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RonRon
Posts: 25531 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/22/2002 Member: #246 |
5/24/2012 5:02 PM LAST EDITED: 5/24/2012 5:04 PM
http://www.theknicksblog.com/2012/05/24/darius-johnson-odom/
Darius Johnson-Odom is an interesting option for the Knicks. My guess is he’ll be there for when they pick, but whether or not they want to go in this direction is the question. As a prospect, he’s labeled a combo-guard. Does NY need another one? I’m not so sure. However, he’s more trustworthy with the ball than Toney Douglas, he’s a disciplined defender, and frankly he’s a better option at the point then any reserve on the roster. DJO is undersized, but all 6’3 of him is brute strength. He’s fearless. Consistently focused. Off the dribble he’s at full force attacking north/south, capable of absorbing contact and finishing despite it. But where he’d help the Knicks out the most is on the perimeter. Johnson-Odom is a fine shooter, and a polished one at that. In three years at Marquette, DJO shot a combined 221 for 549 from downtown (40%). He’s never shot below 36% from three in a season, attempting over 5 threes a game over his collegiate career. That’s a pretty large sample size, which reflects consistency and reliability. But what’s intriguing about his stroke is that it comes both off the catch and off the bounce. Johnson-Odom can step up and make guards pay for going under screens, which is significant when you consider he’d be handling the ball. I’ve covered DJO closely over the past few years, and the one word I think of when describing him is “sturdy”. He won’t wow you with creativity. But he’s a constant. A fixture. You know what you’re getting with him- no unpredictability attached, rare to say for a guard. This year he scored at least 15 points in 28 of his 34 games played with only a high of 26. He won’t dominate the ball, nor does he need to. Which is what makes him an interesting option at #48 for NY. Hard not to like this kid. Gritty, proven, underrated athleticism and a consistent threat behind the arc. And you know how I feel about Marquette players recently. Jonathan Wasserman provides his draft input in great detail for NBAdraftnet. He does a tremendous job and TKB is thankful to have him aboard as we approach the draft next month. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I swear, I bet scouts, and analyst read this board, with so many people here making great assessment of players with potential, especially with Briggs. No reason why this kidd cannot be the next making of..... Monta Ellis |
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RonRon
Posts: 25531 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/22/2002 Member: #246 |
5/24/2012 5:34 PM LAST EDITED: 5/24/2012 5:38 PM
AnubisADL wrote:LOL Next Monta or Jennings? Keep dreaming. Allen Iverson, Larry Hughes, and Gilbert Areana's created a new bread of hybrids as the "combo" guards. A player like this would really add to our ability to penetrate and create open shots off it. We need to have the ability to attack, spread the floor, and move the ball like how OKC can and The Spurs do with great spacing and ball movement. JJ Barea was a big part of what Dallas did when they won the championship last year, with Terry, and Dirk all as #1,2,3 options. Rather than Kidd, Nash, or Dragic, we have a chance to acquire a player that is younger and much more explosive. So you don't think Odom can be as good as good as Monta or Jennings? AnubisADL, I believe your one of the believers that Fields would be the starting SG of our future last summer. |
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VCoug
Posts: 24935 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/28/2007 Member: #1406 |
5/24/2012 7:40 PM
He's definitely an interesting guy, and I think I'd be pretty happy if we drafted him. I just don't see how he falls to us at 48.
Now the joy of my world is in Zion
How beautiful if nothing more
Than to wait at Zion's door
I've never been in love like this before
Now let me pray to keep you from
The perils that will surely come
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AnubisADL
Posts: 27382 Alba Posts: 13 Joined: 6/29/2009 Member: #2771 USA |
5/24/2012 7:45 PM
RonRon wrote:So you don't think Odom can be as good as good as Monta or Jennings? Another Barea? Maybe. Jennings and Ellis? Nope. I have been saying since day 1 he is a SF. Others who shall remain nameless said he was our future SG even though he had weak handle and no jumper. NY Knicks - Retirement home for players and GMs
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VCoug
Posts: 24935 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 3/28/2007 Member: #1406 |
5/24/2012 7:57 PM
AnubisADL wrote:RonRon wrote:So you don't think Odom can be as good as good as Monta or Jennings? Really? He shot 40% from three during his college career. Now the joy of my world is in Zion
How beautiful if nothing more
Than to wait at Zion's door
I've never been in love like this before
Now let me pray to keep you from
The perils that will surely come
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RonRon
Posts: 25531 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/22/2002 Member: #246 |
5/24/2012 9:47 PM
AnubisADL wrote:RonRon wrote:So you don't think Odom can be as good as good as Monta or Jennings? If he can be a more JJ Barea, I think that is very solid already. Positions are over rated, I know he played SF in college, but you can't compare that to the pros. I think his game will translate, its whether he will be another combo guard, PG, or undersized SG. As for Fields, I hate to say it, but I told you so, for all these people that swore he was the SG of the future..... and What about all the people that crapped on me for trying to package Amare for KG, when the season first started? and For all the people that said that argued back n forth about why Lin wasn't playing b4 Linsanity? w/e my point is, I make a lot of good analysis of our Knicks, give me a little respect for what I have to say... |
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yellowboy90
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5/24/2012 10:37 PM
I think you just described Derrick Fisher
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ChuckBuck
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5/25/2012 8:24 AM
Wouldn't mind him at 48th, decent value for a PG, and good defender as shown at the combine.
