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The Road to a Championship. If the Knicks don't have this, They will never make it to the 2nd round.
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Papabear
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6/10/2012  10:20 PM
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After reviewing all of the games and teams headed toward a championship ring is this.

1. You will never win a ring if you have a starting 5 and only 2 players you can depend on to nail a shot.
Take a look at the Heat, every starter can nail down a 3 pointer or just shoot the ball. OKC is close but they only have 3 players in the starting line-up that you can really depend on the nail a shot.
I've watched every team in the play-offs and all the teams encluding Chicago didn't have many players on thier team you could depend on to nail down a shot. Defense they have but you need someone to put points on the board.

We can say what we want to say about LeBron and Wade and Bosh but when they get the ball you can always depend on them making a shot. Only Durant is as good but he is only one player. The rest like Westbrooks is a shot in the dark. Who would you rather have on your team? Wade or Westbrooks?It don't look good for OKC because Miami is the team with the weapons. James, Wade and Bosh. and to beat this team you would have to put an allstar team on the floor to beat them. the Maveriks beat them last year because they had the right team at the right time with 4 of the 5 starters you could depend on to knock down shots along with a big defensive center.

I am a Knicks fan and we can't put a winning team on the floor next season and or the following season.

Until we get a top draft player who can play like Durant, James, or Wade. We ain't going no where in the play-offs. I will continue to enjoy the Knicks wins but deep down inside I know that we ain't going deep in the play-offs. Lin will have a lot to prove this coming season because I do not beleive he is our point guard for the future. I want to believe but 25 games just ain't enough it just media hype. Lin please prove me wrong, Amare please prove me wrong and Melo learn to be a leader and make the rest around you better.

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6/10/2012  10:40 PM
OKC plays team ball. Westbrook can get selfish at times but the rest of the team shares the rock. I'm surprised that they get this label as being a selfish team. Durant is probably the most deferential superstar in the NBA.

BTW Papabear, I hope you will share some of your experiences as a musician on the road. I know I'm not alone in looking forward to it.

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6/10/2012  10:56 PM
We do have a guy name Carmelo Anthony. Any u naming Wade, u really think he is better then Melo? I hope not.
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6/11/2012  12:49 AM
The Knicks have one of the most clutch big shot makers in the league in Melo! Some may not like his overall game but you can't deny that he's a player that hits lots of big shots to win games. The trick is to have a TEAM that is capable of winning games and being in position to even take advantage of having a "closer".

The Knicks had a depleted roster due to adding Melo and Tyson, so it's not that surprising that they look a lot less impressive when compared to a team like SA or OKC, but they are more like the Heat. The only problem the Knicks had was a lack of good match between the Coach and the teams best player. You can't have that kind of incompatibility at the top like that. So now with a fresh start with a coach that fits more with Melo's style, things could be better from the start. The only issue is how the rest of the team is built to fit around him. We all know the team lacked enough perimeter shooting and good depth at PG is also essential. Most of all the team needs time together healthy.

One of my thoughts on what Title teams need is having a real 6th man off the bench. I think it's a very important thing to have a guy that is starter material coming off the bench. I think that was the idea behind having JR. His lack of consistency and tendency to go "rogue" didn't help, but if he can get his game under control he could fill that role. I'd love to have a guy like Lamar Odom off the bench.

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6/11/2012  12:57 AM
GustavBahler wrote:OKC plays team ball. Westbrook can get selfish at times but the rest of the team shares the rock. I'm surprised that they get this label as being a selfish team. Durant is probably the most deferential superstar in the NBA.

BTW Papabear, I hope you will share some of your experiences as a musician on the road. I know I'm not alone in looking forward to it.

OKC or Miami wins this yr. a title
they will be hard pressed to repeat with FAs going and coming

Also you do not usually win long run they way OKC wins with next to no paint game, or inside presence whom can also shoot FT if
needed in critical games.

As far as HEAT you got the 2 best of the top 10 players in NBA, Miami has no bench and they have no real BIGs
thus you can't win like that overall in a run of yrs.

