[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Knicks give up Greek draft pick in Felton trade
Author Thread
earthmansurfer
Posts: 24005
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2005
Member: #858
Germany
7/15/2012  3:14 PM
I'm at a loss for words. First signing Fatso to be our PG, then no Lin and now this???

Not only will the Knicks lose Linsanity, they will lose their Greek flavor.

In the Raymond Felton deal in which a source told The Post spells the end of Jeremy Lin in New York, the Knicks gave up their second-round pick Kostas Papanikolaou of Olympiakos, selected 48th on June 28th.

Papanikolaou will not play next season but was slated to join the Knicks in 2013-14. On Draft Night, GM Glen Grunwald acknowledged Papanikolaou could be used as a trade chip because of his future stock.

Also in the deal was his teammate, Georgios Prentezis, whom the Knicks acquired from Dallas in the Tyson Chandler sign-and-trade in December. Prentezis' salary at Olympiakos made it impossible for them to bring him this season either.

The Post reported last night on its website the Knicks will not match Lin's $25M offer sheet with the $14.9M balloon payment because of the Felton deal, citing an NBA source. The Knicks also gained another former player in the Felton package, 39-year-old power forward Kurt Thomas. They signed and traded their free agent Jared Jeffries in the Felton deal.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/knicksblog/knicks_give_up_greek_draft_pick_MA3q9YPbHrQcQG0axeTQKO#ixzz20ii25Vgo

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
AUTOADVERT
JamesKPolk
Posts: 21204
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 3/15/2012
Member: #4093

7/15/2012  3:17 PM
Knicks have no assets for the next 5 years. Good job of managing their resources.
"Peace, plenty, and contentment reign throughout our borders, and our beloved country presents a sublime moral spectacle to the world." - James K Polk
AnubisADL
Posts: 27382
Alba Posts: 13
Joined: 6/29/2009
Member: #2771
USA
7/15/2012  3:20 PM
We gave up a rookie Euro who would have collected splinters all year? I dont see the problem.
NY Knicks - Retirement home for players and GMs
earthmansurfer
Posts: 24005
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2005
Member: #858
Germany
7/15/2012  3:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/15/2012  3:22 PM
We gave up Gadz semi-valuable contract, a nice defensive player in Jeffries, a pretty nice up and coming prospect in Papa and another Greek guy - all for an overweight PG who no one else wanted?

And we are letting Lin go. Man, what looked so good after the unions decision on bird rights has just taken an about face. Amazing job Dolan.

Anubis - We gave up somethings for a player nobody wanted. Think about that.

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
MaTT4281
Posts: 34896
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #538
USA
7/15/2012  3:22 PM
Waiting to see all the details come out first. We received two Euro prospects in the trade as well, no?
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
7/15/2012  3:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/15/2012  3:22 PM
AnubisADL wrote:We gave up a rookie Euro who would have collected splinters all year? I dont see the problem.

The problem is that there should not have been any reason to do an of this. Dolan's just looking for reasons to overpay players and give away as many draft picks as possible. He did the same thing (throw away picks) with the Camby S & T. He did the same thing the past 12 years actually.
IrishKnickFan
Posts: 23223
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 3/30/2012
Member: #4171

7/15/2012  3:22 PM
AnubisADL wrote:We gave up a rookie Euro who would have collected splinters all year? I dont see the problem.
You are dumber than i thought
AnubisADL
Posts: 27382
Alba Posts: 13
Joined: 6/29/2009
Member: #2771
USA
7/15/2012  3:24 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:We gave up a rookie Euro who would have collected splinters all year? I dont see the problem.

The problem is that there should not have been any reason to do an of this. Dolan's just looking for reasons to overpay players and give away as many draft picks as possible. He did the same thing (throw away picks) with the Camby S & T. He did the same thing the past 12 years actually.

Do you hear yourself. Knicks are trying to compete for a championship. That means rolling with the vets. They are trying to win as many games as possible to ensure a high draft seed. No time for developing players.

This is as clear as day. Knicks are being very transparent with their intent to compete RIGHT NOW. They are acquiring proven vets.

NY Knicks - Retirement home for players and GMs
AnubisADL
Posts: 27382
Alba Posts: 13
Joined: 6/29/2009
Member: #2771
USA
7/15/2012  3:25 PM
IrishKnickFan wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:We gave up a rookie Euro who would have collected splinters all year? I dont see the problem.
You are dumber than i thought

No, Im not obsessed with believing every 2nd rounder the Knicks draft is a futre star.

