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Let's Face it!! We a going to wind up with the same old sorry azz team as last year. No upgrades!Dolan makes his$$$ Melo style
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Papabear
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6/30/2012  9:29 AM
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We are stuck and we ain't going past the second round maybe not the first round. We are stuck with what we have and that's it. The NBA is designed to keep there foot on our neck. Management has gotten too big and I think soon it will be time for another ABA only the strong survive and all it takes is 2 teams from a major market to move and thats it. A team like New York should not be hand cuff. We should be like the Yankees if you got the money spend it.!!
The way it is going we will never win a championship.

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6/30/2012  9:35 AM
I think youre being too hard on the team. U must be optimistic yet realistic...we were garbage for ten yrs...the last two yrs weve upgraded the talent and improved. Last yr we had the equivalent of a 45 win team...and we were bit with the injury bug. If we stay healthy..buy into woodys defense and when lin improves well b better...have faith

No were not on the level of miami but most teams are not either

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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6/30/2012  9:39 AM
I dont think this team should change much...i like our roster alot. We should jus add some rontcourt depth.replace jj and gadzuric. I dont think we need a backup pg or more sg (we hv 3). And im on record of saying td can give us 10mpg at backip pg
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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6/30/2012  9:44 AM
We got hit bad with the injury bug last year. If this team stays healthy they can make some noise. We just need a few pieces and we're good to go. 50+ wins and top 3 seed is where this team is headed. Have some faith, things could be much much worse.
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6/30/2012  9:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/30/2012  9:50 AM
I'm disappointed Dolan didn't trade for/buy any 1st rd picks. He's a big spender but only when it comes to starphucking. We should be using our financial edge to come out with 2 to 3 1st rd picks every year.
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6/30/2012  9:51 AM
Knicks just won the birds rights case . They now have money to add a quality vet. It appears that they are bringing back 12 or13 guys from last year so there was no room for them to add a player to their roster from the draft. Drafting Kostas as was the right move because no one they took was beating out Kidd,foye, etc once they are added with the mle. Winning the birds rights case, getting the mle to use on a quality vet, and stashing a pick in Europe is about the best the Knicks could do given their circumstances.
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6/30/2012  9:55 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:I'm disappointed Dolan didn't trade for/buy any 1st rd picks. He's a big spender but only when it comes to starphucking. We should be using our financial edge to come out with 2 to 3 1st rd picks every year.

This has been talked about before, the new CBA only allows teams to use $3M in trades every year; we already used our $3M to trade for Tyson Chandler. Prior to this new CBA we were buying picks during the draft, that's how we got Jerome Jordan, Toney Douglas, and Josh Harrelson in recent years.

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6/30/2012  9:56 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:I'm disappointed Dolan didn't trade for/buy any 1st rd picks. He's a big spender but only when it comes to starphucking. We should be using our financial edge to come out with 2 to 3 1st rd picks every year.

I agree that we should've found a way to get into the first round. Some good players slipped. But I guess Grunwald and Woody think the roster is really close and would be better served using money on veteran free agents.

I have a feeling that one of JR or Fields wont be here and we'll end up with some guys like Kidd, Fisher, Redd, Kenyon Martin, or some combo of front court and backcourt help.

On paper we're not very far but it all depends on STAT playing up to his contract, everyones continued improvement on D and Woody putting everyone in the best position to score.
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6/30/2012  9:57 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:I'm disappointed Dolan didn't trade for/buy any 1st rd picks. He's a big spender but only when it comes to starphucking. We should be using our financial edge to come out with 2 to 3 1st rd picks every year.

He wasn't allowed to buy a pick under the new CBA because teams are only allowed to spend a. Certain amount on transactions annually and the Knicks already had done that. I think the only guys they would trade are gadz and toney.
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6/30/2012  9:57 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:I'm disappointed Dolan didn't trade for/buy any 1st rd picks. He's a big spender but only when it comes to starphucking. We should be using our financial edge to come out with 2 to 3 1st rd picks every year.

He wasn't allowed to buy a pick under the new CBA because teams are only allowed to spend a. Certain amount on transactions annually and the Knicks already had done that. I think the only guys they would trade are gadz and toney.
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6/30/2012  9:57 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Knicks just won the birds rights case . They now have money to add a quality vet. It appears that they are bringing back 12 or13 guys from last year so there was no room for them to add a player to their roster from the draft. Drafting Kostas as was the right move because no one they took was beating out Kidd,foye, etc once they are added with the mle. Winning the birds rights case, getting the mle to use on a quality vet, and stashing a pick in Europe is about the best the Knicks could do given their circumstances.

Then that's part of the problem. We are tied with $40 mil and 2 roster spots on Amare and Melo but they still should not be bringing back JR Smith and Douglas, unless Douglas is healthy and drilling jump-shots. Bringing back Bibby and Baron Davis is obviously not necessary either. Actually, I see only 9 players under contract when I look at the roster on hoopshype.
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6/30/2012  9:58 AM
VCoug wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:I'm disappointed Dolan didn't trade for/buy any 1st rd picks. He's a big spender but only when it comes to starphucking. We should be using our financial edge to come out with 2 to 3 1st rd picks every year.

This has been talked about before, the new CBA only allows teams to use $3M in trades every year; we already used our $3M to trade for Tyson Chandler. Prior to this new CBA we were buying picks during the draft, that's how we got Jerome Jordan, Toney Douglas, and Josh Harrelson in recent years.


You can include $3 mil as a cash incentive in a trade only once a year? Is that what you're saying? I had not heard of that. That really sucks if correct. How exactly does that work? I would have thought Tyson was last year, not this year.
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6/30/2012  10:01 AM
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Bonn1997 wrote:I'm disappointed Dolan didn't trade for/buy any 1st rd picks. He's a big spender but only when it comes to starphucking. We should be using our financial edge to come out with 2 to 3 1st rd picks every year.

I agree that we should've found a way to get into the first round. Some good players slipped. But I guess Grunwald and Woody think the roster is really close and would be better served using money on veteran free agents.

I have a feeling that one of JR or Fields wont be here and we'll end up with some guys like Kidd, Fisher, Redd, Kenyon Martin, or some combo of front court and backcourt help.

On paper we're not very far but it all depends on STAT playing up to his contract, everyones continued improvement on D and Woody putting everyone in the best position to score.

How could the Knicks have gotten into the first round? I don't believe they can trade a 1st round pick until 2016.

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6/30/2012  10:03 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:I'm disappointed Dolan didn't trade for/buy any 1st rd picks. He's a big spender but only when it comes to starphucking. We should be using our financial edge to come out with 2 to 3 1st rd picks every year.

I agree that we should've found a way to get into the first round. Some good players slipped. But I guess Grunwald and Woody think the roster is really close and would be better served using money on veteran free agents.

I have a feeling that one of JR or Fields wont be here and we'll end up with some guys like Kidd, Fisher, Redd, Kenyon Martin, or some combo of front court and backcourt help.

On paper we're not very far but it all depends on STAT playing up to his contract, everyones continued improvement on D and Woody putting everyone in the best position to score.

How could the Knicks have gotten into the first round? I don't believe they can trade a 1st round pick until 2016.


They would be trading for not trading away a first round pick. Unless you're saying they can't trade for a 1st rd pick until 2016.
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6/30/2012  10:06 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Knicks just won the birds rights case . They now have money to add a quality vet. It appears that they are bringing back 12 or13 guys from last year so there was no room for them to add a player to their roster from the draft. Drafting Kostas as was the right move because no one they took was beating out Kidd,foye, etc once they are added with the mle. Winning the birds rights case, getting the mle to use on a quality vet, and stashing a pick in Europe is about the best the Knicks could do given their circumstances.

Then that's part of the problem. We are tied with $40 mil and 2 roster spots on Amare and Melo but they still should not be bringing back JR Smith and Douglas, unless Douglas is healthy and drilling jump-shots. Bringing back Bibby and Baron Davis is obviously not necessary either. Actually, I see only 9 players under contract when I look at the roster on hoopshype.

They already committed to Douglas. Personally I don't think they can get better value than jr for what they will be able to pay him. They could let him walk but I think they still would only have the 3mil mle.

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6/30/2012  10:08 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:I'm disappointed Dolan didn't trade for/buy any 1st rd picks. He's a big spender but only when it comes to starphucking. We should be using our financial edge to come out with 2 to 3 1st rd picks every year.

I agree that we should've found a way to get into the first round. Some good players slipped. But I guess Grunwald and Woody think the roster is really close and would be better served using money on veteran free agents.

I have a feeling that one of JR or Fields wont be here and we'll end up with some guys like Kidd, Fisher, Redd, Kenyon Martin, or some combo of front court and backcourt help.

On paper we're not very far but it all depends on STAT playing up to his contract, everyones continued improvement on D and Woody putting everyone in the best position to score.

How could the Knicks have gotten into the first round? I don't believe they can trade a 1st round pick until 2016.


They would be trading for not trading away a first round pick. Unless you're saying they can't trade for a 1st rd pick until 2016.

I am saying they don't have anything to trade.

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Bonn1997 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:I'm disappointed Dolan didn't trade for/buy any 1st rd picks. He's a big spender but only when it comes to starphucking. We should be using our financial edge to come out with 2 to 3 1st rd picks every year.

This has been talked about before, the new CBA only allows teams to use $3M in trades every year; we already used our $3M to trade for Tyson Chandler. Prior to this new CBA we were buying picks during the draft, that's how we got Jerome Jordan, Toney Douglas, and Josh Harrelson in recent years.


You can include $3 mil as a cash incentive in a trade only once a year? Is that what you're saying? I had not heard of that. That really sucks if correct. How exactly does that work? I would have thought Tyson was last year, not this year.

Yeah, unfortunately. There's definitely some confusion as to when the clock resets and you can spend the $3M again, but all the reports said that it wasn't going to be in time for the draft. My best guess is that it will reset, at the earliest, when free agency begins.

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6/30/2012  10:12 AM
VCoug wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
VCoug wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:I'm disappointed Dolan didn't trade for/buy any 1st rd picks. He's a big spender but only when it comes to starphucking. We should be using our financial edge to come out with 2 to 3 1st rd picks every year.

This has been talked about before, the new CBA only allows teams to use $3M in trades every year; we already used our $3M to trade for Tyson Chandler. Prior to this new CBA we were buying picks during the draft, that's how we got Jerome Jordan, Toney Douglas, and Josh Harrelson in recent years.


You can include $3 mil as a cash incentive in a trade only once a year? Is that what you're saying? I had not heard of that. That really sucks if correct. How exactly does that work? I would have thought Tyson was last year, not this year.

Yeah, unfortunately. There's definitely some confusion as to when the clock resets and you can spend the $3M again, but all the reports said that it wasn't going to be in time for the draft. My best guess is that it will reset, at the earliest, when free agency begins.


OK, thanks for the info.

I am saying they don't have anything to trade.

OK, now I see what you mean.
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6/30/2012  11:40 AM
Only uneducated people would want JR gone based on his shooting stats.
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6/30/2012  11:44 AM
I've never heard "lack of education" as a stereotype of people examining shooting efficiency, win shares, and related stats. Usually it's the exact opposite - highly educated nerds.
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