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BigSm00th
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3/18/2004  8:02 PM
I was just thinking about the hypothetical deals proposed recently on the board, a few for Vince Carter (though I doubt he gets traded) and a few for Iverson.

ESPN Insider today is an article on how the Magic should trade McGrady because he'll leave anyway after next year when he opts out of his contract, so why not get rid of him NOW and get something in return for him.

This got me thinking, the Magic have 3-4 bad contracts on their roster. Looking at it, I realized they have McGrady, Grant Hill, Pat Garrity, and Juwan Howard all inked to long deals. In addition, first rounder Reece Gaines hasn't worked out.

So if they lose McGrady and still have three bad contracts on their roster, what use is it.

Would the make a midseason trade next year when they're losing, the fans aren't showing up, and TMac is going to bounce in a few months? I think so.

Knicks trade: Harrington, Mutumbo, Frank Williams, Trybanski, PHardaway, Anderson, future draft picks.
Magic trade: McGrady, Hill, Gaines, Howard, and Garrity.

If they're going to stink, might as well be bad at it. They give up McGrady (who will bolt), Hill (signed until after the 07 season), Garrity (inked a multi-year extension this offseason, I believe it expires after 07), Howard (signed until after the 09 season), and the bust in Gaines. They receive $10 million coming off the cap, so that essentially cancels out McGrady leaving.

Then, Penny Hardaway comes off the books after the 06 season, and Anderson is gone after the 07 season.

If the Magic are getting other bad deals which won't significantly change thier roster or they get this deal, where they will stink for a few years and then have nobody on the books and a ton of draft picks, would they do it?
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3/18/2004  9:51 PM
Posted by BigSm00th:

I was just thinking about the hypothetical deals proposed recently on the board, a few for Vince Carter (though I doubt he gets traded) and a few for Iverson.

ESPN Insider today is an article on how the Magic should trade McGrady because he'll leave anyway after next year when he opts out of his contract, so why not get rid of him NOW and get something in return for him.

This got me thinking, the Magic have 3-4 bad contracts on their roster. Looking at it, I realized they have McGrady, Grant Hill, Pat Garrity, and Juwan Howard all inked to long deals. In addition, first rounder Reece Gaines hasn't worked out.

So if they lose McGrady and still have three bad contracts on their roster, what use is it.

Would the make a midseason trade next year when they're losing, the fans aren't showing up, and TMac is going to bounce in a few months? I think so.

Knicks trade: Harrington, Mutumbo, Frank Williams, Trybanski, PHardaway, Anderson, future draft picks.
Magic trade: McGrady, Hill, Gaines, Howard, and Garrity.

If they're going to stink, might as well be bad at it. They give up McGrady (who will bolt), Hill (signed until after the 07 season), Garrity (inked a multi-year extension this offseason, I believe it expires after 07), Howard (signed until after the 09 season), and the bust in Gaines. They receive $10 million coming off the cap, so that essentially cancels out McGrady leaving.

Then, Penny Hardaway comes off the books after the 06 season, and Anderson is gone after the 07 season.

If the Magic are getting other bad deals which won't significantly change thier roster or they get this deal, where they will stink for a few years and then have nobody on the books and a ton of draft picks, would they do it?

The Knicks could only get TMac for a deal around Marbury. Do you seriously thinka gm would trade a player like TMac (whos coming off the books anayway if he leaves)for crap? Carter is much more realistic.
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3/18/2004  10:07 PM
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Posted by BigSm00th:

I was just thinking about the hypothetical deals proposed recently on the board, a few for Vince Carter (though I doubt he gets traded) and a few for Iverson.

ESPN Insider today is an article on how the Magic should trade McGrady because he'll leave anyway after next year when he opts out of his contract, so why not get rid of him NOW and get something in return for him.

This got me thinking, the Magic have 3-4 bad contracts on their roster. Looking at it, I realized they have McGrady, Grant Hill, Pat Garrity, and Juwan Howard all inked to long deals. In addition, first rounder Reece Gaines hasn't worked out.