NY Knicks - Retirement home for players and GMs
ATrain
Posts: 21487
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/15/2010
Member: #3192

7/15/2012  3:27 PM
We got Felton, a tough ass defender, and the rights to a dude who makes it rain like Novak. I don't see the problem.
earthmansurfer
Posts: 24005
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2005
Member: #858
Germany
7/15/2012  3:27 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:We gave up a rookie Euro who would have collected splinters all year? I dont see the problem.
You are dumber than i thought

No, Im not obsessed with believing every 2nd rounder the Knicks draft is a futre star.

Well, we will never find out now. We got Fatso to be our PG out of this brilliant deal.
Papa was (I believe) the #1 rated prospect coming out of Europe (or that league) - for Felton. Really, think about that. For a free agent that teams WHO NEED PG's passed on. Really, think about it...

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
7/15/2012  3:31 PM
AnubisADL wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:We gave up a rookie Euro who would have collected splinters all year? I dont see the problem.

The problem is that there should not have been any reason to do an of this. Dolan's just looking for reasons to overpay players and give away as many draft picks as possible. He did the same thing (throw away picks) with the Camby S & T. He did the same thing the past 12 years actually.

Do you hear yourself. Knicks are trying to compete for a championship.


Do you hear yourself? This team competing for a championship is a joke.
RonRon
Posts: 25531
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 5/22/2002
Member: #246
7/15/2012  3:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/15/2012  3:43 PM
While Felton might not be in as high demand, he is still a versatile PG/SG that can defend both position, penetrate, and facilitate.
He is still much better than any vet minimum we probably have a shot at getting.

Nets got great deal with ex Bull Watson for a 2 year *player option*
Delonte West would be seeking more, but if we can could have signed him, he could have been a steal.

While I agree, Papa is a good prospect, nothing else we gave up has value.
He would be offered a poison pill in our future, plays the same position as Melo, and only way of avoiding poison pill is using the 3m MLE to sign him.
We gave up much more in the trade for Camby in terms of flexibility and value.


I am sure, Knicks tried to acquire Foye or whoever, but lets be honest, what team would be willing to trade with us, with just 1 2nd round pick in 2016, JJ/ Gadzurich's contract to offer?
What kind of player could we actually get back with that package?
A player not much better than the veteran's minimum, or a veteran's minimum player to a multi year deal like Reggie Evan's caliber.
Felton is far better than a such an acquisition.

If we could have traded for someone like Foye/Gary neal, without giving up Papa, I would prefer such a deal, but I don't think we can....

A better question would be, would it be better for the team to trade their 2016 or 17 or Papa that could be getting a poison pill after his 2 years?

*I don't know if we can trade 2016 pick cause Denver owns better of it*

This is where, overpaying for Camby hurts us....

Paladin55
Posts: 24321
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/6/2008
Member: #2098

7/15/2012  3:46 PM
AnubisADL wrote:We gave up a rookie Euro who would have collected splinters all year? I dont see the problem.

Has to do with a mindset. On another post I said the Greek would be gone soon, although I did not expect it to be this soon. Shumpert will be next.

One of the nice things about following a team is watching your young players mature and become productive. This is especially true in the NFL and MLB. They all don't work out, but that is how things go.

We've become a team with no youth and we are going to be dependent on whether or not the appropriate set of free agents are all available when the respective contracts of our present crop of players end. Young players, especially those who are part of a good franchise, are given a chance to play minor minutes, learn a system, and eventually emerge as starters. We have obviously decided that this is not a good idea.

Dolan is trying to build a team around 2 second level stars, one of whom may never be the player he was if his back does not heal, the other a guy who has decided that the team's offense has to revolve around him or he is not going to give a 100% effort. We now have 4 players who are 35 years of age, or more, and 3 who are 38 and above.

Can't wait for Herb Williams to suit up again, and Allan Houston to make a comeback.

No man is happy without a delusion of some kind. Delusions are as necessary to our happiness as realities- C.N. Bovee
IrishKnickFan
Posts: 23223
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 3/30/2012
Member: #4171

7/15/2012  3:49 PM
well now melo has what he wants the whole team is revolved around him. Hopefully he will see the second round for a change in is career i think he has teh worst playoff record in the NBA
mrKnickShot
Posts: 28157
Alba Posts: 16
Joined: 5/3/2011
Member: #3553

7/15/2012  3:49 PM
Say it ain't so that we gave up our Greek Savior!
earthmansurfer
Posts: 24005
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/26/2005
Member: #858
Germany
7/15/2012  3:57 PM
Paladin55 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:We gave up a rookie Euro who would have collected splinters all year? I dont see the problem.

