Mray20 wrote:I don't think Donnie did such a spectaculajob here he was brought in to clear cap space, he handled the Marbury debacle terribly , drafted Jordan Hill instead of Brandon Jennings and I feel we could have gotten Carmelo for less if he would have pulled the trigger earlier on that deal instead of being stubborn just my opinon I wish him well he was a class act.

He admits to not being in the ball with Jennings. But hindsight is easy and Jennings was not an easy read.

He handled Marbury perfectly. Marbury created his own situation. He was told to come in to camp in shape, which he did. He played well in preseason and the notion was his expiring would be desirable. Nobody wanted him. Dolan don't like to pay guys to go away. Marbury in Boston was never the same player. MDA was correct to keep his toxic nature away from the team.

Marbury was a problem long before Donnie and MDA got here. Im not sure anyone could have handled it better. The only alternative was to play him? Start him? Think he would be happy being a role player? Really, what was the alternative.

As far as Melo, What you feel has long been argued in length about the price for Melo. IN fact if you follow the situation you might conclude that Donnie left because Dolan took over the negotiations that lead to the high price paid and thus handicapped the team which has proven to be cause of our lack of depth. Maybe with Donnie in place we pay less or go with Deron Williams who might have been a better fit if Tyson woudl be in the equation.

It the collective opinion that Melo to New York and the price we paid was not tied to Donnie but to Dolan's insistance.

Lots of things have to happen. Donnie was the GM and they don't work for us but the owner. The owner decides the direction of the team.

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Mray20 wrote:I don't think Donnie did such a spectaculajob here he was brought in to clear cap space, he handled the Marbury debacle terribly , drafted Jordan Hill instead of Brandon Jennings and I feel we could have gotten Carmelo for less if he would have pulled the trigger earlier on that deal instead of being stubborn just my opinon I wish him well he was a class act.

He admits to not being in the ball with Jennings. But hindsight is easy and Jennings was not an easy read.

He handled Marbury perfectly. Marbury created his own situation. He was told to come in to camp in shape, which he did. He played well in preseason and the notion was his expiring would be desirable. Nobody wanted him. Dolan don't like to pay guys to go away. Marbury in Boston was never the same player. MDA was correct to keep his toxic nature away from the team.

Marbury was a problem long before Donnie and MDA got here. Im not sure anyone could have handled it better. The only alternative was to play him? Start him? Think he would be happy being a role player? Really, what was the alternative.

As far as Melo, What you feel has long been argued in length about the price for Melo. IN fact if you follow the situation you might conclude that Donnie left because Dolan took over the negotiations that lead to the high price paid and thus handicapped the team which has proven to be cause of our lack of depth. Maybe with Donnie in place we pay less or go with Deron Williams who might have been a better fit if Tyson woudl be in the equation.

It the collective opinion that Melo to New York and the price we paid was not tied to Donnie but to Dolan's insistance.

Lots of things have to happen. Donnie was the GM and they don't work for us but the owner. The owner decides the direction of the team.

In regards to Marbs, I don't think Donnie was on board with how D'Antoni handled him. I think his expectation was that D'Antoni would play Marbury and he would eventually move him. I think Walsh saw him as an asset and I don't think D'Antoni wanted to deal with him. Just my opinion but that was how I saw it at the time. I believe Donnie talked about not wanting to buy Marbs out but it was a long time ago so I am not positive.

Who wanted Marbury at that point? When we finally waived him Boston was the only team willing to pick him up and he barely played there. No one picked him up in the offseason and he had to move to China for a team to finally sign him. When Marbury was cut he was 31 years old and had played in the NBA for 13 years. In that time he played for four different teams and alienated every teammate, head coach, fan base, and front office he played for. He was a serial malcontent who didn't improve any team he was on. Oh, and he was one of the highest paid players in the league. Who in the Hell would have traded for Marbury and given up more than bad contracts for him?

CrushAlot wrote:

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Mray20 wrote:I don't think Donnie did such a spectaculajob here he was brought in to clear cap space, he handled the Marbury debacle terribly , drafted Jordan Hill instead of Brandon Jennings and I feel we could have gotten Carmelo for less if he would have pulled the trigger earlier on that deal instead of being stubborn just my opinon I wish him well he was a class act.

He admits to not being in the ball with Jennings. But hindsight is easy and Jennings was not an easy read.

