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callmened
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the bottom line is: do the knicks think that any veteran (who would sign the mini vet: meeks, brewer, etc) is better than fields?

yes the knicks would be overpaying him to go over the luxury tax but who cares, they already ARE over the luxury tax and will be in a few yrs...also, the scrubs left on the mini vet market SUCK...lastly, im a big believer in continuity and fields knows lin and the system...

yes hes regressed but hes a solid role player who doesnt demand the ball. he'd be playing SG to start but JR would get most of the mins (RonRon i know you think that hes really a SF and he probably is; but its irrelevant because hes played the 2G for woody and the knix play a lot of 3 guard lineups anyways.)

knicks have approx 11 hours to decide...

match Toronto offer for Fields?
let Fields walk and sign a veteran 2G for mini-vet contract?
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7/14/2012  1:12 PM
Knicks fans should know a bad deal when they see it.

Any stats put up under D'Antoni should be null and void if he is no longer the coach. How many players got big deals playing for DAntoni?

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7/14/2012  1:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/14/2012  1:17 PM
Unfortunately Fields stunk under Dantoni too. Lets see $7 mil for a sf who can't shoot & who wont crack Woodsons rotation or $1-2mil for a sg who can actually shoot and open things up for melo, amare & lin hmm
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7/14/2012  1:24 PM
I had been pro-matching when it came to Landry, and I really do believe he will take a step forward with his game this summer.

However, the more our roster fills out, the less I can justify that contract. Shump coming back around the new year, JR signed for cheap, Novak signed, James White guaranteed a contract, even Kidd and Prigioni in the back court, which I can't wait to see, may lend to Lin spending some time at the 2. I'll keep rooting for Landry, but it's getting a little crowded since he's signed that offer.
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7/14/2012  1:50 PM
I think this Tommy Beer tweet says it all.

Landry Fields career playoff #’s (9 games, all starts): 4.8 ppg (39.1 FG%, 11.1 3PT%, 46.2 FT%), 2.2 rpg, 1.3 apg, 1.4 TO = $19 Million?

Then again that's Melo's fault.
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7/14/2012  2:24 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:I think this Tommy Beer tweet says it all.

Landry Fields career playoff #’s (9 games, all starts): 4.8 ppg (39.1 FG%, 11.1 3PT%, 46.2 FT%), 2.2 rpg, 1.3 apg, 1.4 TO = $19 Million?

Then again that's Melo's fault.

The good thing is that being a bad playoff or clutch performer can always change. Those numbers don't predict how he will be in those situations. One good moment or game can change everything.

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7/14/2012  4:09 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I think this Tommy Beer tweet says it all.

Landry Fields career playoff #’s (9 games, all starts): 4.8 ppg (39.1 FG%, 11.1 3PT%, 46.2 FT%), 2.2 rpg, 1.3 apg, 1.4 TO = $19 Million?

Then again that's Melo's fault.

The good thing is that being a bad playoff or clutch performer can always change. Those numbers don't predict how he will be in those situations. One good moment or game can change everything.


Yeah, we're talking about a sample of games small enough that you can count them on your two hands.
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7/14/2012  7:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/14/2012  7:10 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I think this Tommy Beer tweet says it all.

Landry Fields career playoff #’s (9 games, all starts): 4.8 ppg (39.1 FG%, 11.1 3PT%, 46.2 FT%), 2.2 rpg, 1.3 apg, 1.4 TO = $19 Million?

Then again that's Melo's fault.

The good thing is that being a bad playoff or clutch performer can always change. Those numbers don't predict how he will be in those situations. One good moment or game can change everything.

Arod. Sucked in the playoffs up until 2009 then went off


Wait a minute WTF am I talking about Fields is nowhere near as talented as AROD

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7/14/2012  7:12 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I think this Tommy Beer tweet says it all.

Landry Fields career playoff #’s (9 games, all starts): 4.8 ppg (39.1 FG%, 11.1 3PT%, 46.2 FT%), 2.2 rpg, 1.3 apg, 1.4 TO = $19 Million?

Then again that's Melo's fault.

The good thing is that being a bad playoff or clutch performer can always change. Those numbers don't predict how he will be in those situations. One good moment or game can change everything.


Yeah, we're talking about a sample of games small enough that you can count them on your two hands.

How about the last 35 games where he shot the same percentage from the foul line that Novak shot from three. 48.1 or 45.1. One or the other either way it was under 50%. Thats bad regardless of position and that has nothing to do with him playing out of position. Can Fields regain his touch, sure and I hope he does but regardless you can find a player like Fields.
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7/14/2012  7:20 PM
well, we will find out in a couple of hours, as the end of the business day, tonight, would be our last chance to keep Fields.
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7/14/2012  7:26 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I think this Tommy Beer tweet says it all.

Landry Fields career playoff #’s (9 games, all starts): 4.8 ppg (39.1 FG%, 11.1 3PT%, 46.2 FT%), 2.2 rpg, 1.3 apg, 1.4 TO = $19 Million?

Then again that's Melo's fault.

The good thing is that being a bad playoff or clutch performer can always change. Those numbers don't predict how he will be in those situations. One good moment or game can change everything.


