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7/16/2012  7:42 PM
finally some actual reporting!

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/ken-berger/19597352/knicks-weighing-pros-cons-of-matching-lin-offer-sheet

Knicks weighing pros, cons of matching Lin offer sheet

By Ken Berger | NBA Insider
July 16, 2012 7:27 pm ET

WASHINGTON -- On the eve of their deadline to match the Rockets' three-year, $25.1 million offer sheet for Jeremy Lin, the Knicks have yet to tip their hand. Multiple people involved in the process told CBSSports.com Monday that New York has not communicated its intentions to Houston or to Lin's camp.

But there was a school of thought in league circles Monday that the Knicks matching the massively back-loaded offer for Lin should not be ruled out as a possibility. Doing so would require that one of the Knicks' big salaries would have to be moved in the next two years or the team would face a potentially massive luxury-tax bill in 2014-15.

If they matched Lin's offer sheet, which calls for him to be paid $5 million next season, $5.225 million in 2013-14 and $14.9 million in '14-'15, the Knicks would have $80 million committed to five players in the balloon-payment year of Lin's deal. Viewed another way, if the Knicks added the necessary players between now and then through the draft and other means, Lin's nearly $15 million salary in '14-'15 would cost them a whopping $43 million, including $28 million in luxury tax under the new tax rates that take effect with the '13-'14 season.

That's a massive poison pill, likely too big even for the Knicks to swallow.

But what Knicks management is said to be weighing, according to league sources, is Lin's enormous marketing value and whether enough players currently under contract could be traded before the third-year spike in Lin's contract hits. Although Carmelo Anthony, Amar'e Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler are on the books for a combined $62.4 million in '14-'15, all three would be on expiring contracts -- and thus possibly tradeable to a team eager to clear massive amounts of cap space. More realistically, Raymond Felton and/or Jason Kidd also would be on expiring contracts and would have trade value, although their relatively meager salaries would barely make a dent in the room New York would need to clear to avoid huge tax penalties.

There also is a belief among league sources that the Knicks' acquisition of Felton was partially for insurance in case they let Lin walk, but also simply a matter of time running out to convert free agent Jared Jeffries and non-guaranteed Dan Gadzuric into an asset -- both on the court and in future trades. The Knicks' surrendering a second-round pick and the draft rights to two Greek prospects, however, signaled that there was more urgency behind the Felton trade -- an urgency for the Knicks to protect themselves in the event they let Lin walk.

If nothing else, at least this is clear about Lin's role in all of this: Rival executives view him as virtually untradeable with $15 million next to his name on the '14-'15 salary books. So whether Lin is a Knick or a Rocket at 11:59 p.m. ET Tuesday -- New York's deadline for matching the offer sheet -- his team will have to be prepared to move other pieces or face enormous tax consequences.

In the days since Lin signed the offer sheet and it was presented to the Knicks, the balloon contract has been called "ridiculous" by Knicks teammate Carmelo Anthony. Another teammate, J.R. Smith, told SI.com that Lin's $15 million salary in the third year of the deal would be a problem in the locker room.

Nobody knows for sure what the Knicks will do, and these are just some of the issues the New York front office is wrestling with as the matching decision looms. The only sure thing seems to be that, as with all deadlines, this one will go down to the wire.

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7/16/2012  7:44 PM
Good article - Thanks for posting
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7/16/2012  7:47 PM
It's an interesting idea that Felton might be an asset to flip. He's on a great contract now and should be totally easy to trade if he plays well. Maybe even package with Amar'e at some point as an instant pick and roll combo to some team.
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7/16/2012  7:48 PM
Lin isn't going anywhere. And yes, good to see some actual reporting.
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7/16/2012  7:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/16/2012  7:49 PM
MSG3 wrote:Lin isn't going anywhere. And yes, good to see some actual reporting.

Man, I hope you're right. I will take the train up to MSG and kiss the sidewalk outside of it. I'll dance a little jig like Bruce Willis at the end of The Last Boyscout.

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7/16/2012  7:52 PM
crzymdups wrote:
MSG3 wrote:Lin isn't going anywhere. And yes, good to see some actual reporting.

Man, I hope you're right. I will take the train up to MSG and kiss the sidewalk outside of it. I'll dance a little jig like Bruce Willis at the end of The Last Boyscout.

Stacking PG's is always smart since they are big commodities throughout the season. Felton's deal is extremely tradeable.

I still think there is no way that Lin walks - NO WAY!!

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7/16/2012  7:53 PM
THIS is a true report on the situation. Anyone that claims NY has made up their mind simply wants to create what has actually fallen over NY, caos. Truth is, this is too important of a matter to simply say the Knicls will or wont do something.

And I hope everyone can read this so they see this isn't the slam dunk decision people believe. Lin's contract will force the Knicls to make extremely tough decisions. After years of building a core of stars, whether you like them or not, this situation forces NY to have to move somebody in the next two years, no easy task.

Nice that they showed what the Felton move really was, an opportune positive move that also works as an emergency policy in case Lin is let go.

Hope real Knicks fans see this and understand this isn't an easy situation. If Lin comes back, I will root for him as any other member of my team. But this situation will leave a huge bad taste over his story, whether he was the driving force behind the offer change or he just took advantage of it.

