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BRIGGS
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7/16/2012  5:24 PM
If we lose Lin. If anyone saw Felton play last year he was awful out of shape. Those types of athletes almost never recover form. Giving up a 24 year old scoring guard is crazy
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7/16/2012  5:27 PM
Yup.

Dolan is one of the true idiots of sports and business.

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gunsnewing
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7/16/2012  5:29 PM
Will Felton be kn tip top shape for the duration of his 3yr contract? Or are we going to have to worry about his weight every offseason. I dont mind adding felton even if for all the wrong reasons. If Lin is matched they will deal with it later
RonRon
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7/16/2012  5:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/16/2012  5:34 PM
i am still praying it is smoke, hoping Knicks are using the media and the Felton acquisition to let Houston think they have Lin and make moves like we did before they actually have him.

In about 30 hours, we will no for sure, and whether how many people, will officially give up on this organization....

If we can acquire a penetrate PG like Barea, I believe he can bring the same some of the things that Lin can do, at a cheaper price, but we cannot.....

After this dumb move that Kidd just did, I hope we can rescind our offer to him, hope he goes to jail for all I care, and join Plaxico..

I can see Felton is the backup PG, that can continue to penetrate and play defense on a backup role, but to replace Lin, I don't think so.

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7/16/2012  5:35 PM
RonRon wrote:i am still praying it is smoke, hoping Knicks are using the media and the Felton acquisition to let Houston think they have Lin and make moves like we did before they actually have him.

In about 30 hours, we will no for sure, and whether how many people, will officially give up on this organization....

If we can acquire a penetrate PG like Barea, I believe he can bring the same some of the things that Lin can do, at a cheaper price, but we cannot.....

After this off-season, Lin or no Lin, the Knicks are essentially locked into this roster. We'll be over the tax limit, meaning no sign and trades (again this is with or without Lin) and we've traded most draft picks.

Get ready for 3yrs of wondering when Kidd and Camby will be off the injured reserve.

Get ready for all sorts of horrible boring Isiah era crap.

I actually accidentally called Melo "Marbury" today. We're headed towards that same crap.

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smackeddog
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7/16/2012  5:35 PM
It started off promisingly- if we could have kept last years squad while adding Camby and Kidd, and maybe Randy Foye, it would have been great. Unfortunately we ended up losing Fields and Lin due to stupid, spiteful contracts, lost Jorts, jerome Jordan, lost Jared Jeffries, lost every future second round draft pick, lost every draft rights to overseas players, lost all $3mil cash.

I dont know- great to have Camby nd Kurt back, but it seems like we took a sideways step at best. We still don't have SG to replace Shump. Can't really blame Grunwald- Dolan and Lin teamed up to screw us. Lucky we got Felton as there is no other PG out there.

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7/16/2012  5:37 PM
crzymdups wrote:Yup.

Dolan is one of the true idiots of sports and business.

Well, that was true way before Linsanity.

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crzymdups
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7/16/2012  5:39 PM
blkexec wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Yup.

Dolan is one of the true idiots of sports and business.

Well, that was true way before Linsanity.

for a few season, i actually believed he'd stepped out of the way.

but the melo trade, firing d'antoni and letting lin go prove that it's back to normal in knicks land.

the momentary stretch of sanity felt so nice.

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7/16/2012  5:40 PM
BRIGGS wrote:If we lose Lin. If anyone saw Felton play last year he was awful out of shape. Those types of athletes almost never recover form. Giving up a 24 year old scoring guard is crazy

Not always the case. We saw Chris Childs eat away his future, but we also saw Mark Jackson rededicate his life to basketball and staying in shape. That said, Felton played like crap last season and I was disgusted by his attitude. He needs to work hard at rebuilding his rep.

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
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7/16/2012  5:41 PM
Yeah, I'm not to excited about his offseason. Seems like we gave up a lot of assets and got back 3 40 year olds and a PG that isn't very good. Hope the three 40 year olds bring some incredible intangibles to the team and can avoid some injuries. It's possilbe, but I just have this awful feeling we are going right down the pre Walsh path again. Never dealing from a postion of strength, making moves for moves sake, not getting closer to a title and slashing assets to create the illusion that we are title contenders

Here's to praying that Kidd and CAmby find the fountain of youth.

I just hope that people will like me
Bippity10
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7/16/2012  5:42 PM
We are slowly becoming a national joke again. I miss Walsh
I just hope that people will like me
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7/16/2012  5:46 PM
We are one injury away from next season being a disaster. We need a big 3 on offense. Melo - Stat - Lin. If we have only Melo and Stat we are asking for trouble. In particular with Stat. We are depending on his back to be perfect this year. That alone means we should sign Lin as offensive insurance.

