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A Tree Grows in Madison Square Garden: Woody Shows Growth
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nixluva
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10/7/2012  11:08 PM
I was very critical of Woody last year and wondered out loud just what kind of coach he would be in a normal full 82 game season as opposed to short and spirited sprint to the playoffs as in last year.
I've been surprised by his dedication to doing EVERYTHING he could possibly do to make sure he gives his team every chance to succeed. His exit interviews were full of directives for players to get in better shape, improve their skills and to take a more professional attitude about their careers.
He then followed that up with setting up workouts and help with training and just meeting to talk to players and get in their heads. The most recent thing that really caught my attention was his statement about what he'd do offensively.

“I like some of Mike [D'Antoni]‘s offensive stuff and we will keep some of his offensive plays this year, but I have some sets that I like to run that will utilize guys closer to the bucket and Amar’e's one of those guys we’ll have to try to take advantage of and use him down there.”

This shows a level of humility that is rare. He wasn't too proud to say that he picked up some things from MDA and will continue to use some of it along with his own plays to form an offense that will best fit the roster he has. To make a tailor fitted offense that can work for everyone and not just for specific players. That's a good sign for a coach that wants to improve and do everything he can to win. So far he's done everything he could to help this team get better. It shows that he's given it great thought over the summer and took into account the players he has and what he thinks will work best. That doesn't guarantee anything, but it does show a level of commitment to improving his team. I'm pulling for him to be successful cuz he doesn't seem to have any agenda accept winning and that's all I care about.

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10/7/2012  11:28 PM
I wanted to further add that from what i've seen of the Knicks players they all look to be in TREMENDOUS shape. KT looks like he dropped 20 pounds from last year! Felton is WAY smaller than last year. STAT, Melo and JR smith all look to be much lighter and Melo in particular has bulked up in the upper body. His chest and arms are more defined and bigger this year. Kidd also looks to have trimmed down. Despite the jokes about old guys getting hurt, in truth all of these guys are in much better shape than recent years!!!

I think you can see some of what i'm talking about in these videos and pics on this web page. Just keep scrolling down to see more of the vids and pics.

http://www.postingandtoasting.com/2012/10/7/3468938/notes-from-day-six-of-knicks-training-camp

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10/7/2012  11:29 PM
Well he ran most of MDA's plays in his 18-6 run to end the season, so thats a no brainer..He really had no offensive playbook in ATL, back then there was a ton of ISO's for JJ, and josh smith..

I kept saying this in my "DAMN WOODSON MDA'S MAKING YOU LOOK BAD" thread. Woodson has never really been an offensive minded coach, which IMO is just as bad as MDA not being a defensive minded coach

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10/8/2012  12:08 AM
He has been very impressive. He is open minded and willing to change. He communicates to his players how he wants them to improve. He gives guys oppurtunitirs to improve their craft. Some guys have called him a father figure. He has his high school coach is his advisor. He has a lot of character.
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10/8/2012  12:23 AM
A tree grows, Shade out of the sun, pour a nice glass of Kool Aid relax!

6 days of practice and Nix pretends like he is there.

No cred.

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10/8/2012  12:33 AM
Nalod wrote:A tree grows, Shade out of the sun, pour a nice glass of Kool Aid relax!

6 days of practice and Nix pretends like he is there.

No cred.

I think Woodson saying he liked some of what mike ran on offense was the reason for the start of the thread. Woodson has been very impressive since he got the job. Crediting a peer and the previous head coach with influencing him is classy. Woodson could have been extreme and been the anti mike. I think he has hsndled things well.

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10/8/2012  12:47 AM
I've been commenting on how Woody has handled himself and the team all summer and this is just a continuation of my observations. It's been a very interesting thing to watch Woody do his job with this team. He's been as active as any coach I can remember since the end of the season. The players all seem to have responded to his call to come into camp in better shape. As I noted above nearly every player has come back improved in terms of their pre camp fitness level. It's not that i've just arbitrarily decided to back Woody. I've based it on how he's actually done his job so far. After the 18-6 record he needed to back that up with some real effort on his part. He's done that. At this early stage that's all you can ask until the season actually starts. However, I like what he's done to prep his team both physically and mentally so far. Anyone who wants to poo poo this is fine, but also consider that you can't really quibble with all the things he's done so far and that's what i'm commenting on.
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10/8/2012  12:52 AM
nixluva wrote:I've been commenting on how Woody has handled himself and the team all summer and this is just a continuation of my observations. It's been a very interesting thing to watch Woody do his job with this team. He's been as active as any coach I can remember since the end of the season. The players all seem to have responded to his call to come into camp in better shape. As I noted above nearly every player has come back improved in terms of their pre camp fitness level. It's not that i've just arbitrarily decided to back Woody. I've based it on how he's actually done his job so far. After the 18-6 record he needed to back that up with some real effort on his part. He's done that. At this early stage that's all you can ask until the season actually starts. However, I like what he's done to prep his team both physically and mentally so far. Anyone who wants to poo poo this is fine, but also consider that you can't really quibble with all the things he's done so far and that's what i'm commenting on.

