Sad that a 36 year old KG grabs more boards and plays better defense than Amare while scoring just as many points.

martin wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:Stats don't tell the whole story. Amare has not finished his story yet.

Amare better get, well, a better story. He's half the player KG is, and I hate KG.

Well, hmm, at least Amare does't poke guys in funny places. If only SOMEONE could educate Amare about defense, and how to find that nearly lost jumper.

Again, Amare isn't as bad as he is, he just doesn't fit with the players we have.
He has made sacrifices as he always tried to move the ball since the before Melo got here, went from alpha dog to 2nd leader, to being a role player on most nights.
Some of it is his age, some of it is that doesn't play center, PF's are much more agile, and on top of it Chandler cannot space the floor.

It doesn't help that Melo does not move the ball consistently, it doesn't help that Fields can't find a shot, that neither of our PF/C has a post game, that no one could hold their own on D except for Iman, that we had no PENETRATION outside of Lin,.......

I said it all along, when we were losing these games, we needed someone desperately that could penetrate with a good handle, with speed and quickness, because that was the main reason why our offense stunk. And we did try to to move the ball, but no one could penetrate of the handle, with Melo pulling up for fade aways, and Amare getting blocked or TOs.

This is basketball 101, thats why I was upset at Dantoni for not playing Lin, because he gave EVERYONE more than enough chances to try. While Lin did show the ability during the
"garbage" time and then gets sent to D League. Gets a triple double, gets called back, and stays on our bench, as he watches by for like 5-6 games as we get blown out every game.
Well, we need multiple players that have the ability to handle the bball and penetrate. This is why I want Harden so bad and I want DJO from the draft.
We really tried to move the bball many times in the season this year, but when we don't have players that can use the "triple threat, pass, shoot, and penetrate" it becomes useless.
To create high % shots, it comes of the combination of 3 things....

1) Post presence
2) Penetration *usually with speed,quickness*, especially with the PnR,
3) Multiple players with range on the court, 4 shooters generally that can hit the 3 are used much more now

With the abilities of the above, that could break down a team's defense, then these are the things that are secondaries

1) good spacing
2) picks, movement off the ball, cutting

we only have 1 player that can penetrate (Lin), and we don't have anyone that can post up besides Melo. He won't have that ability to do so, unless we have the

1) players that can spread the floor for him
2) won't happen with Amare and Tyson all together
3) players that can handle the bball so Melo doesn't post up from the 3point line to get he ball, which wouldn't really be a post up anymore.

Watch the series of OKC vs Spurs, they are the best examples of a team with OKC *having multiple players that can penetrate*

and

The Spurs, having all 3 with post presence, penetration, and players that can shoot. They mastered the theories of SSOL from Dantoni, while having the defenders to be able
to play good 1v1 defense and great team defense, while not having the weakness's of defense that Dantoni usually has had with his teams.

1) shot blocking and defense
2) rebounding
3) easily passing over his defender
4) getting his shot off

KG also has great foot work that helps him in these areas as well.

Skill wise, he has the ability to post up, and hit anything from inside the 3point shot, even hit the 3pointer at times.
This opens up his ability to penetrate, while Amare forces to go inside, when they dare him to shoot with a half contested shot at best.

He might be a little older, doesn't move as well, or isn't as athletic as he once was, but he is still better than Amare in many areas.

1) he has 110% heart and dedication to the game
2) he backs up all the trash he says, on both ends on the game
3) you might hate him as an opponent, but would love for him to be on your team.
4) he sets great screens *even though a lot of them are illegal*, he has the ability to roam in and roam out for his shot

They have put up similar numbers at times but KG's game is far, superior, team oriented, and all round balanced game.
It wasn't too long ago that KG looked like he was in decline and Amare was looking getting MVP chants.
But we forget that Amare was playing Center, an illusion, that created his stats as the alpha dog, while losing just as many points and possessions on the defensive end.
Simply put, he just doesn't fit in with Melo and Tyson, while no longer being the alpha dog, being able to get the advantages at center, and being a weak link, unable to hold his own or help TC out when TC helps him and others.

Kevin Garnett in his prime could play almost any position on the floor and play it well. Amare has trouble playing one position.

They should not even be compared.

SupremeCommander wrote:KG is one of the best players I've ever seen play. This thread is a little off. What's next, getting on Lin for not being as good as Nash?

I agree, its truly amazing, funny thing is how much people didn't even want to trade Amare for KG in the start of the season,
knowing KG is at least going to be instant cap relief and improve our defense.

Again, I do not think Amare is as bad as he has been playing, but the system, and players have switched on him, while he isn't able to produce those same numbers effectively.
Most importantly, his position has changed from Center to PF, while Tyson Chandler is a great defender, he isn't a scoring threat which creates less room for Stat.

Vmart wrote:Amare lacks a mean streak.

Amare lacks a strong backbone.

SupremeCommander wrote:KG is one of the best players I've ever seen play. This thread is a little off. What's next, getting on Lin for not being as good as Nash?