Bonn1997 wrote:foosballnick wrote:toodarkmark wrote:foosballnick wrote:Not really worth continually dwelling on just the owner as there is really nothing that can be done. Owners are often only as good/bad as the executives and management they put in place.NY Giants are considered a well run organization, but Wellington Mara would have received an F grade in the late 60s thru to 1980. He would have received an A or B from then until 1992. The difference? George Young and Bill Parcells.
George Steinbrenner would have gotten an A from 1975 to 1981 with Gabe Paul as one of his early architects. From 82 through 93......an F and a ban from baseball. After that, an A with Gene Michael building a solid foundation of core players while King George was away, combined with bringing in Joe Torre.
Dolan with Isiah and various coaches.......an F. Dolan with Walsh and MDA.....probably a D. Dolan with Grunwald and Woodson, too soon to tell.
Dolan with Red Auerbach would still get an F.
Not true at all. A good GM will manage both the owner and resources appropriately. Just gave you examples to prove it....same owners with different management, yielded drastically different results.
Dolan doesn't work that way. He gives a new GM power for a year or so. Then he gets excited about big name players and starts making bad decisions that the GM and everyone else disagree with.
Your answer is conjecture or an assumption. You do not know this to be true, perhaps he has not found the correct management to fit the team's and his needs.
I generally place blame where it is due, not based on emotion. Dolan has mostly failed so far with the Knicks.....not because of coaching decisions or players, but because of the management teams of basketball people he has put in place to run the team for him.
To put every coaching change on Dolan is folly. His GMs have been mainly responsible for that.....with a few exceptions such as Isiah who Dolan put in as coach after numerous Isiah bad choices.
In regards to player decisions.......the biggest failure was not getting Lebron........
Lebron was not coming to the Knicks no matter how good or bad the presentation was. If the presentations mattered, then by all counts, Lebron would have went to Brooklyn. The Lebron road show was a joke....it was always Miami based on his kinship with Wade and Bosh. Most of the blame for not getting Lebron and the ensuing Amare overpay contract is on Walsh. Donnie cleared all that cap space, in some ways through making bad trades, for the purpose of getting Lebron. He did not read the tea leaves correctly.....and in his haste, over-paid for Amare to lure Lebron....and failed.
Getting Melo, was also fallout for not getting Lebron. Donnie may or may not have wanted Melo. But he stayed after acquiring Melo. In fact, Donnie stayed on payroll after Dolan put him out to pasture....and when the contract expired, then went to Indiana. What does that say?
MDA might not have gotten along with Melo, but he quit on the team mid-year. What does that say about him?
IMO.....people are ready to make Donnie out to be a saint, and MDA as some type of Matyr since they hate Dolan so much. While Walsh and MDA were much better than Isiah and most of his choices, They were still not the correct tandem to bring a winning structure to the Knicks.
So far, Grunald and Woodson seem to be a mgmt team that will make Dolan look like a better owner....time will tell.