagres 10 points 5 rebounds 2 blocks on a winning team in 20 minutes of play. He can play 4-5 start or come off the bench, so to me I see them either trading swift and or resigning swift [because they can match any reasonable offer] no team is going to blow away stromile with 10mm a year. For 5mm bucks his play merits his pay in this league.


people keep talking about chris andresen, but we dont need a back up garbage man power forward--we already have swetney for that job.

what we need are

a. a young BIg C
B a back up 1 who can also play 2
C a wing player who can shoot it rebound the ball and bring size to the backcourt or back up 3


I see B+C as something we can acheive cheaply if we are agressive. Getting into the mid first round of the draft will be the hard part IF any of the players are even left. Thats the smartest and most reasonable way to upgrade that position. A guy who is established in the NBA is not attainable. You have to have some faith in the drafting system. What we need to find is a team looking for cap space for a FA this year who may want to defer the pick to another year or someone who wants KT--like that SA deal that didnt go down.
Rafael Araujo thats my draft pick in the mid round follwed closely by D Harrison. Harrison more talent Araujo big heart but still has good skill and doesnt take plays off. NY fans would love him, thats the only downside on Harrison is his heart--but he has Shaq like C skills and athletiscm. Im telling you, if we got Arajuo, wed have a succcessful offseason. He needs no babying--hes ready to go and he is a wall.
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3/19/2004  6:09 PM
it would have been smart to role the dice with KT. they shouldve held on to their wallets and waited until after the season. If by chance he took off, i don't see it as a big loss. maybe he doesnt get any solid offers or offers close to what the knicks paid him, then we hold everything by the cahones. He's played so poorly we need him to have 5-6 20-10 games going down the stretch to interest anyone IMHO.
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3/19/2004  6:55 PM
BRIGGS... Det cant resign both Okur and Wallace, plain and simple, so it comes down to who they want. If they decide to resign Okur who is 24 then look at Wallace's options:
Pho - selling team
LAC - doesnt sign FAs
Den - this is actually possible, but I heard they will offer KMART max $$$
Atl - they are building around Rasheed?
Spurs - After the resign Ginobili they wont have more than a MLE offer theirselves.
Utah - cmon...

Which leaves MLE offers... and us. I dont think its likely we sign him, but to say there is ZERO chance is like me saying there is ZERO chance David Harrison is anything more than Felton Spencer part II.
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martin
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3/19/2004  6:58 PM
Posted by fishmike:

BRIGGS... Det cant resign both Okur and Wallace, plain and simple, so it comes down to who they want. If they decide to resign Okur who is 24 then look at Wallace's options:
Pho - selling team
LAC - doesnt sign FAs
Den - this is actually possible, but I heard they will offer KMART max $$$
Atl - they are building around Rasheed?
Spurs - After the resign Ginobili they wont have more than a MLE offer theirselves.
Utah - cmon...

Which leaves MLE offers... and us. I dont think its likely we sign him, but to say there is ZERO chance is like me saying there is ZERO chance David Harrison is anything more than Felton Spencer part II.

I say that Dumar's decision on the Weed v Okur decision will be determined on how far they go in the playoffs and how they do against the West. Reach the finals and don't do too bad, Wallace is signed big time.

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3/19/2004  7:03 PM
Hmm u make it sound like its a sure thing that he wont
sign wit us.
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3/19/2004  7:11 PM
no chance, none nada. They will resign Rasheed first because they have milicic and if some team like Denver or Utah want to give Okur 8mm+ let them. I don't think Isiah is an Okur guy anyway. If you want me to appease you how about

1/100 for wallace


i like harrison but araujo is my man--thats my pick and everyone will see why. I hope Isiah gets to take look at him in game situations because he is a player who is ready made for the NBA--he is probably better than Okur right now anyway. Harrison there is more a risk reward scenario, thats why he may go higher into the first round. Araujo is going to be a STEAL. I saw him last year and he wasnt the player he was this year-he's much stronger has very nice devloped post moves and can shoot from 16 feet.And he is an absolute BULL--while not a great shot blocker he is a space eater a lane clogger and he will overpower 99% of NBA players right now. He doesnt have Ok4 skills or athletic ability, but he is a pure 5 and a legit 6-11 285 with 7% body fat. I think finding a mid round pick will be much easier than obtaining an exsisting player.

this is briggs ofseason hope because it has a realistic posibility hes not a projected lottery pick and we can get into that 14-20 zone.



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3/19/2004  7:12 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

it would have been smart to role the dice with KT. they shouldve held on to their wallets and waited until after the season. If by chance he took off, i don't see it as a big loss. maybe he doesnt get any solid offers or offers close to what the knicks paid him, then we hold everything by the cahones. He's played so poorly we need him to have 5-6 20-10 games going down the stretch to interest anyone IMHO.

Disagree with you here. KT is a very, very tradable asset, no way I would let him go for nothing. Unfortunately, I think he is only tradable to a playoff team - a team without picks and/or young pups.
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fishmike
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3/19/2004  7:12 PM
I dont disagree... very possible, but one thing is for certain and thats that thy wont sign both. Now if Det resign Sheed I do agree we have no shot at Okur who could get $8 mill (like Nesterovich) from Utah or Atl.
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martin
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3/19/2004  7:20 PM
What's the status on signing Baker for next year? Do the Knicks have to use the MLE? If so, that could be it.
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3/19/2004  7:26 PM
Who knows but I will say this, IF somehow we can manuever into the draft and get Rafeal, EVERY single person here plus all NY fans will love him. Hes going to be a better version of Brad Miller and he will be able to play right away. He would be 24 years old when the season started next year, fully developed body, mentality--no babying proces and this guy has exciting skills for a big man. Patrick Ewing David Robinson? NO! NO! NO! Tougher potentially better version of Brad Miller with more muscle? IMHO absolutely


Rafeal please Isiah let the big men dominate!
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3/19/2004  7:29 PM
hes not getting an mle from anyone--i dont think. we dont need to use any exemptions on him because he is already on our team. i would like to resign him to something like 1 year 2.5 mm
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3/19/2004  7:45 PM
Right on Briggs, I saw Araujo play yesterday in the NCAA and he's an absolute bull. Definitely a guy with potential to play C in the NBA.

how do you recommend they get him though? trade up to the first round or you think he'll fall to the 2nd round. araujo will be a nice player in the nba, he's so strong and thick, he's almost immovable it looked like to box out or push out of the paint.
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3/19/2004  11:49 PM
our best chance is probably Seatle's pick.. something like Kurt and Frank for Booth and Seatle's #1. Then maybe you can go trade Nazr (who's value I believe is rising).
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