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gunsnewing
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7/16/2012  4:05 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/16/2012  4:06 AM
by yr 3 to avoid the luxury tax
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7/16/2012  4:11 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/16/2012  4:11 AM
First of all if you're trading Amare to avoid a 3rd year tax then you're expecting someone to give you expiring deals for Amare, which isn't happening.

Second of all I don't see many teams willing to take Amare.

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7/16/2012  4:13 AM
You never know 3 yrs from now. Look at some of the horrible contracts that were moved then bought out.
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7/16/2012  4:13 AM
Tomorrow's headline "Not so fast Knicks may still match"
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7/16/2012  4:16 AM
ok then swallow your ego & pay the stupid luxury tax.
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7/16/2012  6:22 AM
I agree. You don't have to say it's Lin's contract that is costing us luxury/penalty dollars, but it's split among the big four- Melo, Chandler, Amar'e and Lin.
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7/16/2012  6:28 AM
Just curious. If you cut a player I know you have to pay his salary, but are you still having to pay luxury tax on a player not on your roster?
Just seems we could move contracts if need be, after all, we are loading up on players lately.

The players going out should be our less productive ones. Lin is top 3 on the team. He shouldn't be going anywhere. This seems personal...

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7/16/2012  6:51 AM
The level of desperation from the fans because of the risk of losing Lin is quite alarming. I want NY to match, but some here seem to desperately be holding to a belief Lin is the second coming of an ancient basketball savior. Linsanity was amazing and Lin has potential, but this level of insanity is... well.. crazy.
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7/16/2012  7:17 AM
franco12 wrote:I agree. You don't have to say it's Lin's contract that is costing us luxury/penalty dollars, but it's split among the big four- Melo, Chandler, Amar'e and Lin.

I dont even care if Lin stays and I agree with this. NBA salary rules make no sense. Why can Jeremy Lin make more then the top picks in the draft from the same class.Shouldnt Lin be at a controlled salary level lower then first round picks for the first 4 years. For instance Demarcus Cousins will make a 1,500,000 less then Lin and he was the 5th pick in the draft from the 2010 class. How can an UFA get his pay day before those guys. Kind of a flaw in the NBA salary system that the NFL doesnt allow

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7/16/2012  7:43 AM
Knicksfan wrote:The level of desperation from the fans because of the risk of losing Lin is quite alarming. I want NY to match, but some here seem to desperately be holding to a belief Lin is the second coming of an ancient basketball savior. Linsanity was amazing and Lin has potential, but this level of insanity is... well.. crazy.

No he's just a much better buy than our current "superstars"
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7/16/2012  7:55 AM
Love how this guy can do no wrong.

Could of played vs the Heat but didnt for FA

Could of practiced with Team USA to work on his game but chose to be a Media darling at the ESPY's.More like he dint want his money to take a hit by being schooled by the A teams PG's.

BackStabbed the Knicks by giving them worked out contract numbers only to go rework them when he knew they would match.Im sorry but people defending this are crazy.Not every player goes and reworks contracts after they give a team numbers like that.Total Scumbag move

The guy doesnt want to be a Knick and I will tell U why. He already got his 55 million in endorsements because the Knicks gave him a chance in this city. To continue his brand he is going to need to Dominate the ball which isnt going to happen in NY. In Houston he will be the big fish and will be able to put up 20 and 8 because someone has to score the ball on that team. Here he is likely a 24 minute player who will be 11-13 ppg with 5-6 assists.Woodson can smile and say Lin is his guy but anyone who can read people can see his true feelings.J Kidd would be on the floor with JR Smith at the end of games because they can defend. Woodson doesnt want to be an up tempo team. They want to be a slow it down defensive team that plays in the low 90's because thats what it takes to beat Miami not Dantoni ball.

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7/16/2012  8:01 AM
Anyone else think the arguments are starting to get a little repetitive?
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7/16/2012  8:02 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/16/2012  8:06 AM
Jmpasq wrote:Love how this guy can do no wrong.

Could of played vs the Heat but didnt for FA

Could of practiced with Team USA to work on his game but chose to be a Media darling at the ESPY's.More like he dint want his money to take a hit by being schooled by the A teams PG's.

BackStabbed the Knicks by giving them worked out contract numbers only to go rework them when he knew they would match.Im sorry but people defending this are crazy.Not every player goes and reworks contracts after they give a team numbers like that.Total Scumbag move

The guy doesnt want to be a Knick and I will tell U why. He already got his 55 million in endorsements because the Knicks gave him a chance in this city. To continue his brand he is going to need to Dominate the ball which isnt going to happen in NY. In Houston he will be the big fish and will be able to put up 20 and 8 because someone has to score the ball on that team. Here he is likely a 24 minute player who will be 11-13 ppg with 5-6 assists.Woodson can smile and say Lin is his guy but anyone who can read people can see his true feelings.J Kidd would be on the floor with JR Smith at the end of games because they can defend. Woodson doesnt want to be an up tempo team. They want to be a slow it down defensive team that plays in the low 90's because thats what it takes to beat Miami not Dantoni ball.

Well, Jeremy Lin is out for his benefit. Making money is not a sin nor a disgraceful act. He doesn't owe Knicks anything. He got the job because they ran out of everyone else, period. He got his knees injured because he tried so hard to show himself and also keep Knicks in the playoff race. He also made money for Knicks from Asia. If anything, Knicks owe him (although I don't think anyone owes anyone anything if you really look into it). However, the problem/mistake was SOMEBODY opened their big mouths and said Knicks will match anything, and that was what sealed the deal for Houston to change the deal. Remember, Lin never signed anything before this and one can only speculate what really went wrong, and I personally think both Woodson and Lin were to be blamed, although I never read anything that Lin said caused it but who else would tell Houston that Knicks will match the previous offer? Oh wait, maybe Lin's agent... that's the only other guy that will do that.. and that makes him a sly idiot for causing all this drama

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7/16/2012  8:22 AM
JamesLin wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:Love how this guy can do no wrong.

