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BRIGGS
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6/12/2012  10:54 AM
We need last years miracles.
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6/12/2012  12:48 PM
Impovement will come from chemstry alone (offseason, training camp, full season including preseason.)

We can fill in the blanks with a couple of vets and be fine for this coming year.
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6/12/2012  12:53 PM
Negativity at an all time high now. Training camp can't come soon enough. Can someone start the countdown thread. Maybe that will help
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6/12/2012  1:17 PM
I think more then anything, we need to be relatively healthy. I still don't think Amare and melo have played together for mor the 30 games total..

we certainly need to add a back up pg/sf/PF, but i will settle with NOVAK has a back up sf/pf..

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6/12/2012  1:28 PM
Assuming we don't win the arbitration hearing tomorrow and JR opts out, we have to do everything we can to convince Lin to take less than the full mid level and then spread money around between Novak, Odom and PG depth. Maybe Derek Fisher or Flynn and a guy like Anhtony Carter.

I agree that we'll see improvement from a full off season with a healthy roster. But the biggest improvement will have to come from STAT. He really was a huge dissapointment all year. I know he was dealing with personal stuff, but he needs to get his jumper back and to stay healthy.
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6/12/2012  2:43 PM
BRIGGS wrote:We need last years miracles.

I agree and I don't see that happening any time soon.
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6/12/2012  2:46 PM
ATrain wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:We need last years miracles.

I agree and I don't see that happening any time soon.

Did anyone see them on june 12th of last year either?

Bone up and take some Xanex for a few months and lets revisit the roster on Nov. 1st.

I don't see any miricles either but I never see them coming.
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6/12/2012  6:51 PM
Knixkik wrote:Impovement will come from chemstry alone (offseason, training camp, full season including preseason.)

We can fill in the blanks with a couple of vets and be fine for this coming year.


Actually research has found that it's a myth that it takes multiple years for teams to form chemistry. There are plenty of examples (like the Celtics) of teams peaking their first year together.
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6/12/2012  7:44 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Impovement will come from chemstry alone (offseason, training camp, full season including preseason.)

We can fill in the blanks with a couple of vets and be fine for this coming year.


Actually research has found that it's a myth that it takes multiple years for teams to form chemistry. There are plenty of examples (like the Celtics) of teams peaking their first year together.

The celtics were good enough to win no matter what. Injuries prevented them from winning more.
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6/12/2012  7:55 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Impovement will come from chemstry alone (offseason, training camp, full season including preseason.)

We can fill in the blanks with a couple of vets and be fine for this coming year.


Actually research has found that it's a myth that it takes multiple years for teams to form chemistry. There are plenty of examples (like the Celtics) of teams peaking their first year together.

Is there actual research that shows this? I always said that chemistry was just an excuse for our roster under achieving. But I'd be interested to see actual research on the subject.
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6/12/2012  8:03 PM
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Impovement will come from chemstry alone (offseason, training camp, full season including preseason.)

We can fill in the blanks with a couple of vets and be fine for this coming year.


Actually research has found that it's a myth that it takes multiple years for teams to form chemistry. There are plenty of examples (like the Celtics) of teams peaking their first year together.

Is there actual research that shows this? I always said that chemistry was just an excuse for our roster under achieving. But I'd be interested to see actual research on the subject.

I am skeptical of that research. And, Celtics added 2 players - vets who knew exactly what they were doing - to a team that had been together for a couple of years.

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6/12/2012  8:08 PM
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Impovement will come from chemstry alone (offseason, training camp, full season including preseason.)

We can fill in the blanks with a couple of vets and be fine for this coming year.


Actually research has found that it's a myth that it takes multiple years for teams to form chemistry. There are plenty of examples (like the Celtics) of teams peaking their first year together.

Is there actual research that shows this? I always said that chemistry was just an excuse for our roster under achieving. But I'd be interested to see actual research on the subject.


I read that before - I believe in one of Berri's books. Anyone who's played basketball at a high level knows it doesn't take multiple years to learn to play together.
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6/12/2012  8:36 PM
I remain confident.

We had a decent (albeit up and down) season. It would've been a 45 win season. This was done with injuries, coaching turnovers and new players.

i think if we keep the same players (lin, Novak, JR) around the core (Stat, Melo, Tyson) and that add 2 vet mins (Odom, Camby)...keep fields and play him til shump returns...and we should be ok. Coach Woody will have these motivated to play defense too!

Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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6/12/2012  8:44 PM
martin wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Impovement will come from chemstry alone (offseason, training camp, full season including preseason.)

We can fill in the blanks with a couple of vets and be fine for this coming year.


