gunsnewing wrote:Like I said flexibility should not be blamed on Lin but on Melo & Amare. Once we paid then 20mil each we lost all flexibility. Fortunately Grunwald has been very creative in using the little resources left. And we will still have the lle, vet min and excellent scouting overseas to fill out the roster

Lin hasnt proven a dam thing. Amare and Melo have both PROVEN they are max players.

Lin has played 25 good games and the rest mediocre.

AnubisADL wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Like I said flexibility should not be blamed on Lin but on Melo & Amare. Once we paid then 20mil each we lost all flexibility. Fortunately Grunwald has been very creative in using the little resources left. And we will still have the lle, vet min and excellent scouting overseas to fill out the roster

Lin hasnt proven a dam thing. Amare and Melo have both PROVEN they are max players.

Lin has played 25 good games and the rest mediocre.

We won't have flexibility regardless if we resign Lin or not. That money is already being spent on the rest of the team. This isn't about whether or not Lin has proven himself. It's not about whether or not we'd rather have Lin or another player because resigning Lin doesn't affect our ability to get that other player. The only question is are we better off with Lin or without him?

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:It's pretty valuable and really the only way to sign free agents once a team is over the cap. What most of the board seems to be missing is that, whether or not we match Lin's offer sheet, we're still going to be over the luxury tax and we're still going to be limited to the mini-MLE. The choice is between having Lin and offering a future free agent $3M/year and not having Lin and offering a future free agent $3M/year. The only affect that Lin's contract will have is how much luxury tax Dolan will have to pay, period.

I'm not sure how u arrive at that conclusion given the luxury tax threshold hasn't been set yet for that year and is currently at 70.7 mil I believe for next season...The Knicks will be under that even if we added another 5 mil per on the books after we add Camby and Kidd...Which means we will be able to have the MLE if we remain under the luxury tax threshold..

In year 3 of Lin's contract, the year that everyone is freaking out about, we already have $61.5M committed to Melo, Amare, and Tyson. We have a team option for Shumpert of $2.7M, which I'm going to assume that we pick up, that brings the cap number to $64M. We'll be paying Kidd and Camby around $8M combined which brings us to $72M. Steve Novak will be getting paid around $4M which brings us to $76M. We have a first round pick next year that will cost us around $1.5M and brings us to $77.5M. We still have 4 spots to fill and even if we sign UDFA's for those spots we'd still be spending a combined $2M bringing our total salary in 2014-2015 to at least $79.5M. If we use our MLE in either of the next two years you can add another $2.5M for each time we use it.

This year the luxury tax kicks in at $70M and the penalties regarding player salaries start when a team goes $4M over the luxury tax; that number includes the MLE if you use it that year. We would need the luxury tax plus the $4M apron to increase to $86M minimum in order to use the full MLE that season. If we also want to use the BAE we'd need it to increase to $88M. I'm going to guarantee that the luxury tax threshold does not increase by a minimum of $12M after the next two seasons.

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:It's pretty valuable and really the only way to sign free agents once a team is over the cap. What most of the board seems to be missing is that, whether or not we match Lin's offer sheet, we're still going to be over the luxury tax and we're still going to be limited to the mini-MLE. The choice is between having Lin and offering a future free agent $3M/year and not having Lin and offering a future free agent $3M/year. The only affect that Lin's contract will have is how much luxury tax Dolan will have to pay, period.

I'm not sure how u arrive at that conclusion given the luxury tax threshold hasn't been set yet for that year and is currently at 70.7 mil I believe for next season...The Knicks will be under that even if we added another 5 mil per on the books after we add Camby and Kidd...Which means we will be able to have the MLE if we remain under the luxury tax threshold..

In year 3 of Lin's contract, the year that everyone is freaking out about, we already have $61.5M committed to Melo, Amare, and Tyson. We have a team option for Shumpert of $2.7M, which I'm going to assume that we pick up, that brings the cap number to $64M. We'll be paying Kidd and Camby around $8M combined which brings us to $72M. Steve Novak will be getting paid around $4M which brings us to $76M. We have a first round pick next year that will cost us around $1.5M and brings us to $77.5M. We still have 4 spots to fill and even if we sign UDFA's for those spots we'd still be spending a combined $2M bringing our total salary in 2014-2015 to at least $79.5M. If we use our MLE in either of the next two years you can add another $2.5M for each time we use it.

This year the luxury tax kicks in at $70M and the penalties regarding player salaries start when a team goes $4M over the luxury tax; that number includes the MLE if you use it that year. We would need the luxury tax plus the $4M apron to increase to $86M minimum in order to use the full MLE that season. If we also want to use the BAE we'd need it to increase to $88M. I'm going to guarantee that the luxury tax threshold does not increase by a minimum of $12M after the next two seasons.

You are rounding up and down to suit your argument when these millions matters...Camby will be at 4.4 mil, Kidd at 3 mil, Novak at 3.7 mil and the luxury is at 70.7 mil...I also forgot about JR who will be at 2.8 mil if the contract goes that long...We don't know where the cap number will be set at...Small contracts you can trade to remain under the cap if need be...No telling what moves can be made now to maintain this picture...To say that adding 14.8 mil in 2014 won't have an effect on our threshold is grossly misstating the actual situation...

Whatever rounding I did would be erased if we sign someone for more than the rookie minimum. Camby, Kidd, and Novak will be making those amounts assuming they aren't getting any raises but usually there are raises built into contracts so those three will be making more than that. And no, I didn't include JR because he only signed a 2-year extension. If you'd like to include him then add another $3M to the total. No, we don't know where the cap will be but I feel confident saying it won't increase by the amount we would need. I'm not misstating anything, regardless of whether or not we match Lin's contract there's virtually no chance we'll be able to use the full MLE or the BAE.