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Bonn1997
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5/25/2012 8:30 AM
The only things that stood out are that he's a freak athlete and he has a high dribble.
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JohnStarksFan
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5/25/2012 9:10 AM
Ok RonRon, I'm on board.
What you don't see in these videos is his defensive ability/tenacity. That is very intriguing. Bonn, you don't also see that shooting ability? Especially with a hand in his face? He seems to have a natural ability once at the rim, but in the pros at 6'3", that won't happen nearly as much as it did at Marquette. But that's ok. It will force him to learn. But Bonn, you're right about that high dribble, that can't stay like that at pro level. Besides the defense, second most impressive thing IMO is his strength. He has that in spades. And that makes him very versatile as a combo. And yes, I think NY needs that. Really we need a PG, but with his strength he can do both, and with the small rotations Woody liked to run, with fields at 3 and melo at 4, Lin and DJO in the back together could cause some havoc for defenses at times. Problem. He might not be around at 48 if we keep talking about him and ESPN keeps doing interviews with him. So I say we STFU about him, or even better, start threads about how much he sucks. |
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JohnStarksFan
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5/25/2012 2:56 PM
AnubisADL wrote:LOL Next Monta or Jennings? Keep dreaming. True. |
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Anji
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5/25/2012 4:17 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:The only things that stood out are that he's a freak athlete and he has a high dribble. From the last scouting piece on him he's your kinda guy Bronn. He was super efficient as a sophomore and pretty good as a senior. He is a catch and shoot player who has improve his shooting off the dribble in his last season. "Really, all Americans want is a cold beer, warm p***y, and some place to s**t with a door on it." - Mr. Ford
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Olbrannon
Posts: 21913 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 10/2/2009 Member: #2919 USA |
5/25/2012 7:16 PM LAST EDITED: 5/25/2012 7:17 PM
DraftXpress currently has him listed as the selection just before we pick. Now the question in my mind is which is more of a position of need and that greatly depends on the Jeremy Lin situation and the ruling. Which happens first?
"Bird and Early Bird rights are among the most valuable rights that players have under the Collective Bargaining Agreement," union executive director Billy Hunter said in a statement. "These rights simply cannot be extinguished in the absence of an affirmative decision by a player to select a team through free agency. We will ask the arbitrator to resolve this dispute on an expedited basis and prior to the commencement of free agency." http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20120521/SPORTS/120529957 This should be resolved soon since they have asked for an 'expedition'. With free agency to begin July 1, 2012 and the draft set tenetavily for 6/28/2012 http://www.insidehoops.com/calendar.shtml With current roster personnel a lot depends on the Lin situation. If it turns out the Knicks can retain those rights I would expect SG or SF to be the target. That said at pick 40+ something and only one pick you take the best player available even if he might be a project. I would expect the Knicks to buy another second round pick if possible. O/T- About Stephen A's "State of Mind" does anyone else feel as I do that he has pretty much lost his mind? and his credibility. I enjoy some of what comes out of Barkeley's mouth since it so off the wall and oblique at times but I am not real fond of the 'proclamations' either utter. NBA reminds more of the WWF everyday. Bill Simmons on Tyreke Evans
"The prototypical 0-guard: Someone who handles the ball all the time, looks for his own shot, gets to the rim at will and operates best if his teammates spread the floor to watch him."
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STATMELO
Posts: 20199 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/10/2011 Member: #3637 |
5/26/2012 2:19 PM
RonRon wrote:AnubisADL wrote:LOL Next Monta or Jennings? Keep dreaming. I like Darius Johnson-Odom but not as much as you do. I wouldn't trade up for him. Scoop Jardine, Scott Machado and Tyshawn Taylor are more realistic options. How can you even think Monta is better than AI. Monta is not the scorer AI was, Monta is not as feared. Monta is not as good defensively, and Monta just doesn't have the heart that AI has. AI led a mediocre 76ers team to the Finals, Monta Ellis has never even led his team to the playoffs. |
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Bonn1997
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5/26/2012 2:29 PM
Anji wrote:Bonn1997 wrote:The only things that stood out are that he's a freak athlete and he has a high dribble. Your right; his point per shot and 3 PT% are excellent. |
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callmened
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5/26/2012 9:41 PM
im a DJO fan however hes not what the knicks need. hes an undersized 2G trapped in a PG's body. plays hard and is aggressive but hes a streaky outside shooter. Hopefully, knix can trade toney douglas (yet another 2G trapped in a PG body) and get a higher 2nd rd draft pick. I'm not sure how much talent there is in this draft let alone the 2nd round.
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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