Actually research has found that it's a myth that it takes multiple years for teams to form chemistry. There are plenty of examples (like the Celtics) of teams peaking their first year together.

Is there actual research that shows this? I always said that chemistry was just an excuse for our roster under achieving. But I'd be interested to see actual research on the subject.

I am skeptical of that research. And, Celtics added 2 players - vets who knew exactly what they were doing - to a team that had been together for a couple of years.


Skepticism is a good thing. "Knew exactly what they were doing" is a bit unclear though. Our big 3 achieved at least as much playoff success prior to joining in NY as Boston's did prior to joining in Boston.
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6/12/2012  10:57 PM
Knicks have been really good the past couple of years finding guys. Whether it is drafting 4 year guys from good programs that are barely on the map at draft time or bringing in a guy like Moz, the scouting dept. has overachieved. The Knicks were reported to be scouting a free agent in Europe that went undrafted in 07. Scouting Europe, the d-l, possibly moving the rights to the Euro they got in the Chandler deal for a pick etc.are all things I am sure that they are exploring.
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6/12/2012  11:01 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Knicks have been really good the past couple of years finding guys. Whether it is drafting 4 year guys from good programs that are barely on the map at draft time or bringing in a guy like Moz, the scouting dept. has overachieved. The Knicks were reported to be scouting a free agent in Europe that went undrafted in 07. Scouting Europe, the d-l, possibly moving the rights to the Euro they got in the Chandler deal for a pick etc.are all things I am sure that they are exploring.

Sorry positivity isn't allowed in June especially during the finals when everyone envys the finals teams
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6/12/2012  11:44 PM
martin wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Impovement will come from chemstry alone (offseason, training camp, full season including preseason.)

We can fill in the blanks with a couple of vets and be fine for this coming year.


Actually research has found that it's a myth that it takes multiple years for teams to form chemistry. There are plenty of examples (like the Celtics) of teams peaking their first year together.

Is there actual research that shows this? I always said that chemistry was just an excuse for our roster under achieving. But I'd be interested to see actual research on the subject.

I am skeptical of that research. And, Celtics added 2 players - vets who knew exactly what they were doing - to a team that had been together for a couple of years.

Coaching plays a big part in getting everyone on the same page IMO.
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6/12/2012  11:50 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Knicks have been really good the past couple of years finding guys. Whether it is drafting 4 year guys from good programs that are barely on the map at draft time or bringing in a guy like Moz, the scouting dept. has overachieved. The Knicks were reported to be scouting a free agent in Europe that went undrafted in 07. Scouting Europe, the d-l, possibly moving the rights to the Euro they got in the Chandler deal for a pick etc.are all things I am sure that they are exploring.
Well i guess I cant blame some for being skeptical. I mean from 2008-2010 we cleared salary so we could get bigname talent which we have in the last 2 yaers and have only 1 playoff win to show for it
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6/12/2012  11:58 PM
IrishKnickFan wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Knicks have been really good the past couple of years finding guys. Whether it is drafting 4 year guys from good programs that are barely on the map at draft time or bringing in a guy like Moz, the scouting dept. has overachieved. The Knicks were reported to be scouting a free agent in Europe that went undrafted in 07. Scouting Europe, the d-l, possibly moving the rights to the Euro they got in the Chandler deal for a pick etc.are all things I am sure that they are exploring.
Well i guess I cant blame some for being skeptical. I mean from 2008-2010 we cleared salary so we could get bigname talent which we have in the last 2 yaers and have only 1 playoff win to show for it
The point I was trying to make is that the Knicks have done an amazing job getting guys like Fields, and Jorts with second round picks. Jordan maybe another one of those guys. Finding Moz in Europe and getting him was huge. The Knicks have had a Spurs like approach with their picks. They have gotten a lot of talent in positions where no one would have questioned them if the guys they took never played in the NBA.
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6/13/2012  7:50 AM
IrishKnickFan wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:Knicks have been really good the past couple of years finding guys. Whether it is drafting 4 year guys from good programs that are barely on the map at draft time or bringing in a guy like Moz, the scouting dept. has overachieved. The Knicks were reported to be scouting a free agent in Europe that went undrafted in 07. Scouting Europe, the d-l, possibly moving the rights to the Euro they got in the Chandler deal for a pick etc.are all things I am sure that they are exploring.
Well i guess I cant blame some for being skeptical. I mean from 2008-2010 we cleared salary so we could get bigname talent which we have in the last 2 yaers and have only 1 playoff win to show for it

We've gotten screwed the last 2 years with injuries right before and during the playoffs. We stay healthy we will make noise. I'm hoping next season is the year we can go into the playoffs at full strength.

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