And we just got A LOT OLDER and traded away or are getting rid of most of our young guys. And Shump will be out a while. Hope the new guys from Europe can help. They sure looked good in summer league. ehehhe

Come on Dolan, do the right thing.

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Bonn1997
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7/16/2012  5:53 PM
Bippity10 wrote:We are slowly becoming a national joke again. I miss Walsh

Really? As far as basketball goes, I miss the 1990s!
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7/16/2012  6:01 PM
The only good thing about this off season is the addition of Kidd. Other than that most of the moves are sideways moves. Losing Lin would basically make this a losing off season. Adding Felton a player that I never was a fan of makes it disastrous. Adding Camby was a decent move Adding KT stupid move never liked him.

Knicks have to match Lin it a doable contract it's not as bad as people are making it out to be. Put it this way Lin and Amare will be expiring deal about the same time so I can see the Knicks using the expiring deals in the future to get under the cap, or moving either Lin, Amare, Chandler in a couple of years.

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7/16/2012  6:01 PM
I'm not going to take this Lin thing out on Felton- he loved playing here and wanted to come back despite the way we treated him. And while he played badly last year, once he got the coach fired, he actually played quite well- Last 10 games, 14.2pts 46% FG, 42% 3pt! 4 reb, 7.7assists.
Vmart
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7/16/2012  6:03 PM
smackeddog wrote:I'm not going to take this Lin thing out on Felton- he loved playing here and wanted to come back despite the way we treated him. And while he played badly last year, once he got the coach fired, he actually played quite well- Last 10 games, 14.2pts 46% FG, 42% 3pt! 4 reb, 7.7assists.

Problem with Felton is he sucks and we can't expect the MDA Felton because he couldn't do it in other systems.

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7/16/2012  6:05 PM
Vmart wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I'm not going to take this Lin thing out on Felton- he loved playing here and wanted to come back despite the way we treated him. And while he played badly last year, once he got the coach fired, he actually played quite well- Last 10 games, 14.2pts 46% FG, 42% 3pt! 4 reb, 7.7assists.

Problem with Felton is he sucks and we can't expect the MDA Felton because he couldn't do it in other systems.

13 and 6 a game is terrible! We can get the same production and only pay $15 million more.

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gunsnewing
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7/16/2012  6:05 PM
Vmart wrote:
smackeddog wrote:I'm not going to take this Lin thing out on Felton- he loved playing here and wanted to come back despite the way we treated him. And while he played badly last year, once he got the coach fired, he actually played quite well- Last 10 games, 14.2pts 46% FG, 42% 3pt! 4 reb, 7.7assists.

Problem with Felton is he sucks and we can't expect the MDA Felton because he couldn't do it in other systems.

been saying tge same thing but have been getting attacked vehemently
RonRon
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7/16/2012  6:06 PM
smackeddog wrote:I'm not going to take this Lin thing out on Felton- he loved playing here and wanted to come back despite the way we treated him. And while he played badly last year, once he got the coach fired, he actually played quite well- Last 10 games, 14.2pts 46% FG, 42% 3pt! 4 reb, 7.7assists.

Felton's main skill is penetrating.

A reason why most teams today, use 4 shooters some even 5, to open up the driving lanes, cutting lane, floor spacing, and room to operate.
With having 2 versatile, athletic players that have ability to shoot, and drive in/post up *Aldridge*

Felton
Mathews
Batumm
Aldridge
Hickson

crzymdups
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7/16/2012  6:07 PM
So the Knicks are losing their best point guard, third leading scorer in Lin. They're losing one of their most versatile defenders in Jeffries. They lost their plus/minus leader Landry Fields.

All of those guys could have been retained if they'd approached them with reasonable contracts on July 1st.

But, nope, they had to get used by Steve Nash who said "NY was never really an option." All that cost us was Fields and pissed off Lin who then decided he wanted to go to Houston for real.

This is one of the most horribly managed off-seasons I've ever seen.

Lin, Fields and Jeffries were three of the best players on the team last year and some of the only reasons the team made the playoffs along with Melo, Tyson and Shumpert.

So the Knicks essentially gave up half of their functional rotation, overpaid Novak, retained JR Smith (they'll have to overpay him next off-season), downgraded PG, signed two 40yr old backups... and traded like five second round picks in the process if you count this year's... Shump is out for half the season to boot.

oh, yeah, Amar'e Stoudemire is now the longest tenured Knick and he punched a fire extinguisher thus ruining any chance of being competitive against the Heat.

Do people think that the record next year will be better winning %?

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