You have been complimentary of woody and his achievements. Sorry if it seemed I mi imized your reasons for the thread.

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10/8/2012  4:27 AM
I have respect for any coach or player that I perceive is giving their all for the team I love. I gt the sense that Woody is proud of being the coach of the Knicks and he's taken this job as serious as a heart attack. He hasn't taken anything for granted. Woody isn't jaded as I think MDA certainly was after all that went down. MDA had lost the passion for the job. I sense that Woody has a fire burning in him to be successful here. I get the sense that he realizes just how precious this opportunity is. Some Knick fans are pessimistic about this team's chances but I bet if you ask Woody he'd say that he thinks he can win with this team. That's the mental approach I think you must have.

It's like when you finally buy that car you've been dying to have and when you get it your out their polishing it and getting all the special parts that will make it better and you do all the tune ups and oil changes yourself just cuz it means that much to you. That's how Woody has taken to the job of running this team. He's been nurturing it and building it up and checking on everyone the entire time. That's the kind of passion and dedication I want to see from the head coach of this team. I just think too many fans are overlooking that aspect of how he's doing his job.

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10/8/2012  6:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/8/2012  6:10 AM
Woodson's Hawks got better every year he was coach during the regular season. He is a very good coach during the regular season, the real test of his growth will come in the playoffs where he's has had little success. With all the injuries the team suffered last season, I didn't expect much in last season's playoffs, but at the same time I expected more from Woodson as far as adjustments. Id have to go back and read the game threads to see what specifically I didn't like. I know I wasn't the only one finding fault with his game plan.

In the end, even if he had made the right calls, the Knicks still would have lost. This season, Woodson's coaching in the playoffs (I'm confident they will make it) could be the deicding factor. If there is any growth, thats where I want to see it.

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10/8/2012  9:27 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/8/2012  9:37 AM
Grasshopper Listened to Master Po, Sometimes

nixluva - is it really Mike Woodson who has shown the growth, or have you simply opened your mind to see him for what he is?

Does the mere fact that Woodson (humility or matter-of factly?) acknowledged D'Antoni suddenly validate your fierce loyalty to the departed head coach?

Now that you have let go of pre-judging Woodson due to your loyalty to Mike D'Antoni, does that make Woodson a better coach, or the coach he always was?

There is a confident charm to his interaction with people up close. I have met Mike Woodson. His Atlanta experience, with an immature group that he built into a playoff level team, has probably given him more respect for veteran leadership. The Hawks pouted openly and played a selfish brand of basketball that leaned heavily on individual play on both ends. Woodson tried to preach a different line but it fell on stubborn ears. The stars won. Woodson was gone.

The cool part about Woodson is that he is old school enough to have a personal connection to Red Holzman, and new school enough to be tight with Hakeem Olajuwon. That allows Woodson the precious gift of generational crossover. The spark in his eyes resembles that of a young man. His poise reflects decades of wisdom. He talks. Players listen.

Yes, Woodson has the players attention. The hands-on offseason, including enrolling Amar'e in Hakeem University for undergraduate studies, has been like no other Knicks coach we can remember. That is a good thing. Woodson's bold move to invite Rasheed Wallace to training camp is another example of a relationship card being called in. Sheed not only took the call but showed up in Greenburgh. You get the veterans to buy in and the yoots have no choice but to follow. That is how you build the thing.

Stay tuned.

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10/8/2012  10:04 AM
misterearl wrote:Grasshopper Listened to Master Po, Sometimes

nixluva - is it really Mike Woodson who has shown the growth, or have you simply opened your mind to see him for what he is?

Does the mere fact that Woodson (humility or matter-of factly?) acknowledged D'Antoni suddenly validate your fierce loyalty to the departed head coach?

Now that you have let go of pre-judging Woodson due to your loyalty to Mike D'Antoni, does that make Woodson a better coach, or the coach he always was?

There is a confident charm to his interaction with people up close. I have met Mike Woodson. His Atlanta experience, with an immature group that he built into a playoff level team, has probably given him more respect for veteran leadership. The Hawks pouted openly and played a selfish brand of basketball that leaned heavily on individual play on both ends. Woodson tried to preach a different line but it fell on stubborn ears. The stars won. Woodson was gone.

The cool part about Woodson is that he is old school enough to have a personal connection to Red Holzman, and new school enough to be tight with Hakeem Olajuwon. That allows Woodson the precious gift of generational crossover. The spark in his eyes resembles that of a young man. His poise reflects decades of wisdom. He talks. Players listen.

Yes, Woodson has the players attention. The hands-on offseason, including enrolling Amar'e in Hakeem University for undergraduate studies, has been like no other Knicks coach we can remember. That is a good thing. Woodson's bold move to invite Rasheed Wallace to training camp is another example of a relationship card being called in. Sheed not only took the call but showed up in Greenburgh. You get the veterans to buy in and the yoots have no choice but to follow. That is how you build the thing.

Stay tuned.

What youths?

