Nalod wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:C'mon Nalod.

I have no problem with analysts picking on the knicks and I like Barkely alot and I am not saying that he is wrong, BUT ... We all know that he hates the knicks since Ewing.

It all gets posted. Hollinger and Barkley all get posted. This is where UK can then say what a dick Barkley is and what not.

So what if another post about someone hating on the team spews out the same old same old.

For me this just adds to the intrigue and as a fan to see how it all pans out. We read all kinds of stuff how players working on this and that, at Tim Grovers getting skinny, with Hakeem getting moves, etc etc.........

Im skeptical, but fans can do that right? Be skeptical?

I hope Knicks finish in first and N*ts right behind them ahead of boston!

Barkley hates the knicks for what happend with Ewing is not beyond the truth. Its not like the knicks have proven him all that wroing either!

Absolutely agree.

But, his opinion though possibly valid by luck renders itself to be useless based on his buddy. And that is fine and I love watching the guy - he is very entertaining.

I like what Woodson has done with the knicks, he has gotten melo and amare to play defense, ray felton has been marvelous..and I think the knicks are turning it around real nicely..

I think the Nets need to get deeper, there going to make the playoffs probably 8th seed at best, but thats it..brook lopez is soft, and at 7 0" ft tall he should be avg more then 5 rbs..

Barkely Your a TNT mascott brother..Your lack of research (the knicks should have amnesty lin in his 3rd yr..really..barkdick) is embarrassing, you still talk like a 5th grader, and your comments sound like an avg fan who knows the surface of the game, but nothing to indepth..

Funny how a lot of these ppl who said we should have signed lin, were the same ppl who said he was a little overrated..

Barkely takes nothing into consideration like the lock out, amare's brother death, and his inabilty to work out last off season, melo's lights out performence in the global games, felton's chip on his shoulder and how much weight he loss this off season, our 18-6 woodson run. There's not one single positive info you have provided other than AMARE AND MELO ARE SUSPECT DEFENDERS..

The same barkley who said (in 2010) amare alone would not help the knicks get out of the altantic division basement..

A lot of you on these boards do way more research then barkley and sound way more intelligent, only he gets paid millions to be a TNT mascott, and sounds like a complete idiot sometimes..Mr flip flop

TheloniusMonk wrote:*Yawn* Barkley's annual "Nets are better than the Knicks" comment smh. And every year people talk about him maving "good points". It's a corny re-run. Barkley was even selling "the Nets are better than the Knicks" in 2010.....BEFORE J WILL. Yes, for all you Gallo, W. Chandler, Felton, Fields and Mosgov lovers, he was even selling that a horrible Net team was better and would make the playoffs over the Knicks. Instead of taking a wait and see approach, every year he jumps out the window and makes the same exact comment.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-a-playoff-team-charles-barkley-predicts-new-jersey-nets-better-year-article-1.193213

It is cool to hate on the Knicks. People almost always take the negative approach. It is what it is.

Lets See:

The media screamed that the Knicks lacked assets to get Melo THEN the same media screamed that the Knicks gave up too many assets to get Melo.
The media screamed that the Knicks would not land any major free agent (including STAT) THEN screamed STAT sucks when he signed with the Knicks.

I can tell you this. Had the Knicks matched and signed Lin the media would have screamed it is a horrible decision and Lin is not good. Note, that ESPN ranked Lin in the 70's or 80's while simultaneously screaming the KNICKS screwed up by not resigning and overpaying Lin.

NUPE wrote:

TheloniusMonk wrote:*Yawn* Barkley's annual "Nets are better than the Knicks" comment smh. And every year people talk about him maving "good points". It's a corny re-run. Barkley was even selling "the Nets are better than the Knicks" in 2010.....BEFORE J WILL. Yes, for all you Gallo, W. Chandler, Felton, Fields and Mosgov lovers, he was even selling that a horrible Net team was better and would make the playoffs over the Knicks. Instead of taking a wait and see approach, every year he jumps out the window and makes the same exact comment.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-a-playoff-team-charles-barkley-predicts-new-jersey-nets-better-year-article-1.193213

It is cool to hate on the Knicks. People almost always take the negative approach. It is what it is.

Lets See:

The media screamed that the Knicks lacked assets to get Melo THEN the same media screamed that the Knicks gave up too many assets to get Melo.
The media screamed that the Knicks would not land any major free agent (including STAT) THEN screamed STAT sucks when he signed with the Knicks.

