EnySpree wrote:Aside from the age difference...

Camby is the better rebounder and shot blocker of the three.

It's up for debate if Amare is capable of scoring the way he has in the past without a pick and roll offense to showcase him. Without a heavy pick and roll offense he's basically useless. Melo is the more efficient scorer so Amare is the second option. Amare has no post game and likes to bully guys to the rim. He's prone to his shot getting blocked and commiting offensive fouls....

Tyson can't post up, neither can Camby....Tyson is excellent in the pick and roll. Camby is capable. Neither player needs a play called for them to make an impact on the game. Amare needs plays called for him or he is useless.

Tyson has no confidence in the 15 footer...Camby can knock it out to 18-20ft...Amare has the range out to three if his energy is up, meaning he needs touches to get it going.

All three can run the floor with the best of them.

Amare has no defense. He will come in and help with the block shot every once in a while. Tyson is great with man to man and he is active and alert to clog paths and hold position. Camby is best chasing rebounds and blocks. He is very good one on one too. It's very hard to beat Camby to a rebound. He is also very intimidating protecting the basket

fishmike wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Aside from the age difference...

Camby is the better rebounder and shot blocker of the three.

It's up for debate if Amare is capable of scoring the way he has in the past without a pick and roll offense to showcase him. Without a heavy pick and roll offense he's basically useless. Melo is the more efficient scorer so Amare is the second option. Amare has no post game and likes to bully guys to the rim. He's prone to his shot getting blocked and commiting offensive fouls....

Tyson can't post up, neither can Camby....Tyson is excellent in the pick and roll. Camby is capable. Neither player needs a play called for them to make an impact on the game. Amare needs plays called for him or he is useless.

Tyson has no confidence in the 15 footer...Camby can knock it out to 18-20ft...Amare has the range out to three if his energy is up, meaning he needs touches to get it going.

All three can run the floor with the best of them.

Amare has no defense. He will come in and help with the block shot every once in a while. Tyson is great with man to man and he is active and alert to clog paths and hold position. Camby is best chasing rebounds and blocks. He is very good one on one too. It's very hard to beat Camby to a rebound. He is also very intimidating protecting the basket

based on what? Please explain. Show me anything tangible that shows Melo is more efficient. Melo is barely at league average

According to John Hollinger he is:

Carmelo Anthony, 21.15 PER
Amare Stoudemire, 17.73 PER

fishmike wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Aside from the age difference...

Camby is the better rebounder and shot blocker of the three.

It's up for debate if Amare is capable of scoring the way he has in the past without a pick and roll offense to showcase him. Without a heavy pick and roll offense he's basically useless. Melo is the more efficient scorer so Amare is the second option. Amare has no post game and likes to bully guys to the rim. He's prone to his shot getting blocked and commiting offensive fouls....

Tyson can't post up, neither can Camby....Tyson is excellent in the pick and roll. Camby is capable. Neither player needs a play called for them to make an impact on the game. Amare needs plays called for him or he is useless.

Tyson has no confidence in the 15 footer...Camby can knock it out to 18-20ft...Amare has the range out to three if his energy is up, meaning he needs touches to get it going.

All three can run the floor with the best of them.

Amare has no defense. He will come in and help with the block shot every once in a while. Tyson is great with man to man and he is active and alert to clog paths and hold position. Camby is best chasing rebounds and blocks. He is very good one on one too. It's very hard to beat Camby to a rebound. He is also very intimidating protecting the basket

based on what? Please explain. Show me anything tangible that shows Melo is more efficient. Melo is barely at league average

He could be, by from his history, he is a high volume scorer.
Thing is he takes bad shots and is capable of hitting them, as he has his entire career.

If he would just stop taking those type of bad shots and learn to use his abilities to score, to making plays, freeing a step for a player, hitting the open man/cutter, and utilizing his team mates like Lebron did in the playoffs. Melo is selfish, it is always about him, and him alone, that will forever be his biggest problem/his ego.

Dantoni tried to make him the leader and to make plays for others, as point/forward. While he might not be a point forward, Dantoni knew he was his best player, and he had to only ability to make plays for others. It was Dantoni's nice way of telling Melo to STOP TRYING TO SCORE ALONE AND HELP YOUR TEAM MATES GET GOOD LOOKS.

