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6/12/2012  9:23 AM

1. The proper picture for Douglas. Sorry brother.

2. Why did they do that to STAT? I mean, sure, his right elbow jumper declined, but why the cheesy struggling artist pic when everyone else is in a uni?
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6/12/2012  9:24 AM
That's why Id be surprised if they get a draft pick for Douglas in return, let alone a bag of chips.
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6/12/2012  2:00 PM
To be fair to Douglass he was recovering from shoulder surgery, and Amare with his back problems. I hope everyone show Shumpert some leniency if he isn't fully recovered from knee surgery.
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6/12/2012  2:42 PM
lol @ Jason Terry being up there. He always makes em when it counts.
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6/12/2012  3:22 PM
ATrain wrote:lol @ Jason Terry being up there. He always makes em when it counts.

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6/12/2012  6:04 PM
It's hard to put these percentages into perspective without seeing how these guys shot from those spots in prior years. I have no idea if it was just fluke year of if these guys are just bad from those positions every year. I'm guessing that it STATS case, he usually always hits a lower position from that spot. Scouts probably tell their players to play up on STAT since he doesn't go left that well.
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6/12/2012  6:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/12/2012  6:55 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:It's hard to put these percentages into perspective without seeing how these guys shot from those spots in prior years. I have no idea if it was just fluke year of if these guys are just bad from those positions every year. I'm guessing that it STATS case, he usually always hits a lower position from that spot. Scouts probably tell their players to play up on STAT since he doesn't go left that well.

At hoopdata.com you can see how players shoot from different distances, although it's not quite broken down like the chart in this thread. There are really only two good shots a player can take: within three feet of the basket or a wide open three-pointer. Everything else is a low percentage shot that you should take only when you have to.
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Bonn1997 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:It's hard to put these percentages into perspective without seeing how these guys shot from those spots in prior years. I have no idea if it was just fluke year of if these guys are just bad from those positions every year. I'm guessing that it STATS case, he usually always hits a lower position from that spot. Scouts probably tell their players to play up on STAT since he doesn't go left that well.

At hoopdata.com you can see how players shoot from different distances, although it's not quite broken down like the chart in this thread. There are really only two good shots a player can take: within three feet of the basket or a wide open three-pointer. Everything else is a low percentage shot that you should take only when you have to.

I just re-read the Court Vision essay on Carmelo's shot selection. Melo's tendency is to shoot from the right side of the floor, near the same area where Douglas was weak from this year. That would help to explain one of the reasons Douglas was disaster this year. I don't know if this was fluke, or if Douglas is always bad from the spot. It might be a case of the coaching staff doing a better job of making sure Douglas is station in spots on the floor where he is effective.
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6/12/2012  8:00 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:It's hard to put these percentages into perspective without seeing how these guys shot from those spots in prior years. I have no idea if it was just fluke year of if these guys are just bad from those positions every year. I'm guessing that it STATS case, he usually always hits a lower position from that spot. Scouts probably tell their players to play up on STAT since he doesn't go left that well.

At hoopdata.com you can see how players shoot from different distances, although it's not quite broken down like the chart in this thread. There are really only two good shots a player can take: within three feet of the basket or a wide open three-pointer. Everything else is a low percentage shot that you should take only when you have to.

But what that data doesn't tell you is that guys who hit those midrange shots are crucial, because although it's lower percentage, a midrange threat opens up high percentage looks by pulling defenders towards the ball and away from their spot. We saw this last year when STAT was a midrange threat, and it opened up oceans in the defenses.

But your data is correct on an individual player basis.
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6/12/2012  8:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/12/2012  8:15 PM
JohnStarksFan wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:It's hard to put these percentages into perspective without seeing how these guys shot from those spots in prior years. I have no idea if it was just fluke year of if these guys are just bad from those positions every year. I'm guessing that it STATS case, he usually always hits a lower position from that spot. Scouts probably tell their players to play up on STAT since he doesn't go left that well.

At hoopdata.com you can see how players shoot from different distances, although it's not quite broken down like the chart in this thread. There are really only two good shots a player can take: within three feet of the basket or a wide open three-pointer. Everything else is a low percentage shot that you should take only when you have to.

But what that data doesn't tell you is that guys who hit those midrange shots are crucial, because although it's lower percentage, a midrange threat opens up high percentage looks by pulling defenders towards the ball and away from their spot.


That's theory without evidence. At best, I'd agree that it's helpful to have guys who can hit *open* mid-range shots at a high percentage.
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6/12/2012  8:23 PM
My eyes must be playing tricks on me....I don't see Melo on the chart.
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6/12/2012  8:34 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:It's hard to put these percentages into perspective without seeing how these guys shot from those spots in prior years. I have no idea if it was just fluke year of if these guys are just bad from those positions every year. I'm guessing that it STATS case, he usually always hits a lower position from that spot. Scouts probably tell their players to play up on STAT since he doesn't go left that well.

At hoopdata.com you can see how players shoot from different distances, although it's not quite broken down like the chart in this thread. There are really only two good shots a player can take: within three feet of the basket or a wide open three-pointer. Everything else is a low percentage shot that you should take only when you have to.

But what that data doesn't tell you is that guys who hit those midrange shots are crucial, because although it's lower percentage, a midrange threat opens up high percentage looks by pulling defenders towards the ball and away from their spot.


That's theory without evidence. At best, I'd agree that it's helpful to have guys who can hit *open* mid-range shots at a high percentage.

Teams with no mid-range game get killed in the paint all the time. You're right about it being theory, but that's because it's not a measurable stat, well not one that I'm nerd enough to determine. But you have to admit that mid-range game, especially from the 4 and 5, changes the defense and opens up possibilities.
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6/12/2012  8:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/12/2012  8:53 PM
JohnStarksFan wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:It's hard to put these percentages into perspective without seeing how these guys shot from those spots in prior years. I have no idea if it was just fluke year of if these guys are just bad from those positions every year. I'm guessing that it STATS case, he usually always hits a lower position from that spot. Scouts probably tell their players to play up on STAT since he doesn't go left that well.

At hoopdata.com you can see how players shoot from different distances, although it's not quite broken down like the chart in this thread. There are really only two good shots a player can take: within three feet of the basket or a wide open three-pointer. Everything else is a low percentage shot that you should take only when you have to.

But what that data doesn't tell you is that guys who hit those midrange shots are crucial, because although it's lower percentage, a midrange threat opens up high percentage looks by pulling defenders towards the ball and away from their spot.


That's theory without evidence. At best, I'd agree that it's helpful to have guys who can hit *open* mid-range shots at a high percentage.

Teams with no mid-range game get killed in the paint all the time. You're right about it being theory, but that's because it's not a measurable stat, well not one that I'm nerd enough to determine. But you have to admit that mid-range game, especially from the 4 and 5, changes the defense and opens up possibilities.


I suspect that if you can hit at least 60% of your open 2 point jump shots, it's a good shot, as teams generally average a little over 1 point per shot. If you're significantly below that figure, teams should not be reluctant to leave you open. It would be great to see data on open vs. contested mid-range shots for players.

Note: changed the percentage to 60 on edit.
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