ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:I wish they would have HIRED Phil but I do believe PHil is not a good fit with MSG. He is larger than just a coach and I could see a Riley type thing were he coaches or is really the GM of sorts. PUts in his people and creates the culture.

Not gonna happen here.

It would have to be a really amazing Phit for Phil for that to happen.

Since that is the ultimate starphuch and not to be I am ok with Woody.

I do believe MDA had a preseason agreed game count to get it done and if not he walks with his pride and his money.
This departure was way too drama free.

The rest is water under the bridge.

IN theory its easy to say we should have hired another man but Im ok with Woodson and think he could be a "Joe Torre" kind of guy that needed more experience before being a really good coach.

If the Roster is constructed properly and the players buy in we should be successful.

Reminds me a bit of Avery Johnson. Good runs in Dallas but fell short. BOth stress defense. They both succeeded in the teams improving most years but failed to to the next level. Many times that failure teaches us how to rise up.

Avery had a tough (MDA type exeperience)rebuild run the last two years. Woodson walks into a better situation.

Woodson has some high expectations this year.

He has to:

1. Have a better record thn Brooklyn

2. Get to the second round of the playoffs

I get an uneasy feeling Phil in Brooklyn could happen if Avery faulters.

Can't see Phil in Brooklyn, they would need at least 2 of the best players in the league in their primes, usually at the wing and post, and Brooklyn doesn't have any.

Its the old "what came first? the chicke or the egg"?

JOrdan was not jordan until he got with Phil. Pippen was great because he could lock down three positions on Defense.

Kobe was not Kobe until he got with phil. Shaq alone was a power but flawed with limited offense game and free throw problems.

Phils formula I think was more accomplished that just giving credit to Jordan-Pippen or Kobe-Shaq or Pau.

We can't speak to what his requirements are. Its a starphuch to torture the knicks. I know few can be objective about the N*ts but its an interesting mix.

The downside could be a small blemish on an amazing career. He loses no rings and stays no. 1

The upside is almost infinite. Put N*tPhiba aside and use your imagination. It would be huge for him and that club if the climb to a championship before the knicks.

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:I wish they would have HIRED Phil but I do believe PHil is not a good fit with MSG. He is larger than just a coach and I could see a Riley type thing were he coaches or is really the GM of sorts. PUts in his people and creates the culture.

Not gonna happen here.

It would have to be a really amazing Phit for Phil for that to happen.

Since that is the ultimate starphuch and not to be I am ok with Woody.

I do believe MDA had a preseason agreed game count to get it done and if not he walks with his pride and his money.
This departure was way too drama free.

The rest is water under the bridge.

IN theory its easy to say we should have hired another man but Im ok with Woodson and think he could be a "Joe Torre" kind of guy that needed more experience before being a really good coach.

If the Roster is constructed properly and the players buy in we should be successful.

Reminds me a bit of Avery Johnson. Good runs in Dallas but fell short. BOth stress defense. They both succeeded in the teams improving most years but failed to to the next level. Many times that failure teaches us how to rise up.

Avery had a tough (MDA type exeperience)rebuild run the last two years. Woodson walks into a better situation.

Woodson has some high expectations this year.

He has to:

1. Have a better record thn Brooklyn

2. Get to the second round of the playoffs

I get an uneasy feeling Phil in Brooklyn could happen if Avery faulters.

Can't see Phil in Brooklyn, they would need at least 2 of the best players in the league in their primes, usually at the wing and post, and Brooklyn doesn't have any.

Its the old "what came first? the chicke or the egg"?

JOrdan was not jordan until he got with Phil. Pippen was great because he could lock down three positions on Defense.

Kobe was not Kobe until he got with phil. Shaq alone was a power but flawed with limited offense game and free throw problems.

Phils formula I think was more accomplished that just giving credit to Jordan-Pippen or Kobe-Shaq or Pau.

We can't speak to what his requirements are. Its a starphuch to torture the knicks. I know few can be objective about the N*ts but its an interesting mix.

The downside could be a small blemish on an amazing career. He loses no rings and stays no. 1

The upside is almost infinite. Put N*tPhiba aside and use your imagination. It would be huge for him and that club if the climb to a championship before the knicks.

You never cease to amaze me!

i just wanna know how ppl feel about woody

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:I wish they would have HIRED Phil but I do believe PHil is not a good fit with MSG. He is larger than just a coach and I could see a Riley type thing were he coaches or is really the GM of sorts. PUts in his people and creates the culture.