For best players ? and Knicks dont hold your breath for the draft PapaBear it will be quite a while for NY to
get as bad to get top 3 pick, I dont think those days are completely gone but I do not feel its vital to build winner
besides We got Melo and to you get a better option , Melo is an option and top 15 or 25 players in league MELO is among them

You get a star or 2, regardless of draft, you surround them with the right mix of players, you get a coach whom can put it
together and that is what it takes.

Knicks are not light yrs away. Despite the OKC and HEAT success it aint to me like these teams gonna whip rest of nba for yrs
ahead. Each and every team has great chance to win from the SPURs and LA Lakers, BULLs dynasty runs ended in early 2000.

ITs all about making a run. Its like that in NFL, its like that in MLB. Now you're seeing same crap in NHL
the team whom plays right at end is the champ. There is no formula. Some luck of course and healthy players.

Knicks if they solve their PG woes in 1-2 yrs, get shooters and some PF help on and off bench (starter or role)
Knicks will be fine.

You'll see

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6/11/2012  5:22 AM
chewy wrote:We do have a guy name Carmelo Anthony. Any u naming Wade, u really think he is better then Melo? I hope not.

Thank you I've been arguing about this with a friend of mine, Wade might be a better defender but Melo is better hands down. Wade seems to be breaking down he can have big nights on big quarters but not every night anymore.

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6/11/2012  7:13 AM
Knicks have to upgrade the talent and get not only shooters but more skill or muscle. Jared, josh, jerome should be enough given their experience.....the point guard spot needs a upgrade and so does the shooting guard spot and small fwd. Knicks aren't far away but they still need help in a major way.
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6/11/2012  7:32 AM
chewy wrote:We do have a guy name Carmelo Anthony. Any u naming Wade, u really think he is better then Melo? I hope not.

Wow. Just wow.
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6/11/2012  8:05 AM
Mray20 wrote:
chewy wrote:We do have a guy name Carmelo Anthony. Any u naming Wade, u really think he is better then Melo? I hope not.

Thank you I've been arguing about this with a friend of mine, Wade might be a better defender but Melo is better hands down. Wade seems to be breaking down he can have big nights on big quarters but not every night anymore.

If Melo scored 6 points in a playoff game right now, this board would be circulating petitions to bring back drawing and quartering, with options to hold a post-execution BBQ by burning his house down. With the requisite peeing on the ashes.

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6/11/2012  8:39 AM
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

After reviewing all of the games and teams headed toward a championship ring is this.

1. You will never win a ring if you have a starting 5 and only 2 players you can depend on to nail a shot.
Take a look at the Heat, every starter can nail down a 3 pointer or just shoot the ball. OKC is close but they only have 3 players in the starting line-up that you can really depend on the nail a shot.
I've watched every team in the play-offs and all the teams encluding Chicago didn't have many players on thier team you could depend on to nail down a shot. Defense they have but you need someone to put points on the board.

We can say what we want to say about LeBron and Wade and Bosh but when they get the ball you can always depend on them making a shot. Only Durant is as good but he is only one player. The rest like Westbrooks is a shot in the dark. Who would you rather have on your team? Wade or Westbrooks?It don't look good for OKC because Miami is the team with the weapons. James, Wade and Bosh. and to beat this team you would have to put an allstar team on the floor to beat them. the Maveriks beat them last year because they had the right team at the right time with 4 of the 5 starters you could depend on to knock down shots along with a big defensive center.

I am a Knicks fan and we can't put a winning team on the floor next season and or the following season.

Until we get a top draft player who can play like Durant, James, or Wade. We ain't going no where in the play-offs. I will continue to enjoy the Knicks wins but deep down inside I know that we ain't going deep in the play-offs. Lin will have a lot to prove this coming season because I do not beleive he is our point guard for the future. I want to believe but 25 games just ain't enough it just media hype. Lin please prove me wrong, Amare please prove me wrong and Melo learn to be a leader and make the rest around you better.

