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6/8/2012  11:08 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/8/2012  11:11 AM
New Orleans Hornets Open For (Trade) Business? According to NBA.com writer Shaun Powell, the New Orleans Hornets will entertain trade offers for their No. 10 overall pick in this year’s draft if the buying team is willing to take on the contracts of either Trevor Ariza or Emeka Okafor in return.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-am-hornets-looking-to-deal-tenth-pick-okafor

This may not be thread worthy, but I do think the Knicks should make an attempt at this, if it can be done.

Here is trade that I made that apparently works under the trade machine.....

Keep in mind it's a mammoth

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6w6yzye


Amare to the Pistons for Ben Gordon

Shumpert to the Hornets for Okafor and 10th pick (Terrence Ross, Perry Jones, Kendall Marshall)

Charlie V to the Hornets, Trevor Ariza to the Pacers

Lance Stevenson to the Hornets

The positives for each team.....

Pistons get a player to help boost sales, and should be able to produce being the number one option again in return for giving up to relatively overpaid players for the production they give.

Hornets save a cool 9 mil by dumping Okafor and Ariza, while picking up a player who doesn't have a longer deal, and one who's option is cheap.

Pacers pick up a decent versatile wing defender who can hit the three.

Thoughts?
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6/8/2012  1:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/8/2012  1:20 PM
Trade Shumpert already? How does this benefit the Knicks? We get to watch yet another of our draft picks blossom elsewhere. Based on this logic, we will end up trading whomever we select with the 10th pick in about 1.9 years. That leaves us with Amare+Shump for Ben Gordon.

No thanks.
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6/8/2012  1:20 PM
Too much work and there's not enough of an incentive for each team involved. Detroit has some young pieces and I don't think there are at a point where they need to or should start gambling on Amar'e's massive, uninsured contract. Plus, both Indiana and New Orlean are probably going to be in a bidding war for Eric Gordon this year. I don't think Indiana is got be willing to the Hornets any favors in the near future.
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6/8/2012  2:53 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:Too much work and there's not enough of an incentive for each team involved. Detroit has some young pieces and I don't think there are at a point where they need to or should start gambling on Amar'e's massive, uninsured contract. Plus, both Indiana and New Orlean are probably going to be in a bidding war for Eric Gordon this year. I don't think Indiana is got be willing to the Hornets any favors in the near future.

Thanks for the response.

The incentive for the Pistons is having a marketable team that can win more games, and they are not in a full rebuild mold, more that their acquisitions bombed out for them, especially the guys they'd be moving in this type of deal.

Plus, even though the Pistons have been pretty bad the last couple, their injuries have hampered them alot more.

The Pacers according to various reports state they aren't going after Gordon who btw is widely considered "injury prone and buyer beware", plus Paul George is their guy in that position.
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6/8/2012  3:12 PM
Moonangie wrote:Trade Shumpert already? How does this benefit the Knicks? We get to watch yet another of our draft picks blossom elsewhere. Based on this logic, we will end up trading whomever we select with the 10th pick in about 1.9 years. That leaves us with Amare+Shump for Ben Gordon.

No thanks.


Thanks for you response as well.

The object in this proposal is moving a seemingly unmovable deal in Amare, while acquiring Okafor, which even though he is injury prone, he won't be required to play as much, and his deal is a year shorter.

Ben Gordon would be the instant 6th man who can handle the ball that this team sorely needs.

Amare's is the main piece that will hamper the club for the next three years, unless the perception is all he needs is a training camp and a full season to regain his form, and even then that may not be good enough.

I'm not necessarily giving up on Shump, I'm improving the club, and my attachments to the Knicks stems only from that...loyal to the team first, as I only root for the front, not the back of the jersey.

There is no way to know if Shumpert can regain his form from his injuries, and he'd likely be out the first couple of months of the season, so he'd behind schedule.

Teams move their good young players quite a bit, like the Spurs moved George Hill for the rookie Kawhi Leonard, and it worked out fine.

The team needs a backcourt in the worst way, and that's even with Lin coming back, and in that 10th position Ross is a legit shooting guard, and Marshall looks like a solid pg, who can definitely be a backup to Lin.

My true purpose of a deal like this is with the primary hope that the team doesn't stand pat and thinks all they need is a full season and training camp.

They need depth as well and being capped out, hoping for talent to sign for the vets min will not afford that.
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6/8/2012  5:02 PM
Iman Shumpet is a defensive specialist. I will go as far as saying UNTOUCHABLE.
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6/8/2012  5:07 PM
I do not think you improve the club with that trade. Need to ship Okafor somewhere maybe ATL for Marvin Williams to take Landry's place in the rotation. It would also free up room to get a 4 like Illyasova and maybe Odom while also retaining Novak and/or Smith.
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6/8/2012  5:24 PM
Three team trades are difficult. I can't imagine a 4 team trade being put together that would work. I also would like to keep Shump
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6/9/2012  4:54 AM
I would trade Amare for Ariza and Ok4, if we can get the 10th pick with that, it is a no brainer.
It gives us 2 players with shorter contracts and fills our needs at the defensive end.
NO could use a scorer like Amare and depending on what they do with Chris Kaman, Eric Gordon, and to a lesser extent, Carl Laundry to convince them to stay.
They aren't nearly as bad as their record suggest, with many injuries throughout the year, and they get to 1st round picks to continue to build on their team.