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7/16/2012  7:54 PM
question for folks: arent the reports of the tax bill due in 3 years possibly misleading? that is, the salary cap 3 years from now is not set, nor is the tax level.

if the knicks keep most of the contracts that are 3+ years and longer, and if they add some draft picks, fill out the roster, and if the cap/tax level project out to the same value it is now, perhaps the calculations are legit.

if something changes,: get rid of some larger contracts, sal cap/tax level could go up or down, then these projections are not accurate. given certain scenarios it could be worse or not that much of a concern... just seems like poor reporting to me, lots of assumptions based on what might be 3 years from now.

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7/16/2012  7:55 PM
crzymdups wrote:It's an interesting idea that Felton might be an asset to flip. He's on a great contract now and should be totally easy to trade if he plays well. Maybe even package with Amar'e at some point as an instant pick and roll combo to some team.

Man, you are desperate for any sign of Lin staying. I loved his story but some here seem to be ready to quit basketball if Lin isn't in NY and that is scary.

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7/16/2012  7:56 PM
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crzymdups wrote:It's an interesting idea that Felton might be an asset to flip. He's on a great contract now and should be totally easy to trade if he plays well. Maybe even package with Amar'e at some point as an instant pick and roll combo to some team.

Man, you are desperate for any sign of Lin staying. I loved his story but some here seem to be ready to quit basketball if Lin isn't in NY and that is scary.

I dont think he is desperate he is a good fan who doesnt want to lose a young pg who has skills for nothing
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7/16/2012  8:00 PM
Would matching Lin affect Shumpert's signing down the road? Could we get poison-pilled again?
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7/16/2012  8:04 PM
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crzymdups wrote:It's an interesting idea that Felton might be an asset to flip. He's on a great contract now and should be totally easy to trade if he plays well. Maybe even package with Amar'e at some point as an instant pick and roll combo to some team.

Man, you are desperate for any sign of Lin staying. I loved his story but some here seem to be ready to quit basketball if Lin isn't in NY and that is scary.

I dont think he is desperate he is a good fan who doesnt want to lose a young pg who has skills for nothing

No man, I want Lin to be in NY when the season starts and I'm not making the silly threats and hanging on every report like some here are. Is there a bigger story than this right now in sports? Riots because we wont match a poison pill contract? I know we are a desperate fanbase and this was the best story to happen to us in decades, but soon enough people will threat on taking their lives if Lin isn't a Knick, and however ridiculous that sounds, that's where some are approaching.

What can we do until tomorrow at 11:59? Simply keep torturing us and building enough desperation and anxiety that when the news break, people will go crazy, worse than now. Its getting this crazy.

People need to relax. We still have to work on Tuesday to earn a living and put our effort on building our personal and professional dreams. Life will go on, with ot without Lin in JY.

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7/16/2012  8:05 PM
If Lin stays the same media types will blame the Knicks for giving him the contract if he sucks.
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7/16/2012  8:06 PM
Gymkata wrote:Would matching Lin affect Shumpert's signing down the road? Could we get poison-pilled again?

Yes. We may even have to trade him in order to trade a big contract to make room for Lin's poison pill. But who cares? The future of New York's humanity rests on the Knicks matching Lin.

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7/16/2012  8:07 PM
AnubisADL wrote:If Lin stays the same media types will blame the Knicks for giving him the contract if he sucks.

Either way the Knicks always lose.

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7/16/2012  8:08 PM
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Gymkata wrote:Would matching Lin affect Shumpert's signing down the road? Could we get poison-pilled again?

Yes. We may even have to trade him in order to trade a big contract to make room for Lin's poison pill. But who cares? The future of New York's humanity rests on the Knicks matching Lin.

Um you are going overboard i mean its not like lebron's decision
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7/16/2012  8:11 PM
Gymkata wrote:Would matching Lin affect Shumpert's signing down the road? Could we get poison-pilled again?

Shump won't be a restricted free agent until 2015, when all of our max contracts are up. I think we're safe. We can also offer an extension prior to that, correct?

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Gymkata wrote:Would matching Lin affect Shumpert's signing down the road? Could we get poison-pilled again?

Yes. We may even have to trade him in order to trade a big contract to make room for Lin's poison pill. But who cares? The future of New York's humanity rests on the Knicks matching Lin.

Um you are going overboard i mean its not like lebron's decision

What does Lebron have to do with this? The question was if matching Lin would affect Shumpert's signing and the answer, like it or not, is probably yes. This article even states how NY will have to move a big contract in order to make room for Lin. Shump is one of our most attractive assets left and in order to move a contract like, say, Amare, you will probably have to include him. Not trying to spin this any way, its just likely matching Lin will have repercussions on the other players, just like the article says.

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7/16/2012  8:14 PM
I honestly believe KNICKS stalling. They will match last minute. Rockets get sucker punched in the gut. Who cares about going over the cap and paying tax? It aint your money guys.
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7/16/2012  8:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/16/2012  8:17 PM
Knicksfan wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
Gymkata wrote:Would matching Lin affect Shumpert's signing down the road? Could we get poison-pilled again?

Yes. We may even have to trade him in order to trade a big contract to make room for Lin's poison pill. But who cares? The future of New York's humanity rests on the Knicks matching Lin.

Um you are going overboard i mean its not like lebron's decision

What does Lebron have to do with this? The question was if matching Lin would affect Shumpert's signing and the answer, like it or not, is probably yes. This article even states how NY will have to move a big contract in order to make room for Lin. Shump is one of our most attractive assets left and in order to move a contract like, say, Amare, you will probably have to include him. Not trying to spin this any way, its just likely matching Lin will have repercussions on the other players, just like the article says.

as soemone just said shump isnt a RFA until 2015 i think
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