I believe that you have undersold the OKC roster. Westbrook is playing as well if not better than Wade in the playoffs. Durant is deadly from outside and can also create. You did not even mention Harden who would start on most teams. He is at 45% from three and averaging above 17 in the playoffs. This does not even include the depth of OKC......Ibaka, sephalosha and Perkins....all very good to great defenders.

Miami has the best player on the floor. But OKC is eve bit as good.....only young.

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6/11/2012  9:13 AM
jrodmc wrote:
Mray20 wrote:
chewy wrote:We do have a guy name Carmelo Anthony. Any u naming Wade, u really think he is better then Melo? I hope not.

Thank you I've been arguing about this with a friend of mine, Wade might be a better defender but Melo is better hands down. Wade seems to be breaking down he can have big nights on big quarters but not every night anymore.

If Melo scored 6 points in a playoff game right now, this board would be circulating petitions to bring back drawing and quartering, with options to hold a post-execution BBQ by burning his house down. With the requisite peeing on the ashes.

nobody would care how much he scored if the Knicks could win a playoff game, or god forbid advance. As I have yet to see Melo do this Im not sure its possible?
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6/11/2012  9:30 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/11/2012  9:31 AM
Team ball vs. Melo ball. This topic is like a cat with nine lives.

Personally, I don't have a problem with Melo getting the ball and shooting all the time. I know who to blame everytime.

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6/11/2012  10:57 AM
I would take Melo over broken down wade anyday. Its not even a contest. If we had Wade at 30+ attacking small guard as our franchise player I'd just be counting down til microfracture or acl knee surgery and back surgery. Would not be something to look forward to as a Knicks fan. I'd rather have an older Paul Pierce at that point
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6/11/2012  11:39 AM
gunsnewing wrote:I would take Melo over broken down wade anyday. Its not even a contest. If we had Wade at 30+ attacking small guard as our franchise player I'd just be counting down til microfracture or acl knee surgery and back surgery. Would not be something to look forward to as a Knicks fan. I'd rather have an older Paul Pierce at that point

Melo has multiple off-season surgeries, then multiple injuries during the season, and puts up career lows in most categories. Yet Wade is the one people say is breaking down.
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6/11/2012  11:54 AM
Like I said wade is an attacking undersized SG who relied on his athleticism. Like Michael Finley, Stackhouse, vince carter, tracy mcgrady and even penny. How did all those guys fair after 30? Paul Pierce & Melo do not rely on getting past defenders to get to the rim. Lebron will have the ability to do it way past his prime cos of the body
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6/11/2012  12:10 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Like I said wade is an attacking undersized SG who relied on his athleticism. Like Michael Finley, Stackhouse, vince carter, tracy mcgrady and even penny. How did all those guys fair after 30? Paul Pierce & Melo do not rely on getting past defenders to get to the rim. Lebron will have the ability to do it way past his prime cos of the body

You do realize Wade is still very athletic and just cuz he had some bad shooting games that's not the only part of his game? Wade has a ring and has stepped up in the playoffs so I don't see a reason to kick dirt on him as a player. I would hope we can see Melo help the Knicks achieve as much. Wade doesn't have a bad history dogging him.

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6/11/2012  12:15 PM
We will see about wade next year. I doubt he ever plays a full season again with the way he plays
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6/11/2012  12:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/11/2012  12:26 PM
Oh and by the way its nice that wade had shaq & lebron and bosh while melo had 45yr old Allen Iverson. Where exactly were the Heat before getting Lebron & Bosh. Oh right the lottery while Melo was playing in the playoffs. Amazing the bias towards our own player sometimes. Welcome to New York
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6/11/2012  12:20 PM
Its funny how Melo is alwaya the problem to some while Amare gets cart blanche treatment by fans and media making just as much as melo doing a lot less to impact wins and defense and is severely broken down
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6/11/2012  12:25 PM
And like someone else mentioned imagine Melo put up 6pts in a playoff game and then went off on his coach. Imagine what you people would be saying then. Considering Melo os the only nba player to every disagree with a coaches philosophy
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