PG *Kendall Marshall*
Eric Gordon
Aminu
Amare
Kaman

Vasqueuz
Jack
Carl Laundry
Jason Smith
Anthony Davis

MLE
LLE
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6/9/2012  9:24 AM
Stop trying to trade stat...hes not going anywhere
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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6/9/2012  10:14 AM
RonRon wrote:I would trade Amare for Ariza and Ok4, if we can get the 10th pick with that, it is a no brainer.
It gives us 2 players with shorter contracts and fills our needs at the defensive end.
NO could use a scorer like Amare and depending on what they do with Chris Kaman, Eric Gordon, and to a lesser extent, Carl Laundry to convince them to stay.
They aren't nearly as bad as their record suggest, with many injuries throughout the year, and they get to 1st round picks to continue to build on their team.

PG *Kendall Marshall*
Eric Gordon
Aminu
Amare
Kaman

Vasqueuz
Jack
Carl Laundry
Jason Smith
Anthony Davis

MLE
LLE

This

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6/9/2012  1:59 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/9/2012  1:59 PM
EnySpree wrote:
RonRon wrote:I would trade Amare for Ariza and Ok4, if we can get the 10th pick with that, it is a no brainer.
It gives us 2 players with shorter contracts and fills our needs at the defensive end.
NO could use a scorer like Amare and depending on what they do with Chris Kaman, Eric Gordon, and to a lesser extent, Carl Laundry to convince them to stay.
They aren't nearly as bad as their record suggest, with many injuries throughout the year, and they get to 1st round picks to continue to build on their team.

PG *Kendall Marshall*
Eric Gordon
Aminu
Amare
Kaman

Vasqueuz
Jack
Carl Laundry
Jason Smith
Anthony Davis

MLE
LLE

This

So the deal breaker would be including Shumpert?
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6/9/2012  3:29 PM
knickscity wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Too much work and there's not enough of an incentive for each team involved. Detroit has some young pieces and I don't think there are at a point where they need to or should start gambling on Amar'e's massive, uninsured contract. Plus, both Indiana and New Orlean are probably going to be in a bidding war for Eric Gordon this year. I don't think Indiana is got be willing to the Hornets any favors in the near future.

Thanks for the response.

The incentive for the Pistons is having a marketable team that can win more games, and they are not in a full rebuild mold, more that their acquisitions bombed out for them, especially the guys they'd be moving in this type of deal.

Plus, even though the Pistons have been pretty bad the last couple, their injuries have hampered them alot more.

The Pacers according to various reports state they aren't going after Gordon who btw is widely considered "injury prone and buyer beware", plus Paul George is their guy in that position.


Still isn't worth the gamble for the Pistons. STAT has proven to be injury prone and in decline. That's a heck of a gamble to take on for three more years. At best they're be able to amnesty him and take the money off the cap. But it's not like the Pistons are Knicks. That's a hell of a lot of money to shell out just to have a guy sit or play for another team. And, it's not a sure thing that they will win more games if they take on Amar'e. If I'm Joe Dumars, I'd have to politely decline.
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6/9/2012  3:34 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
knickscity wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Too much work and there's not enough of an incentive for each team involved. Detroit has some young pieces and I don't think there are at a point where they need to or should start gambling on Amar'e's massive, uninsured contract. Plus, both Indiana and New Orlean are probably going to be in a bidding war for Eric Gordon this year. I don't think Indiana is got be willing to the Hornets any favors in the near future.

Thanks for the response.

The incentive for the Pistons is having a marketable team that can win more games, and they are not in a full rebuild mold, more that their acquisitions bombed out for them, especially the guys they'd be moving in this type of deal.

Plus, even though the Pistons have been pretty bad the last couple, their injuries have hampered them alot more.

The Pacers according to various reports state they aren't going after Gordon who btw is widely considered "injury prone and buyer beware", plus Paul George is their guy in that position.


Still isn't worth the gamble for the Pistons. STAT has proven to be injury prone and in decline. That's a heck of a gamble to take on for three more years. At best they're be able to amnesty him and take the money off the cap. But it's not like the Pistons are Knicks. That's a hell of a lot of money to shell out just to have a guy sit or play for another team. And, it's not a sure thing that they will win more games if they take on Amar'e. If I'm Joe Dumars, I'd have to politely decline.

I think Joe would be thrilled to get rid of two guys who barely play and aren't productive at all.
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6/9/2012  3:44 PM
Piston do have quite a lot of bad contracts with

Ben Gordon
Charlie Villanueva
Prince *surprised they resigned him with a couple of young players that play the same position, given that they are rebuilding*

with

Rodney Stuckey
Ben Gordon
Brandon Knight

all as "combo guards" undersized at the SG, but seems to lack the skills to be a good at facilitating, and are more of scorers.
Will Bynum *probably closest to pure PG*
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6/9/2012  4:05 PM
EnySpree wrote:
RonRon wrote:I would trade Amare for Ariza and Ok4, if we can get the 10th pick with that, it is a no brainer.
It gives us 2 players with shorter contracts and fills our needs at the defensive end.
NO could use a scorer like Amare and depending on what they do with Chris Kaman, Eric Gordon, and to a lesser extent, Carl Laundry to convince them to stay.
They aren't nearly as bad as their record suggest, with many injuries throughout the year, and they get to 1st round picks to continue to build on their team.