I can tell you this. Had the Knicks matched and signed Lin the media would have screamed it is a horrible decision and Lin is not good. Note, that ESPN ranked Lin in the 70's or 80's while simultaneously screaming the KNICKS screwed up by not resigning and overpaying Lin.

Your right.

Thats why it must get settled on the court with a respectable win-Loss total.

I think its because MSG and the Media Starphuch us, we take the bait, then they pander to the popular anger of disappointment.

All the while revenue goes up.

its the base of my anger toward the team and homers.

problem is the fan base is so large MSg kills it!

Amare is on Jon Stewarts "the daily show" on comedy central promoting his childrens book. Amare is a star because we made him one.
Same for Melo. On the court they don't live up to the hype. These are damn fine players.

nixluva wrote:NALOD COME BACK TO US MAN!!! I think you are being WAY too pessimistic. I'm not sure what your exact reasoning is. Some around here simply don't like Melo and don't have any faith in Amar'e anymore. I don't know if that's is why you're so doubtful, but let me say this about the 2 best players on this team. Melo is a very talented player and if indeed Woody has his support then I don't see any real problems with Melo going forward. Melo is a much better defender than guys like Barkley ever give him credit for. The whole thing with Melo is really about playing more efficient BB.

Here's the thing. Woody is doing everything to make sure that Melo plays a more efficient game!!! You have to read between the lines a bit. He and Glen have built the team in a way that will support Melo's offensive game and also cover for him on the defensive end. We have even more defensive talent than we did to start last year. This is the one HUGE key that guys like Barkley keep missing. This team went 18-6 because of their defense. What I love about what Woody and Glen did was they doubled down on the teams strength, which now is defense!

The Nets will be a good team, but they're not built to be the kind of top tier defensive team that the Knicks will be. They'll be able to score against most teams, but they won't really stop anyone. The Knicks aren't going to be a top offense team but they should be able to score off TO's to augment the offense and win a lot of games this year. The Knicks will be a top tier defensive team this year and that's the reason to be optimistic about this team. Especially once we get Brewer and Shump going. I'm more optimistic about this team than i've ever been since the last Finals team. I think we've got ECF's talent this year. This isn't a one sided team anymore. I'm shocked that so many are sleeping on or down on the Knicks this year.

Felton and Kidd is the best PG talent we've had in years. Brewer and Shump are the best perimeter defenders we've had in years. Tyson and Camby are the best Defensive C's we've had in years. I mean just think about this team seriously. STAT and Melo are legit All Stars that have mostly been dominant throughout their careers. Both coming in healthier than they've been since coming here. This is a great NY team IMO.

I really hope we get this NIXLUVA during the season and in the game threads - not last seasons :-)

Thats not "hate" is it?

Its been way too long since there was a sincere passion towards winning and my lack of enthrallment is based on an ownership who values hype over substance.

If anyone noticed I don't harp on Melo or ride any player in particular. I see the knicks run as a sort of "broadway production" with a weak script and big name actors in the wrong roles. Like Bobby De Nero playing "King Lear", or Madonna playing the lead in Glee as a high school student. Then a big marketing campaign telling us what a big hit its going to be. The Media grabs the hype as its newsworthy then shyts all over it when it goes wrong.

As far as the Nets, well they are big news and I suppose media is grabbing that hype of the new franchise. If they disappoint I suppose the Media will shyt all over them also. Perhaps there are lower expectations on them as Billy King and Avery Johnson are tempering the roster hype down a bit. The Russian SEEMS to have basketball people running things via the GM where Grunwald is shackled and muted for some strange reason. MSG is just plain freaking weird and Dolan is a very insecure little man. I don't doubt his desire to win but he runs the club in an asinine manner befitting an insecure spoiled child.

They never made a statement about Lin leaving. Never just said "we considered the cost structure to be not fitting into our plans and are disapppinted we could not retain him". Is that so wrong? But to say nothing after making remarks we were going to match him and he is our starting guard?

This is just the latest and we have been over and over so many things over the years that just leave me distrustful as a fan that this club really puts winning as a priority.

As far as Barkley is concerned. He's always been an attention whore who makes statements for effect. Doesn't make him right or wrong, but it should be taken into account based on how seriously you want to take his predictions. If you google "Charles Barkley hates"......almost every NBA team and many players are sure to come up.