So if they lose McGrady and still have three bad contracts on their roster, what use is it.

Would the make a midseason trade next year when they're losing, the fans aren't showing up, and TMac is going to bounce in a few months? I think so.

Knicks trade: Harrington, Mutumbo, Frank Williams, Trybanski, PHardaway, Anderson, future draft picks.
Magic trade: McGrady, Hill, Gaines, Howard, and Garrity.

If they're going to stink, might as well be bad at it. They give up McGrady (who will bolt), Hill (signed until after the 07 season), Garrity (inked a multi-year extension this offseason, I believe it expires after 07), Howard (signed until after the 09 season), and the bust in Gaines. They receive $10 million coming off the cap, so that essentially cancels out McGrady leaving.

Then, Penny Hardaway comes off the books after the 06 season, and Anderson is gone after the 07 season.

If the Magic are getting other bad deals which won't significantly change thier roster or they get this deal, where they will stink for a few years and then have nobody on the books and a ton of draft picks, would they do it?

The Knicks could only get TMac for a deal around Marbury. Do you seriously thinka gm would trade a player like TMac (whos coming off the books anayway if he leaves)for crap? Carter is much more realistic.

That carter deal is completely far fetched. Probably a trade for mcgrady is too...but orlando is more likely to trade tmac than toronto is to trade VC
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3/18/2004  11:11 PM
I don't think we have a shot at any of those guys... If McGrady does move, how about:

Kobe for TMac.

Kobe comes off the blocks this year with a player option and has expressed his intent on leaving LA.

If McGrady is looking ot get out soon, Orlando can get a sure thing in Kobe. McGrady's max contract turns into a player option in 2005. The same year as Shaq's expires. McGrady and Shaq would be just as formidable as Kobe and Shaq, and it lasts for two more seasons. Kobe could very well resign with Orlando.
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3/19/2004  12:16 AM
I could see the Magic trading McGrady to get rid of Hill and Howard's contracts.
We'll be deeper in the hole... capwise.. but we'd have a championship team.
We'd have to offer another pick.. but I think it's doable.

We'll have to see how the relationship between TMac and his management proogresses next season.
McGrady might just get sick of losing without a proper supporting cast and demand a trade. If that happens..
I could see our trade working out... unless some other team screws us and offers to take on those contracts and give away more talent.

[Edited by - nyvector16 on 03/19/2004 00:17:34]
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3/19/2004  12:17 AM
I doubt Kobe would agree to play in Orlando because there wouldn't be enough complimentary players around him.
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3/19/2004  7:16 AM
why would kobe want to stay in orlanco while Tmac wouldn't ?

No chance we can get Tmac for the crap we have. we'd have to give up all the assets we have (franck, sweet, demaar, KT...) and i'm sure it wouldn't be even enough.
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3/19/2004  8:01 AM
i agree that we have a better shot getting kobe than t-mac. i will tell you right now, the mere mention of t-mac on the trading block will cause teams to call orlando and offer half their roster. they will have far batter deals than any we give. t-mac is probably, besides duncan and garnett, the most coveted superstar in the league right now. you don't think other teams will make incredible deals? at least kobe hinted to people that he would like to play for new york. that is more leverage than t-mac who has said that he did not want to play in ny. acquiring kobe, iverson and even carter is more realistic than the pipe dream of t-mac ( even though i think ALL of them are pipe dreams).
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3/19/2004  9:49 AM
All this talk of Kobe is nice... but the guy might be wearing stripes comet his time next year.
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3/19/2004  11:39 AM
The only way that we can get T-Mac is if we kidnap him.
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3/19/2004  2:02 PM
Wake up! We have NO chance at either of these guys unless we trade marbury, and I'm not sure that really helps us. Give up the fantasies of giving up crap to land these guys.
fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
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