Could of played vs the Heat but didnt for FA

Could of practiced with Team USA to work on his game but chose to be a Media darling at the ESPY's.More like he dint want his money to take a hit by being schooled by the A teams PG's.

BackStabbed the Knicks by giving them worked out contract numbers only to go rework them when he knew they would match.Im sorry but people defending this are crazy.Not every player goes and reworks contracts after they give a team numbers like that.Total Scumbag move

The guy doesnt want to be a Knick and I will tell U why. He already got his 55 million in endorsements because the Knicks gave him a chance in this city. To continue his brand he is going to need to Dominate the ball which isnt going to happen in NY. In Houston he will be the big fish and will be able to put up 20 and 8 because someone has to score the ball on that team. Here he is likely a 24 minute player who will be 11-13 ppg with 5-6 assists.Woodson can smile and say Lin is his guy but anyone who can read people can see his true feelings.J Kidd would be on the floor with JR Smith at the end of games because they can defend. Woodson doesnt want to be an up tempo team. They want to be a slow it down defensive team that plays in the low 90's because thats what it takes to beat Miami not Dantoni ball.

Well, Jeremy Lin is out for his benefit. Making money is not a sin nor a disgraceful act. He doesn't owe Knicks anything. He got the job because they ran out of everyone else, period. He got his knees injured because he tried so hard to show himself and also keep Knicks in the playoff race. He also made money for Knicks from Asia. If anything, Knicks owe him (although I don't think anyone owes anyone anything if you really look into it). However, the problem/mistake was SOMEBODY opened their big mouths and said Knicks will match anything, and that was what sealed the deal for Houston to change the deal. Remember, Lin never signed anything before this and one can only speculate what really went wrong, and I personally think both Woodson and Lin were to be blamed, although I never read anything that Lin said caused it but who else would tell Houston that Knicks will match the previous offer? Oh wait, maybe Lin's agent... that's the only other guy that will do that.. and that makes him a sly idiot for causing all this drama

Of course he has every right to make his money. Im sick of Knick fans painting him as innocent in all of this and how its all the Knicks fault.That Melo is a money hungry pig that is anti team when Lin is doing the same type of thing. The Knicks got word from the agent about a 4 year deal that they had no problem matching. Usually when that is done thats it.Very rarely do agents then go redo contracts after a handshake agreement like that is made.If I was the Knicks I would be extremly pissed as well.I believe Lin decided he didnt want to play in NY and asked the agent to rework the deal so the Knicks wouldnt match. I really dont blame Line either. I believe its a better situation for his career in Houston. He will put up better numbers and play more minutes in Houston. He already has his endorsements locked up he doesnt need NY anymore he needs his numbers

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7/16/2012  8:29 AM
Jmpasq wrote:Of course he has every right to make his money. Im sick of Knick fans painting him as innocent in all of this and how its all the Knicks fault.That Melo is a money hungry pig that is anti team when Lin is doing the same type of thing. The Knicks got word from the agent about a 4 year deal that they had no problem matching. Usually when that is done thats it.Very rarely do agents then go redo contracts after a handshake agreement like that is made.If I was the Knicks I would be extremly pissed as well.I believe Lin decided he didnt want to play in NY and asked the agent to rework the deal so the Knicks wouldnt match. I really dont blame Line either. I believe its a better situation for his career in Houston. He will put up better numbers and play more minutes in Houston. He already has his endorsements locked up he doesnt need NY anymore he needs his numbers

Yeah, nobody is pure 'innocent' here for sure. I totally understand the Knicks being pissed at this 'backstab' they called it when Knicks is doing the same thing of trying to undercut what Lin is worth. The problem I have is, Lin is a moneymaker and we're gonna let the golden goose fly to Houston.. for nothing... absolutely nothing.. we can't even dump Amar'e's contract or get picks or get money from Houston for something.. that's what bothers me, and if I were Charles Dolan, I'd slap his son's head silly and say "Now look what you've NOT done and now this mess, go clean up and make some money by signing Lin and try to trade him before the 3rd year for someone better, like Chris Paul... by the way, your zipper's undone."

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7/16/2012  9:23 AM
Amare has become like the ARod of the Knicks
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7/16/2012  9:36 AM
fair weather fans. Everyone was in love with dude in year one. He had a bad year, you don't chuck a guy in the scrap heap because he has a bad season when, that season in question was 1, extremely compacted; 2, provided no time for training camp and 3, he was coming off an unforeseeable injury.

Had the issue been with his Knees, I'd agree but, as it is, you guys are just ridiculous. If he doesn't return to form then we can have a consensus, Trade Amare Chant. But until then, it is grossly premature.

We want guys to be loyal to New York but, where is our loyalty to NY players. This generation of Knick fans, their opinions are like cell phones. Every couple of months, a new one come out and the old one in completely forgotten about.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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7/16/2012  9:38 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:The level of desperation from the fans because of the risk of losing Lin is quite alarming. I want NY to match, but some here seem to desperately be holding to a belief Lin is the second coming of an ancient basketball savior. Linsanity was amazing and Lin has potential, but this level of insanity is... well.. crazy.

No he's just a much better buy than our current "superstars"

May I have some of what your smoking?

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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7/16/2012  9:39 AM
This topic got me thinking about 21 Jump Street when Ice Cube slams his desk and then yells repeatedly "Match Lin, and TRADE AMARE!"
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Match Lin, Trade Amare

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