PG *Kendall Marshall*
Eric Gordon
Aminu
Amare
Kaman

Vasqueuz
Jack
Carl Laundry
Jason Smith
Anthony Davis

MLE
LLE

This

is this something you would agree on Envy? or??? I dont get the response...
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6/9/2012  4:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/9/2012  4:14 PM
knickscity wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
RonRon wrote:I would trade Amare for Ariza and Ok4, if we can get the 10th pick with that, it is a no brainer.
It gives us 2 players with shorter contracts and fills our needs at the defensive end.
NO could use a scorer like Amare and depending on what they do with Chris Kaman, Eric Gordon, and to a lesser extent, Carl Laundry to convince them to stay.
They aren't nearly as bad as their record suggest, with many injuries throughout the year, and they get to 1st round picks to continue to build on their team.

PG *Kendall Marshall*
Eric Gordon
Aminu
Amare
Kaman

Vasqueuz
Jack
Carl Laundry
Jason Smith
Anthony Davis

MLE
LLE

This

So the deal breaker would be including Shumpert?

I really like Iman, he was my 2nd choice after Vuvevic, not knowing about the amnesty last year....
if he never got injured that bad, he is considered untradeable to me because of his potential and his value would be much lower than his ceiling.

I don't know how he will recover or how much it will affect his game and physical abilities
but unless we get back a player like Harden, *just say Harden/Perkins for Tyson Chandler/Iman*
...I just can't let him go.

With OKC advancing to the Finals, and Ibaka/Harden looking for a big pay day, OKC will have to decide if they will pay

Durant
Westbrook

Harden
Ibaka

with 2 max salaries and Harden could easily get a max salary offer from another team, forcing OKC to match or not.
Ibaka, will be looking for a raise within a starting salary of 10-12m a year as well.


Perkins, not to mention Perkins makes 8m+

But this trade is less likely since they advanced, not entirely impossible though.
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6/9/2012  4:19 PM
RonRon wrote:
knickscity wrote:
EnySpree wrote:
RonRon wrote:I would trade Amare for Ariza and Ok4, if we can get the 10th pick with that, it is a no brainer.
It gives us 2 players with shorter contracts and fills our needs at the defensive end.
NO could use a scorer like Amare and depending on what they do with Chris Kaman, Eric Gordon, and to a lesser extent, Carl Laundry to convince them to stay.
They aren't nearly as bad as their record suggest, with many injuries throughout the year, and they get to 1st round picks to continue to build on their team.

PG *Kendall Marshall*
Eric Gordon
Aminu
Amare
Kaman

Vasqueuz
Jack
Carl Laundry
Jason Smith
Anthony Davis

MLE
LLE

This

So the deal breaker would be including Shumpert?

I really like Iman, he was my 2nd choice after Vuvevic, not knowing about the amnesty last year....
if he never got injured that bad, he is considered untradeable to me because of his potential and his value would be much lower than his ceiling.

I don't know how he will recover or how much it will affect his game and physical abilities
but unless we get back a player like Harden, *just say Harden/Perkins for Tyson Chandler/Iman*
...I just can't let him go.


I understand and share the same sentiment, but going forward the team will really have to assess is this core good enough to win it all.

And while Shumpert showed he can be that elite defender that any champion needs, but with the injury he sustained, I'm personally concerned if he truly can regain his form.

I'm all for home grown talent, but I'm fully on board for a Knicks championship, and could really care less as to whose name is on the back of those jersey's that provide it.

And I have zero faith with Amare, but I wouldn't be willing to just dump him for nothing back.

A deal like this, I would have to consider.

I guess by my op, you can tell I'm a Terrence Ross fan, and yes I do think he is better than Shumpert right now.
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6/9/2012  4:40 PM
I wouldn't trade Iman for the sake of trading him or to get rid of Amare's contract.
However, if you add a young stud, that we feel can coexist with Lin, fill our needs, and can mesh with our team/players, it will be a tough decision.
I am not big on Terrence Ross, but I could be wrong.
Not many players have the mental toughness, with work ethic, pride, intensity, and athleticism *which we won't know how the injury will affect his game* that Iman carries.
It is the same mental/ethic attributes of a NBA Star and/or Lockdown defender that carries them in to their development for the years to come.

I was never big on Eric Gordon either, that proved me wrong....
Thing about Iman is, he truly resembles what a old school Knickbocker is about, with defense, confidence, pride, and he also has that killer instinct which buried us with MJ/Miller.
Yes, its possible that he might not be able to compete at his previous ceiling, but we won't know till another 2 years or so.
That's my opinion of it, I would rather hold on to him, then trade him for a mid 1st rounder, even though his injury is a big concern.
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