Has to do with a mindset. On another post I said the Greek would be gone soon, although I did not expect it to be this soon. Shumpert will be next.

One of the nice things about following a team is watching your young players mature and become productive. This is especially true in the NFL and MLB. They all don't work out, but that is how things go.

We've become a team with no youth and we are going to be dependent on whether or not the appropriate set of free agents are all available when the respective contracts of our present crop of players end. Young players, especially those who are part of a good franchise, are given a chance to play minor minutes, learn a system, and eventually emerge as starters. We have obviously decided that this is not a good idea.

Dolan is trying to build a team around 2 second level stars, one of whom may never be the player he was if his back does not heal, the other a guy who has decided that the team's offense has to revolve around him or he is not going to give a 100% effort. We now have 4 players who are 35 years of age, or more, and 3 who are 38 and above.

Can't wait for Herb Williams to suit up again, and Allan Houston to make a comeback.

Good point about Stat - we hope he is ok. And IF he isn't, our other great scorer in Lin is gone.

Draft express btw - had Papa as the #1 rated International prospect. We traded that and more for Felton? The Brooklyn (where I'm born) Nets are looking better and better as an outlet. That would piss Dolan off if the fan base starts to leave.

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
Knicksfan
Posts: 33482
Alba Posts: 27
Joined: 7/5/2004
Member: #691
USA
7/15/2012  4:03 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:
Paladin55 wrote:
AnubisADL wrote:We gave up a rookie Euro who would have collected splinters all year? I dont see the problem.

Has to do with a mindset. On another post I said the Greek would be gone soon, although I did not expect it to be this soon. Shumpert will be next.

One of the nice things about following a team is watching your young players mature and become productive. This is especially true in the NFL and MLB. They all don't work out, but that is how things go.

We've become a team with no youth and we are going to be dependent on whether or not the appropriate set of free agents are all available when the respective contracts of our present crop of players end. Young players, especially those who are part of a good franchise, are given a chance to play minor minutes, learn a system, and eventually emerge as starters. We have obviously decided that this is not a good idea.

Dolan is trying to build a team around 2 second level stars, one of whom may never be the player he was if his back does not heal, the other a guy who has decided that the team's offense has to revolve around him or he is not going to give a 100% effort. We now have 4 players who are 35 years of age, or more, and 3 who are 38 and above.

Can't wait for Herb Williams to suit up again, and Allan Houston to make a comeback.

Good point about Stat - we hope he is ok. And IF he isn't, our other great scorer in Lin is gone.

Draft express btw - had Papa as the #1 rated International prospect. We traded that and more for Felton? The Brooklyn (where I'm born) Nets are looking better and better as an outlet. That would piss Dolan off if the fan base starts to leave.

Have fun rooting for the Nets.

Knicks_Fan
smackeddog
Posts: 38390
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 3/30/2005
Member: #883
7/15/2012  4:07 PM
Isn't this the same pick people were crying about on draft night, claiming we wasted it and he wouldn't come over for years if at all? Now it's been traded and it's a terrible, tragic loss.

Yep, it's worrying we have no assets, but as Lin and Fields have shown, under this cba it's going to be impossible to keep them anyway once it's time to get paid. Better to get cap space and poach another teams player (which they can't keep due to the new cba). In 3 yrs we can either rebuild or retool.

VCoug
Posts: 24935
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 3/28/2007
Member: #1406

7/15/2012  4:10 PM
smackeddog wrote:Isn't this the same pick people were crying about on draft night, claiming we wasted it and he wouldn't come over for years if at all? Now it's been traded and it's a terrible, tragic loss.

Yep, it's worrying we have no assets, but as Lin and Fields have shown, under this cba it's going to be impossible to keep them anyway once it's time to get paid. Better to get cap space and poach another teams player (which they can't keep due to the new cba). In 3 yrs we can either rebuild or retool.

We're not getting cap space, what are you talking about? For the next three years, the length of Lin's contract, we're in cap hell anyway.

Now the joy of my world is in Zion How beautiful if nothing more Than to wait at Zion's door I've never been in love like this before Now let me pray to keep you from The perils that will surely come
Knicks give up Greek draft pick in Felton trade

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy