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EwingsGlass
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7/19/2012  4:45 PM
2012/13.....................2011/12

C. Anthony<-------------->C. Anthony
A. Stoudemire<----------->A. Stoudemire
T. Chandler<------------->T. Chandler
T. Douglas<-------------->R. Felton
L. Fields<--------------->J. Smith
S. Novak<---------------->S. Novak
I. Shumpert<------------->I. Shumpert(IR)
M. Bibby<---------------->J. Kidd
J. Harrelson<------------>M. Camby
J. Jeffries<------------->K. Thomas
B. Walker<--------------->J. White
B. Davis(IR)<------------>P. Prigioni
R. Balkman<-------------->C. Copeland
J. Jordan

On paper, we are a little bit older, but I think we are starting the season with a better roster than we have had in a long time. It looks a bit more defensive minded than in years past as well. I think the upgrade at PG, backup PG and backup C make this team a bit tougher to beat. W

I'll save any criticism of Ray Felton until I see what kind of shape he shows up in. But, I always liked Ray, I thought he was a warrior on the court and loved how much he wanted to be here. He is a clear upgrade from Toney Douglas.

Looks like both Melo and Stat are coming back in better shape than in prior years. Another plus.

Chandler is coming of winning DPOY.

We are starting the season with JR Smith, who I sadly predict will break the alltime record for 3 pointers taken this year.

Novak is a year older and more confident, in his one trick pony kind of way.

Kidd is a year older, but still has some quality minutes to share.

Camby gives high quality minutes for the time he can be on the court.

I'd bet Harrelson is back in a Knicks uniform 30 days from now.

No more Jeffries. I appreciate that. Plus we got the "Stare" back in Kurt Thomas.

White vs. Walker is prob a wash, though I don't see White having the same injury concerns.

Notwithstanding the losses of Fields and Lin for no real consideration, we are starting the season better than last year. Not sure if we can pull any Aces from up our sleeves, but I'm not pessimistic about this season. I think this is the best looking opening day roster we have had since 1999 (which Camby and Kurt Thomas were on!).

We could use a little more size and a defensive SG (until Shump is back). Again, my bet is on Harrellson making a return appearance and the Knicks taking another flyer on Corey Brewer.

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7/19/2012  4:57 PM
I think the knock on this team will be inconsistent scoring, but we'll be in good company as same was said about biston, chicago and indi. All 3 good defensive teams. Still not enough to beat Miami in a 7 game series but could be enough to get to the conf finals. Definitely a respectable improvement over last year but maybe not enough for some fans
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7/19/2012  5:11 PM
Rookie wrote:I think the knock on this team will be inconsistent scoring, but we'll be in good company as same was said about biston, chicago and indi. All 3 good defensive teams. Still not enough to beat Miami in a 7 game series but could be enough to get to the conf finals. Definitely a respectable improvement over last year but maybe not enough for some fans

Miami is gonna be tough to beat for everyone. Only knock on Miami is I still don't see much size on their squad. Is our team physical enough to keep them out of the paint all day? I don't know. But on paper the team is starting to look like one that will protect the paint. Not sure if even that is enough with Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis playing for peanuts. Honestly out of 10 games, I'd expect the Heat to take 8.

Our offense isn't really that bad. They still know how to put up points in the SSOL. Melo and JR will be inconsistent scorers, by nature. My desire is to put Smith back into a 6 man role and let him be a shooter and get a defensive SG in the starting lineup. That said, I expect Felton to get about 8 assists per game off PnRs to Amare and soft tosses to Chandler. Anything to stop Amare from dribbling the ball.

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7/19/2012  5:25 PM
On paper this is a much better team. It still has weaknesses but it is much more solid.

C. Anthony<-------------->C. Anthony
A. Stoudemire<----------->A. Stoudemire
T. Chandler<------------->T. Chandler
T. Douglas<-------------->R. Felton Improvement
L. Fields<--------------->J. Smith Improvement
S. Novak<---------------->S. Novak
I. Shumpert<------------->I. Shumpert(IR)
M. Bibby<---------------->J. Kidd Improvement
J. Harrelson<------------>M. Camby Massive Improvement
J. Jeffries<------------->K. Thomas Not sure here but I think its an improvement
B. Walker<--------------->J. White
B. Davis(IR)<------------>P. Prigioni
R. Balkman<-------------->C. Copeland

The only downgrade is the loss of Lin and that is debatable - yes I agree he was a huge part of the teams success and I am sad to see him go. However, if Felton can play like the pre-Melo trade we are solid. Our second squad should be able to come in and put points on the board while maintaining the defense when Chandler sits, we did not have that last year and it hurt the team.