Not gonna happen here.

It would have to be a really amazing Phit for Phil for that to happen.

Since that is the ultimate starphuch and not to be I am ok with Woody.

I do believe MDA had a preseason agreed game count to get it done and if not he walks with his pride and his money.
This departure was way too drama free.

The rest is water under the bridge.

IN theory its easy to say we should have hired another man but Im ok with Woodson and think he could be a "Joe Torre" kind of guy that needed more experience before being a really good coach.

If the Roster is constructed properly and the players buy in we should be successful.

Reminds me a bit of Avery Johnson. Good runs in Dallas but fell short. BOth stress defense. They both succeeded in the teams improving most years but failed to to the next level. Many times that failure teaches us how to rise up.

Avery had a tough (MDA type exeperience)rebuild run the last two years. Woodson walks into a better situation.

Woodson has some high expectations this year.

He has to:

1. Have a better record thn Brooklyn

2. Get to the second round of the playoffs

I get an uneasy feeling Phil in Brooklyn could happen if Avery faulters.

Can't see Phil in Brooklyn, they would need at least 2 of the best players in the league in their primes, usually at the wing and post, and Brooklyn doesn't have any.

Its the old "what came first? the chicke or the egg"?

JOrdan was not jordan until he got with Phil. Pippen was great because he could lock down three positions on Defense.

Kobe was not Kobe until he got with phil. Shaq alone was a power but flawed with limited offense game and free throw problems.

Phils formula I think was more accomplished that just giving credit to Jordan-Pippen or Kobe-Shaq or Pau.

We can't speak to what his requirements are. Its a starphuch to torture the knicks. I know few can be objective about the N*ts but its an interesting mix.

The downside could be a small blemish on an amazing career. He loses no rings and stays no. 1

The upside is almost infinite. Put N*tPhiba aside and use your imagination. It would be huge for him and that club if the climb to a championship before the knicks.

It has nothing to with this so called Netphobia(how stupid does that sound), it has to do with Phil Jackson wouldn't coach the Brooklyn Nets Roster in a million years. If the Knicks roster is "clumsy" then the Nets are downright "handicapped" to him. Phil doesn't have a use for a point guard, so that crosses Deron off the list. Joe Johnson is on the wrongside of 30 and is not even worth Phil's zen spit. I won't even mention Wallace, Broke Lopez or Kardashian.

On the Bulls, Jordan was in fact Jordan before Phil. Jordan actually won a Defensive Player of the Year and a league MVP before Phil even coached 1 Bulls game, so there goes your argument there.

Pippen you can argue developed under Phil, but it makes it easier when you got MJ as defensive player of the year at the other wing, and defensive role players at the back end with Rodman, Cartwright, Grant, Dele, Williams etc.

Kobe was already a 20 point scorer before Phil got there in LA and got better each year. Shaq made the finals with the Magic already and was the runner up MVP behind David Robinson, so I'd say he was established already.

I'm not discrediting Phil's accomplisments. 11 rings is 11 rings. I'd say he's the best "massager of egos" in the modern coaching era outside of Red Auerbach(he had stacked teams too). It's like saying Joe Torre was a great manager. He wasn't, and I'm a Yankee fan. He knew when to push buttons, when to ride guys, when to ease off the throttle. Phil Jackson needs 2 top 10 talents(Jordan-Pippen or Kobe-Shaq) or at least 3 very great players at their positions(Kobe-Pau-Bynum) surrounded by selfless role players to succeed. Nothing in Brooklyn comes close.

+1

We're happy with Mike Woodson. When he took over as head coach we saw a huge difference in coaching style and immediate results. All the players supported him and the team went 18 and 6 to finish the season. That's awesome. Woodson has won a championship with the Detriot Pistons while being an asssistant coach for Larry Brown. During this past summer, he's gone out of his way to check on his players and supported them. How many coaches do that? I honestly do not see Jackson coaching the Nyets. If anything he would go back to the Lakers especially since they now have the guy who the Nyets coveted as much as they coveted Melo in Dwight Howard and also Steve Nash. He may want to make another NBA comeback run if things do not work out for Mike Brown and his girlfriend's dad own the Lakers. He would had a 100 times better shot with the Lakers than the Nyets.

Nalod you've recently commented that Mike D'Antoni could want to go to Nyets. Your next thread will say Pat Riley wants to coach the Nyets. lol.