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10/8/2012  10:13 AM
My Cousin VCoug

VCoug wrote:
misterearl wrote:Grasshopper Listened to Master Po, Sometimes

nixluva - is it really Mike Woodson who has shown the growth, or have you simply opened your mind to see him for what he is?

Does the mere fact that Woodson (humility or matter-of factly?) acknowledged D'Antoni suddenly validate your fierce loyalty to the departed head coach?

Now that you have let go of pre-judging Woodson due to your loyalty to Mike D'Antoni, does that make Woodson a better coach, or the coach he always was?

There is a confident charm to his interaction with people up close. I have met Mike Woodson. His Atlanta experience, with an immature group that he built into a playoff level team, has probably given him more respect for veteran leadership. The Hawks pouted openly and played a selfish brand of basketball that leaned heavily on individual play on both ends. Woodson tried to preach a different line but it fell on stubborn ears. The stars won. Woodson was gone.

The cool part about Woodson is that he is old school enough to have a personal connection to Red Holzman, and new school enough to be tight with Hakeem Olajuwon. That allows Woodson the precious gift of generational crossover. The spark in his eyes resembles that of a young man. His poise reflects decades of wisdom. He talks. Players listen.

Yes, Woodson has the players attention. The hands-on offseason, including enrolling Amar'e in Hakeem University for undergraduate studies, has been like no other Knicks coach we can remember. That is a good thing. Woodson's bold move to invite Rasheed Wallace to training camp is another example of a relationship card being called in. Sheed not only took the call but showed up in Greenburgh. You get the veterans to buy in and the yoots have no choice but to follow. That is how you build the thing.

Stay tuned.

What youths?

Did you say youths?

What's a youth?

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10/8/2012  10:20 AM
misterearl wrote:My Cousin VCoug

VCoug wrote:
misterearl wrote:Grasshopper Listened to Master Po, Sometimes

nixluva - is it really Mike Woodson who has shown the growth, or have you simply opened your mind to see him for what he is?

Does the mere fact that Woodson (humility or matter-of factly?) acknowledged D'Antoni suddenly validate your fierce loyalty to the departed head coach?

Now that you have let go of pre-judging Woodson due to your loyalty to Mike D'Antoni, does that make Woodson a better coach, or the coach he always was?

There is a confident charm to his interaction with people up close. I have met Mike Woodson. His Atlanta experience, with an immature group that he built into a playoff level team, has probably given him more respect for veteran leadership. The Hawks pouted openly and played a selfish brand of basketball that leaned heavily on individual play on both ends. Woodson tried to preach a different line but it fell on stubborn ears. The stars won. Woodson was gone.

The cool part about Woodson is that he is old school enough to have a personal connection to Red Holzman, and new school enough to be tight with Hakeem Olajuwon. That allows Woodson the precious gift of generational crossover. The spark in his eyes resembles that of a young man. His poise reflects decades of wisdom. He talks. Players listen.

Yes, Woodson has the players attention. The hands-on offseason, including enrolling Amar'e in Hakeem University for undergraduate studies, has been like no other Knicks coach we can remember. That is a good thing. Woodson's bold move to invite Rasheed Wallace to training camp is another example of a relationship card being called in. Sheed not only took the call but showed up in Greenburgh. You get the veterans to buy in and the yoots have no choice but to follow. That is how you build the thing.

Stay tuned.

What youths?

Did you say youths?

What's a youth?

My cousin Vinny

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10/8/2012  12:51 PM
Slow It Down

IrishKnicksFan - the correct pronunciation is yoots

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10/8/2012  12:57 PM
misterearl wrote:Slow It Down

IrishKnicksFan - the correct pronunciation is yoots

i know that i just wanted to annoy you lol

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10/8/2012  1:07 PM
I like Woody and think he'll do fine but portraying him as "Joe Clark"

or Mark Thackeray (Sidney Poitier) is kind of a stretch.

Didn't Isiah try to be a sort of authority figure to these pro athletes and it not really work well did it?

This team has talent but push comes to shove the juice card is with the contract a player holds.

There should be enough leadership on this team to carry it very far if its a unified effort.

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10/8/2012  1:08 PM
IrishKnicks - your feeble attempt to distract The Answer Man was pinned against the glass.

What are your thoughts on Mike Woodson as a crossover coach who owes anything to Mike D'Antoni?

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10/8/2012  1:18 PM
misterearl wrote:IrishKnicks - your feeble attempt to distract The Answer Man was pinned against the glass.

What are your thoughts on Mike Woodson as a crossover coach who owes anything to Mike D'Antoni?

well you have been direspectful to me even when i was being respectful to you so just smarten up a little. Anyway I dont think he owes anything to MDA but i think he realizes that Mike was a good offensive coach so thats why he will use some of his plays

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10/8/2012  1:29 PM
IrishKnicksFan - no one was disrespectful to you. No one. If you cannot absorb a baby tap perhaps you would be happier in the Sesame Street Forum down the hall.

Go Knicks.

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A Tree Grows in Madison Square Garden: Woody Shows Growth

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