He handled Marbury perfectly. Marbury created his own situation. He was told to come in to camp in shape, which he did. He played well in preseason and the notion was his expiring would be desirable. Nobody wanted him. Dolan don't like to pay guys to go away. Marbury in Boston was never the same player. MDA was correct to keep his toxic nature away from the team.

Marbury was a problem long before Donnie and MDA got here. Im not sure anyone could have handled it better. The only alternative was to play him? Start him? Think he would be happy being a role player? Really, what was the alternative.

As far as Melo, What you feel has long been argued in length about the price for Melo. IN fact if you follow the situation you might conclude that Donnie left because Dolan took over the negotiations that lead to the high price paid and thus handicapped the team which has proven to be cause of our lack of depth. Maybe with Donnie in place we pay less or go with Deron Williams who might have been a better fit if Tyson woudl be in the equation.

It the collective opinion that Melo to New York and the price we paid was not tied to Donnie but to Dolan's insistance.

Lots of things have to happen. Donnie was the GM and they don't work for us but the owner. The owner decides the direction of the team.

In regards to Marbs, I don't think Donnie was on board with how D'Antoni handled him. I think his expectation was that D'Antoni would play Marbury and he would eventually move him. I think Walsh saw him as an asset and I don't think D'Antoni wanted to deal with him. Just my opinion but that was how I saw it at the time. I believe Donnie talked about not wanting to buy Marbs out but it was a long time ago so I am not positive.

Who wanted Marbury at that point? When we finally waived him Boston was the only team willing to pick him up and he barely played there. No one picked him up in the offseason and he had to move to China for a team to finally sign him. When Marbury was cut he was 31 years old and had played in the NBA for 13 years. In that time he played for four different teams and alienated every teammate, head coach, fan base, and front office he played for. He was a serial malcontent who didn't improve any team he was on. Oh, and he was one of the highest paid players in the league. Who in the Hell would have traded for Marbury and given up more than bad contracts for him?

He had a huge expiring contract. The market was different but the Knicks gave up their 7th pick and this years pick 16 to dump Jeffries salary to get McGrady's expiring. Walsh saw him as an asset. His banishment ended that.

Except that Walsh's plan was to dump salary so we could sign Lebron James. Trading Marbury and taking on another team's bad contracts wouldn't have helped up. Also, if his entire value was as an expiring contract nothing Walsh or MDA did, outside of signing him to an extension, would be able to destroy that value.

CrushAlot wrote:

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Mray20 wrote:I don't think Donnie did such a spectaculajob here he was brought in to clear cap space, he handled the Marbury debacle terribly , drafted Jordan Hill instead of Brandon Jennings and I feel we could have gotten Carmelo for less if he would have pulled the trigger earlier on that deal instead of being stubborn just my opinon I wish him well he was a class act.

He admits to not being in the ball with Jennings. But hindsight is easy and Jennings was not an easy read.

He handled Marbury perfectly. Marbury created his own situation. He was told to come in to camp in shape, which he did. He played well in preseason and the notion was his expiring would be desirable. Nobody wanted him. Dolan don't like to pay guys to go away. Marbury in Boston was never the same player. MDA was correct to keep his toxic nature away from the team.

Marbury was a problem long before Donnie and MDA got here. Im not sure anyone could have handled it better. The only alternative was to play him? Start him? Think he would be happy being a role player? Really, what was the alternative.

As far as Melo, What you feel has long been argued in length about the price for Melo. IN fact if you follow the situation you might conclude that Donnie left because Dolan took over the negotiations that lead to the high price paid and thus handicapped the team which has proven to be cause of our lack of depth. Maybe with Donnie in place we pay less or go with Deron Williams who might have been a better fit if Tyson woudl be in the equation.

It the collective opinion that Melo to New York and the price we paid was not tied to Donnie but to Dolan's insistance.

Lots of things have to happen. Donnie was the GM and they don't work for us but the owner. The owner decides the direction of the team.

In regards to Marbs, I don't think Donnie was on board with how D'Antoni handled him. I think his expectation was that D'Antoni would play Marbury and he would eventually move him. I think Walsh saw him as an asset and I don't think D'Antoni wanted to deal with him. Just my opinion but that was how I saw it at the time. I believe Donnie talked about not wanting to buy Marbs out but it was a long time ago so I am not positive.