I don't think Amare meshes in, between Tyson and Melo, he should be looked at to come of the bench if it continues.
But it could bruise Amare's ego, it would be best of Amare asks to be part of the 2nd unit like Ginobili does for the Spurs.
Chandler is very effective with the PnR, without Amare, it was proven during Linsanity.
Chandler holds back Amare, just as much as Amare holds Chandler back on both ends of the floor.
This is true on the defensive end and the offensive end, Amare is just put in the middle between Chandler/Melo that takes away his effectiveness and becomes a liability.

Some options would include...

A player like Anthony Tolliver, would fit much better, with his ability to spread the floor, grab rebounds, fun the floor well, and not have to worry about getting shots for Amare to get going.

Dejuan Blairre as a legit post option, that can make players much better.

Ivan Johnson or AR, as defensive PF/C that can rebound/block shots that would be the anchor of the team and compliment Tyson Chandler's abilities, it would be a multiplying effect when Iman comes back.

Ahmad Nivins is a poor mans Taj Gibson/ Paul Milsapp, he is on the summer league and was part of the Dallas trade for Tyson Chandler.

Copeland if he can be stretch 3/4 that can space the floor and allow Melo to post up more and force double teams, to create open shots for others.

Those 5 different type of players, that would completely change the identity of the team, and allow a different philosophy.
Instead of changing lineups in the middle of the season, with all the analysts, news papers, and media that would mentally cause drama between the move.
It would be best for the team, to say "I think Amare would be a great 6th man role, with the new depth acquired this sesaon"
If we keep the same starting lineup, we will continue to have problems as we face the good/elite teams, as we have been exposed.
Camby, unlike Chandler, moves slightly faster and can hit the 12 footer to open up Amare.
Our 2nd unit has the shooters, to space him out, along with Kidd/Pablo, that are pass first/PnR players.

We do not have many roster spots, so we would have to choose between these of players, as well as fill up our other backup positions with PG/SG, and G/F.
Our PGs, Lin just came back from surgery, Kidd, and Pablo are not young, Iman out indefinitely, so it would make sense to have a PG/SG that would hold some insurance.
I don't think Kidd *3rd option* is a penetration threat with his current age, same with Pablo, so aside from Lin, we do need another player that can break defenses down, and not be much of a defensive liability.
Kidd, Pablo, and Jr Smith, can all handle the ball but are not good players that can penetrate and finish strong at the rim, without PF and Centers that can space them out for the lane.
Kidd and Pablo are both superb passers though, that can feed the cutters, and big men for a alley hoops, especially when our opponents bigs are worried about the penetration of Lin + just say a JJ Barea/Randy Foye.

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Aside from the age difference...

Camby is the better rebounder and shot blocker of the three.

It's up for debate if Amare is capable of scoring the way he has in the past without a pick and roll offense to showcase him. Without a heavy pick and roll offense he's basically useless. Melo is the more efficient scorer so Amare is the second option. Amare has no post game and likes to bully guys to the rim. He's prone to his shot getting blocked and commiting offensive fouls....

Tyson can't post up, neither can Camby....Tyson is excellent in the pick and roll. Camby is capable. Neither player needs a play called for them to make an impact on the game. Amare needs plays called for him or he is useless.

Tyson has no confidence in the 15 footer...Camby can knock it out to 18-20ft...Amare has the range out to three if his energy is up, meaning he needs touches to get it going.

All three can run the floor with the best of them.

Amare has no defense. He will come in and help with the block shot every once in a while. Tyson is great with man to man and he is active and alert to clog paths and hold position. Camby is best chasing rebounds and blocks. He is very good one on one too. It's very hard to beat Camby to a rebound. He is also very intimidating protecting the basket

based on what? Please explain. Show me anything tangible that shows Melo is more efficient. Melo is barely at league average

According to John Hollinger he is:

Carmelo Anthony, 21.15 PER
Amare Stoudemire, 17.73 PER

PER is NOT a measure of scoring efficiency. You know PER includes steals, rebounds, assists and many other stats? True shooting % is the best measure of scoring efficiency. Here are the rankings:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012_advanced_stats.html

Yes I know, it just means Carmelo is better all around player than Amare.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Aside from the age difference...

Camby is the better rebounder and shot blocker of the three.

It's up for debate if Amare is capable of scoring the way he has in the past without a pick and roll offense to showcase him. Without a heavy pick and roll offense he's basically useless. Melo is the more efficient scorer so Amare is the second option. Amare has no post game and likes to bully guys to the rim. He's prone to his shot getting blocked and commiting offensive fouls....

Tyson can't post up, neither can Camby....Tyson is excellent in the pick and roll. Camby is capable. Neither player needs a play called for them to make an impact on the game. Amare needs plays called for him or he is useless.

Tyson has no confidence in the 15 footer...Camby can knock it out to 18-20ft...Amare has the range out to three if his energy is up, meaning he needs touches to get it going.

All three can run the floor with the best of them.

Amare has no defense. He will come in and help with the block shot every once in a while. Tyson is great with man to man and he is active and alert to clog paths and hold position. Camby is best chasing rebounds and blocks. He is very good one on one too. It's very hard to beat Camby to a rebound. He is also very intimidating protecting the basket

based on what? Please explain. Show me anything tangible that shows Melo is more efficient. Melo is barely at league average

According to John Hollinger he is:

Carmelo Anthony, 21.15 PER
Amare Stoudemire, 17.73 PER

PER is NOT a measure of scoring efficiency. You know PER includes steals, rebounds, assists and many other stats? True shooting % is the best measure of scoring efficiency. Here are the rankings:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2012_advanced_stats.html

Yes I know, it just means Carmelo is better all around player than Amare.

crzymdups wrote:As for the OP - I think Tyson Camby and Amar'e should all be playing around 30 minutes per night. Maybe less for Camby. But I think it's important to keep Tyson and Amar'e fresh.

There are 96 minutes between the PF and C position for a game. I imagine in the playoffs the big man rotation will just be those three guys.

It'd be nice to get a 4th big to eat up some of those minutes during the regular season though. Jeffries? Someone else?

I think you have to give Melo some minutes at PF, depending on the opposing team's lineup. I just read an article about him as a center for Team USA!

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/21971/melo-could-play-more-center-with-team-usa

"We're too small."

That's the biggest knock Carmelo Anthony has been hearing about his Team USA squad looking to repeat gold in the Summer Olympics.

But during a blowout 113-59 victory over the Dominican Republic on Thursday night in an exhibition game at UNLV's Thomas & Mack Center, Team USA displayed its versatility, with even Anthony playing some center.

Melo finished with 13 points and five rebounds as the team's starting power forward -- a position he played on the Knicks this past season when Amare Stoudemire hurt his lower back in late March. Then during the game, Melo moved to the five, where he battled against center Al Horford, who plays for the Hawks.

While Tyson Chandler is the only true center on the team -- Dwight Howard is not on the roster, as he's recovering from offseason back surgery -- Anthony said that their athleticism provides them an advantage, where they have interchangeable parts.

"Right now, I can definitely say we're a very athletic team, probably more athletic than we were in '08," he said. "The guys that we have can play multiple positions and do a lot of different things."

Looking ahead, Anthony could likely play more in the middle due to Blake Griffin's absence. The Clippers All-Star power forward left Las Vegas on Thursday for Los Angeles, where a medical evaluation revealed a medial meniscus tear in his left knee.

"We're going to have to play some different lineups where you're not going to see a 6-10 guy," Team USA coach Mike Krzyzewski said following the game.

At 6-8, 230, with his strength and ability to score in the post, Anthony will be able to bang with most bigs during the Olympics. But Spain (with NBA brothers Pau and Marc Gasol) will present the biggest problems. Anthony said he hasn't spoken to Coach K yet about any revised role.

Story if my life....

Melo can do both. Melo showed he was remarkably efficient as a post scorer. Melo can create offense from anywhere on the floor- its not always efficient, but we can see when he gets hot he can put in 40+ in a game creating by himself. You need a player like that who can freelance, especially at the end of ballgames when its easy to collapse on a guy like Amare.

The great thing about Tyson and Camby is they are great frontcourt complements to scorers like Amare and Melo. They finish from close or hit short jumpers. They don't need to set up with the ball, so they can let Amare and Melo do their thing without getting in the way. Another underrated aspect is that they clean up the offensive glass and can help finish a possession with putbacks. Defensively, they make up for deficiencies. Both are great help defenders, can clear the glass and Camby especially is an amazing shotblocker.