Yeah, we're talking about a sample of games small enough that you can count them on your two hands.

How about the last 35 games where he shot the same percentage from the foul line that Novak shot from three. 48.1 or 45.1. One or the other either way it was under 50%. Thats bad regardless of position and that has nothing to do with him playing out of position. Can Fields regain his touch, sure and I hope he does but regardless you can find a player like Fields.


There are many facets to the game of basketball. It's bad thinking to assess a player by focusing on just one (FT shooting) in general, and especially just one for one half a season. It's like saying a whole forest is bad because it has one bad tree. It might be useful for the player to focus on it when thinking about what to work on in the off-season but it's bad thinking for us to assess the player's value by looking only at it. For an SG, last year Fields was a slightly below average scorer, well above average rebounder and above average at steals and assists. That was all in a down season.
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7/14/2012  7:27 PM
RonRon wrote:well, we will find out in a couple of hours, as the end of the business day, tonight, would be our last chance to keep Fields.

Really? I haven't heard anything about that? All I heard was that Grun hadn't even received the Lin offer.
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7/14/2012  7:34 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I think this Tommy Beer tweet says it all.

Landry Fields career playoff #’s (9 games, all starts): 4.8 ppg (39.1 FG%, 11.1 3PT%, 46.2 FT%), 2.2 rpg, 1.3 apg, 1.4 TO = $19 Million?

Then again that's Melo's fault.

The good thing is that being a bad playoff or clutch performer can always change. Those numbers don't predict how he will be in those situations. One good moment or game can change everything.


Yeah, we're talking about a sample of games small enough that you can count them on your two hands.

How about the last 35 games where he shot the same percentage from the foul line that Novak shot from three. 48.1 or 45.1. One or the other either way it was under 50%. Thats bad regardless of position and that has nothing to do with him playing out of position. Can Fields regain his touch, sure and I hope he does but regardless you can find a player like Fields.


There are many facets to the game of basketball. It's bad thinking to assess a player by focusing on just one (FT shooting) in general, and especially just one for one half a season. It's like saying a whole forest is bad because it has one bad tree. It might be useful for the player to focus on it when thinking about what to work on in the off-season but it's bad thinking for us to assess the player's value by looking only at it. For an SG, last year Fields was a slightly below average scorer, well above average rebounder and above average at steals and assists. That was all in a down season.

Why do you say a down season? You do not know what is down for him. He has had one good 1/2 season and several spurts of good play. The fact is we do not know who Landry is but at that price he can walk. He is a liability on one end and a good player on the other. Also, the reason why I point to FT because we all know he shot the ball bad generally but the FT is a place where he can control what's going on and it creates to many wasted possessions.
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7/14/2012  7:36 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
RonRon wrote:well, we will find out in a couple of hours, as the end of the business day, tonight, would be our last chance to keep Fields.

Really? I haven't heard anything about that? All I heard was that Grun hadn't even received the Lin offer.

yep, tonight is the night we all find out. They reported it during the summer league game several times.
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7/14/2012  7:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/14/2012  7:40 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Allanfan20 wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:I think this Tommy Beer tweet says it all.

Landry Fields career playoff #’s (9 games, all starts): 4.8 ppg (39.1 FG%, 11.1 3PT%, 46.2 FT%), 2.2 rpg, 1.3 apg, 1.4 TO = $19 Million?

Then again that's Melo's fault.

The good thing is that being a bad playoff or clutch performer can always change. Those numbers don't predict how he will be in those situations. One good moment or game can change everything.


Yeah, we're talking about a sample of games small enough that you can count them on your two hands.

How about the last 35 games where he shot the same percentage from the foul line that Novak shot from three. 48.1 or 45.1. One or the other either way it was under 50%. Thats bad regardless of position and that has nothing to do with him playing out of position. Can Fields regain his touch, sure and I hope he does but regardless you can find a player like Fields.


There are many facets to the game of basketball. It's bad thinking to assess a player by focusing on just one (FT shooting) in general, and especially just one for one half a season. It's like saying a whole forest is bad because it has one bad tree. It might be useful for the player to focus on it when thinking about what to work on in the off-season but it's bad thinking for us to assess the player's value by looking only at it. For an SG, last year Fields was a slightly below average scorer, well above average rebounder and above average at steals and assists. That was all in a down season.

Why do you say a down season? You do not know what is down for him. He has had one good 1/2 season and several spurts of good play. The fact is we do not know who Landry is but at that price he can walk. He is a liability on one end and a good player on the other. Also, the reason why I point to FT because we all know he shot the ball bad generally but the FT is a place where he can control what's going on and it creates to many wasted possessions.


It's down relative to the bigger, more representative sample: his career #s. But we don't need to get into a semantic battle here.

Even if we want to exclude all the things Fields does best (rebounding, passing, steals) and focus just on scoring, anyone who (correctly) points out that Fields was bad from the FT and 3 pt line should also mention how great he was at 2 point shots. He had the second highest percentage out of all SGs (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals/sort/twoPointFieldGoalPct/position/shooting-guards)
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