Who wanted Marbury at that point? When we finally waived him Boston was the only team willing to pick him up and he barely played there. No one picked him up in the offseason and he had to move to China for a team to finally sign him. When Marbury was cut he was 31 years old and had played in the NBA for 13 years. In that time he played for four different teams and alienated every teammate, head coach, fan base, and front office he played for. He was a serial malcontent who didn't improve any team he was on. Oh, and he was one of the highest paid players in the league. Who in the Hell would have traded for Marbury and given up more than bad contracts for him?

He had a huge expiring contract. The market was different but the Knicks gave up their 7th pick and this years pick 16 to dump Jeffries salary to get McGrady's expiring. Walsh saw him as an asset. His banishment ended that.

Except that Walsh's plan was to dump salary so we could sign Lebron James. Trading Marbury and taking on another team's bad contracts wouldn't have helped up. Also, if his entire value was as an expiring contract nothing Walsh or MDA did, outside of signing him to an extension, would be able to destroy that value.

Walsh wants answers from D'Antoni on Marbury
Published Sunday, Nov 2, 2008 at 6:07 pm EST
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NEW YORK — -- Stephon Marbury was inactive again Sunday, and Knicks president Donnie Walsh plans to speak with coach Mike D'Antoni and his point guard this week in hopes of clearing up an uncomfortable roster situation.

Marbury is so far out of the plans that D'Antoni tabbed Jerome James instead of Marbury to replace the injured Eddy Curry on the active list against Milwaukee, even though the 7-foot-1, 285-pound James played in just two games last season and would seem a horrible fit for an uptempo system.

Marbury, on the other hand, might be New York's most talented player. Yet D'Antoni doesn't want to play him sporadically, preferring to give limited backcourt minutes to players who are part of the Knicks' future.

Marbury isn't. He is in the final year of a contract that will pay him more than $21 million this season, and the Knicks surely won't re-sign him. The New York Post reported Sunday that D'Antoni wants Marbury waived.

That salary, plus his history of clashing with coaches, makes Marbury difficult to trade. He's already made it clear he won't take a buyout for less than his full salary, so Walsh acknowledged there "aren't a lot of options out there," for getting rid of Marbury.

So with two days off coming up, Walsh will talk to Marbury and D'Antoni and see how to handle the situation, which has overshadowed everything else this season for the Knicks.

"I haven't talked it out with anybody. I want to talk to Mike, see where this is going to go because I'm unclear, I think like everybody is," Walsh said.

Marbury was active but didn't play Wednesday in the season opener, with some fans chanting "We want Steph!" in the second half of a victory over Miami.

D'Antoni then placed Marbury on the inactive list Friday before a loss at Philadelphia, feeling that he wouldn't have enough minutes for a player of Marbury's stature.

"I just don't think he's one of those guys that you can play with," D'Antoni said. "'Oh get in for a sec, oh get out, oh get in.' I think that's ... I don't want to use the word disrespectful because it's a privilege to play in the league, but at the same time I feel for him."

Marbury hasn't caused any trouble yet, saying he understands D'Antoni's decisions. That could change at any minute, since Marbury feuded with both Larry Brown and Isiah Thomas, his past two coaches.

Walsh said he couldn't envision a scenario where Marbury would be with the Knicks and inactive the rest of the season. He doesn't like buyouts, and said he's nowhere near asking the point guard to accept less money so he could be cut.

So if Marbury refuses to budge on the money, he could be here a while -- maybe even with an occasional appearance on the court.

"He does make a lot of money and you never know what happens," D'Antoni said. "Obviously we went into a different direction but at the same time we owe him money and if an injury happens I wouldn't hesitate putting him back in. I wouldn't even hesitate putting him back in as a starter, but if an injury happened at a certain spot. But until that happens, then I think common sense is just that he's inactive right now."

Curry, who isn't part of D'Antoni's rotation anyway, had his right knee drained before the opener and has been complaining of soreness.

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Nothing in this article contradicts what I said.

alau53 wrote:how come knicks give up picks for expiring contracts but when they have a good expiring contract of their own they cant get crap

Because the plan was to get enough cap space to sign to max free agents. Taking on someone else's bad contracts, which is the only value and expiring contract has, doesn't help.