Add in the possibility of Stat either coming back and beasting or moving to more of a 6th man role and I think we have a recipe for the 4-5 seed and possibly a first round series win.

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7/19/2012  5:30 PM
OasisBU wrote:On paper this is a much better team. It still has weaknesses but it is much more solid.

C. Anthony<-------------->C. Anthony
A. Stoudemire<----------->A. Stoudemire
T. Chandler<------------->T. Chandler
T. Douglas<-------------->R. Felton Improvement
L. Fields<--------------->J. Smith Improvement
S. Novak<---------------->S. Novak
I. Shumpert<------------->I. Shumpert(IR)
M. Bibby<---------------->J. Kidd Improvement
J. Harrelson<------------>M. Camby Massive Improvement
J. Jeffries<------------->K. Thomas Not sure here but I think its an improvement
B. Walker<--------------->J. White
B. Davis(IR)<------------>P. Prigioni
R. Balkman<-------------->C. Copeland

The only downgrade is the loss of Lin and that is debatable - yes I agree he was a huge part of the teams success and I am sad to see him go. However, if Felton can play like the pre-Melo trade we are solid. Our second squad should be able to come in and put points on the board while maintaining the defense when Chandler sits, we did not have that last year and it hurt the team.

Add in the possibility of Stat either coming back and beasting or moving to more of a 6th man role and I think we have a recipe for the 4-5 seed and possibly a first round series win.

Oh man, if Amare ends up in the 6 man role we are going to have drama. I agree with your assessment, though I would suggest that this year's Melo is an improvement over last years (assuming we get the one that ended the season, not the one that played the first half). And it would be hard for Amare to play worse than he did last year. So, I am sippin the kool-aid and calling this Amare an improvement as well to the extent I am not hearing about his back.

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7/19/2012  6:14 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
OasisBU wrote:On paper this is a much better team. It still has weaknesses but it is much more solid.

C. Anthony<-------------->C. Anthony
A. Stoudemire<----------->A. Stoudemire
T. Chandler<------------->T. Chandler
T. Douglas<-------------->R. Felton Improvement
L. Fields<--------------->J. Smith Improvement
S. Novak<---------------->S. Novak
I. Shumpert<------------->I. Shumpert(IR)
M. Bibby<---------------->J. Kidd Improvement
J. Harrelson<------------>M. Camby Massive Improvement
J. Jeffries<------------->K. Thomas Not sure here but I think its an improvement
B. Walker<--------------->J. White
B. Davis(IR)<------------>P. Prigioni
R. Balkman<-------------->C. Copeland

The only downgrade is the loss of Lin and that is debatable - yes I agree he was a huge part of the teams success and I am sad to see him go. However, if Felton can play like the pre-Melo trade we are solid. Our second squad should be able to come in and put points on the board while maintaining the defense when Chandler sits, we did not have that last year and it hurt the team.

Add in the possibility of Stat either coming back and beasting or moving to more of a 6th man role and I think we have a recipe for the 4-5 seed and possibly a first round series win.

Oh man, if Amare ends up in the 6 man role we are going to have drama. I agree with your assessment, though I would suggest that this year's Melo is an improvement over last years (assuming we get the one that ended the season, not the one that played the first half). And it would be hard for Amare to play worse than he did last year. So, I am sippin the kool-aid and calling this Amare an improvement as well to the extent I am not hearing about his back.

I'm guessing that the only way Stat comes off the bench is if he's hurt and Woodson tells him to be a sub when he gets back to keep him fresh for the playoffs. I don't believe that production alone, or lack of it, will be enough for Woodson to sit him. Not often that starters making Stat's money get sent to the bench. Not that it wouldn't be a good idea if he was in a slump.

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7/19/2012  6:17 PM
the biggest key to the season is shump being healthy. If he is healthy then i feel we can beat mimai because he will shut down wade since wade is starting to break down a little
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7/19/2012  6:18 PM
NO WAY STAT is removed from the SL. This guy is a starter and if you give him the ball he's still one of our most efficient scorers. He just needs a good PG and touches.

This roster is MUCH better than the roster last year to start the year. Especially if you want to play tough D for 48 mins.

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7/19/2012  6:22 PM
nixluva wrote:NO WAY STAT is removed from the SL. This guy is a starter and if you give him the ball he's still one of our most efficient scorers. He just needs a good PG and touches.

This roster is MUCH better than the roster last year to start the year. Especially if you want to play tough D for 48 mins.

If the knicks had 50 timeouts a game, they could sub him out for Offense/Defense.

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7/19/2012  7:46 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
OasisBU wrote:On paper this is a much better team. It still has weaknesses but it is much more solid.

C. Anthony<-------------->C. Anthony
A. Stoudemire<----------->A. Stoudemire
T. Chandler<------------->T. Chandler
T. Douglas<-------------->R. Felton Improvement
L. Fields<--------------->J. Smith Improvement
S. Novak<---------------->S. Novak
I. Shumpert<------------->I. Shumpert(IR)
M. Bibby<---------------->J. Kidd Improvement
J. Harrelson<------------>M. Camby Massive Improvement
J. Jeffries<------------->K. Thomas Not sure here but I think its an improvement
B. Walker<--------------->J. White
B. Davis(IR)<------------>P. Prigioni
R. Balkman<-------------->C. Copeland

The only downgrade is the loss of Lin and that is debatable - yes I agree he was a huge part of the teams success and I am sad to see him go. However, if Felton can play like the pre-Melo trade we are solid. Our second squad should be able to come in and put points on the board while maintaining the defense when Chandler sits, we did not have that last year and it hurt the team.

Add in the possibility of Stat either coming back and beasting or moving to more of a 6th man role and I think we have a recipe for the 4-5 seed and possibly a first round series win.

Oh man, if Amare ends up in the 6 man role we are going to have drama. I agree with your assessment, though I would suggest that this year's Melo is an improvement over last years (assuming we get the one that ended the season, not the one that played the first half). And it would be hard for Amare to play worse than he did last year. So, I am sippin the kool-aid and calling this Amare an improvement as well to the extent I am not hearing about his back.

I'm guessing that the only way Stat comes off the bench is if he's hurt and Woodson tells him to be a sub when he gets back to keep him fresh for the playoffs. I don't believe that production alone, or lack of it, will be enough for Woodson to sit him. Not often that starters making Stat's money get sent to the bench. Not that it wouldn't be a good idea if he was in a slump.

I didn't mean 6th man in the traditional sense - I think he will be a starter. I should have said he will probably lead the second unit and Woodson can pull it off with smart/creative substitutions. Stat will definitely stay but I could see he and Melo not spending the entire time on the floor together. That way we always have a star/scorer on the court.

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7/19/2012  8:32 PM
OasisBU wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
OasisBU wrote:On paper this is a much better team. It still has weaknesses but it is much more solid.

C. Anthony<-------------->C. Anthony
A. Stoudemire<----------->A. Stoudemire
T. Chandler<------------->T. Chandler
T. Douglas<-------------->R. Felton Improvement
L. Fields<--------------->J. Smith Improvement
S. Novak<---------------->S. Novak
I. Shumpert<------------->I. Shumpert(IR)
M. Bibby<---------------->J. Kidd Improvement
J. Harrelson<------------>M. Camby Massive Improvement
J. Jeffries<------------->K. Thomas Not sure here but I think its an improvement
B. Walker<--------------->J. White
B. Davis(IR)<------------>P. Prigioni
R. Balkman<-------------->C. Copeland

The only downgrade is the loss of Lin and that is debatable - yes I agree he was a huge part of the teams success and I am sad to see him go. However, if Felton can play like the pre-Melo trade we are solid. Our second squad should be able to come in and put points on the board while maintaining the defense when Chandler sits, we did not have that last year and it hurt the team.

Add in the possibility of Stat either coming back and beasting or moving to more of a 6th man role and I think we have a recipe for the 4-5 seed and possibly a first round series win.

Oh man, if Amare ends up in the 6 man role we are going to have drama. I agree with your assessment, though I would suggest that this year's Melo is an improvement over last years (assuming we get the one that ended the season, not the one that played the first half). And it would be hard for Amare to play worse than he did last year. So, I am sippin the kool-aid and calling this Amare an improvement as well to the extent I am not hearing about his back.

I'm guessing that the only way Stat comes off the bench is if he's hurt and Woodson tells him to be a sub when he gets back to keep him fresh for the playoffs. I don't believe that production alone, or lack of it, will be enough for Woodson to sit him. Not often that starters making Stat's money get sent to the bench. Not that it wouldn't be a good idea if he was in a slump.

I didn't mean 6th man in the traditional sense - I think he will be a starter. I should have said he will probably lead the second unit and Woodson can pull it off with smart/creative substitutions. Stat will definitely stay but I could see he and Melo not spending the entire time on the floor together. That way we always have a star/scorer on the court.

That makes more sense. Anyone know if Corey Brewer is still available? He'd really make a good SG here until ShumpShump gets better.

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7/19/2012  8:34 PM
OasisBU wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
OasisBU wrote:On paper this is a much better team. It still has weaknesses but it is much more solid.

C. Anthony<-------------->C. Anthony
A. Stoudemire<----------->A. Stoudemire
T. Chandler<------------->T. Chandler
T. Douglas<-------------->R. Felton Improvement
L. Fields<--------------->J. Smith Improvement
S. Novak<---------------->S. Novak
I. Shumpert<------------->I. Shumpert(IR)
M. Bibby<---------------->J. Kidd Improvement
J. Harrelson<------------>M. Camby Massive Improvement
J. Jeffries<------------->K. Thomas Not sure here but I think its an improvement
B. Walker<--------------->J. White
B. Davis(IR)<------------>P. Prigioni
R. Balkman<-------------->C. Copeland

The only downgrade is the loss of Lin and that is debatable - yes I agree he was a huge part of the teams success and I am sad to see him go. However, if Felton can play like the pre-Melo trade we are solid. Our second squad should be able to come in and put points on the board while maintaining the defense when Chandler sits, we did not have that last year and it hurt the team.

Add in the possibility of Stat either coming back and beasting or moving to more of a 6th man role and I think we have a recipe for the 4-5 seed and possibly a first round series win.

Oh man, if Amare ends up in the 6 man role we are going to have drama. I agree with your assessment, though I would suggest that this year's Melo is an improvement over last years (assuming we get the one that ended the season, not the one that played the first half). And it would be hard for Amare to play worse than he did last year. So, I am sippin the kool-aid and calling this Amare an improvement as well to the extent I am not hearing about his back.

I'm guessing that the only way Stat comes off the bench is if he's hurt and Woodson tells him to be a sub when he gets back to keep him fresh for the playoffs. I don't believe that production alone, or lack of it, will be enough for Woodson to sit him. Not often that starters making Stat's money get sent to the bench. Not that it wouldn't be a good idea if he was in a slump.

I didn't mean 6th man in the traditional sense - I think he will be a starter. I should have said he will probably lead the second unit and Woodson can pull it off with smart/creative substitutions. Stat will definitely stay but I could see he and Melo not spending the entire time on the floor together. That way we always have a star/scorer on the court.

We have enough talent on the roster to field a good second unit with Stat being the main offensive threat. I don't believe it was tried that much last year because the bench wasn't very deep (to put it nicely).

At least it would give them each time to be the focal point of the offense. They still have to learn to work together on the floor however. I'm hoping that Kidd will help them do just that and Felton will pick up on what Kidd does and do the same.

Felton said he is looking forward to learning from Kidd which is always refreshing to hear from a veteran. I like how Stat, Melo, and Felton, have spoken about improving their games. Hope its more than talk. Guess we will find out soon enough.

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7/19/2012  8:40 PM
They do have a deep second team. I guess part of my point is that with people re-considering their fandom in light of letting Lin walk, notwithstanding that decision, I am more hopeful now than I have been in years. If the Heat didn't exist, I'd really suggest we have a good shot at a title run. That said, everybody has a swinger's chance in a brawl, and they brought in some tough cats. I think if this team plays a little tougher and plays a bit more physical with their opponents for 48 minutes, they are in a good position to win against any other team.
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7/19/2012  8:43 PM
How is this gonna work? How can those old dudes score and play D while hanging on to their walkers?
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7/19/2012  8:55 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:They do have a deep second team. I guess part of my point is that with people re-considering their fandom in light of letting Lin walk, notwithstanding that decision, I am more hopeful now than I have been in years. If the Heat didn't exist, I'd really suggest we have a good shot at a title run. That said, everybody has a swinger's chance in a brawl, and they brought in some tough cats. I think if this team plays a little tougher and plays a bit more physical with their opponents for 48 minutes, they are in a good position to win against any other team.

The Heat have to hope that Wade, Miller, and Allen, are healthy by the time the playoffs come around. What's encouraging to me is that the Pacers showed that you can throw the Heat off their game, get inside their heads. Their mistake was taking it one step too far and really pissing them off.

If we can get into the playoffs with our roster relatively healthy, I believe with the new additions, we can give the better teams in the east a run for their money.

Like you said, we have some vets coming in who don't take any **** from anyone so if the Knicks can build some real chemistry by the time the playoffs come around we should be in good shape.

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7/19/2012  9:39 PM
BasketballJones wrote:How is this gonna work? How can those old dudes score and play D while hanging on to their walkers?

By leaning on the Fat people for support

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7/19/2012  10:14 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:How is this gonna work? How can those old dudes score and play D while hanging on to their walkers?

By leaning on the Fat people for support

Okay, that could work.

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