Blake Griffen
Lebron James at PF, which they do at times....
Bass
KG
Dirk
Durant
Ibaka
Ryan Anderson
Aldridge
Pau Gasol
Tim Duncan
Boris Diaw
Bosh
Kevin Love
Mahimi
Brandon Wright
Gooden
Ilyasova
David Lee
Nene
Faried

players he might have a better time defender, given his strength, but will probably have to give them the shot.
Boozer
David West
Ok4
Zbo

I see him defending players like backup Centers better that are 2nd/3rd string and certain starting centers much better

Kendrick Perkins
Omar Osik
Greg Stimensa
Big Baby
Jefferson
Hiddayhi

majority of the PF's would eat him up, or at least have the shot or penetration over him if he tried to defend their shot, given his lack of foot speed.
And when he stands at the 3point line, even if his man defended him, he currently doesn't even have the ability to blow pass him, and take it to the lane, consistently.
I hope this is something he can work on, many people here mislead him to be a stretch 4, because we want him to be one, without thinking he has the ability to defend the position.

Noah
Marc Gasol
Pau Gasol
KG

players that have good length, and athleticism, that can cover for him, with some offensive game with all around skills, would suit Jorts at PF,

but

I just don't think it would work with Tyson Chandler.

ATrain wrote:He is definitely a poor man's David Lee but I think what he did in Kentucky is a good sign about his work ethic and potential.

they both have great work ethic, but their games are totally different.
David Lee came in the league as a hustle/energy player and rebounder with timing, and leaping ability.

He is ambidextrous, with some post up game, and can penetrate.
He developed his handle, passing skills, shot, and ability to finish well over time.
Dantoni, playing him as a Point/Forward Point/Center, really helped developed Lee's game and skills.

yellowboy90 wrote:I think you guys are under selling his movement skills on D. Some players just know how to play and I think he is one of them. In an ideal world he would be quicker but Amar'e is quick and is terrible on D. What Joey's needs to do is come back 20-25 lbs lighter and improve his shot.

he was 300pds, just 3 years ago, have you actually watched his footwork and lack of speed?
his body build and frame has trimmed down a lot already but it is amazing that he is playing on a pro level.
Do you notice how hard he runs back on defense on a fast break, just to keep up on defense, so his man doesn't beat him.
But his first step or lack of quickness is evident when you watch him play, on offense and on defense.

He is big boy, strong, and doesn't get moved easily, but simply put, he isn't very mobile.
don't look at the stats he produced and suggest he can play PF because of it.

Can he work out more, do some more foot work drills, coordination, work on speed/quickness, YES, but if he loses some of the weight, sure.
Kevin Love came in training camp this year, totally different, with a different body structure, and improved his mobility.
But Kevin Love showed much more versatility and skills Jorts did during his couple of years here.
He should probably get in touch with Love and ask for some advice, what drills and routines he did.

After Jorts break out game on the Kings, I wondered the same thing, I knew Amare's game just didn't fit well with Tyson and Melo.
He has added some post up moves to his arsenal very late to the year but his mobility was just not there.

Jorts does have a pretty good power jump, he is just not very light on his feet.
I hope we can retain him but not sure if he wants to be a PF vs a Center.
Centers generally get paid better in the league, he just has to develop more game.
He has a great feel for the game and good instincts.
If you didn't see what I am talking about when you actually watched him play, you didn't pay attention to him or you just fail to see he isn't a PF, at least not yet.

But it just isn't fair to ask if he could be a PF of our future, when he isn't even one yet.
So its a jump before you can crawl...

RonRon wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I think you guys are under selling his movement skills on D. Some players just know how to play and I think he is one of them. In an ideal world he would be quicker but Amar'e is quick and is terrible on D. What Joey's needs to do is come back 20-25 lbs lighter and improve his shot.

he was 300pds, just 3 years ago, have you actually watched his footwork and lack of speed?
his body build and frame has trimmed down a lot already but it is amazing that he is playing on a pro level.
Do you notice how hard he runs back on defense on a fast break, just to keep up on defense, so his man doesn't beat him.
But his first step or lack of quickness is evident when you watch him play, on offense and on defense.

He is big boy, strong, and doesn't get moved easily, but simply put, he isn't very mobile.
don't look at the stats he produced and suggest he can play PF because of it.

Can he work out more, do some more foot work drills, coordination, work on speed/quickness, YES, but if he loses some of the weight, sure.
Kevin Love came in training camp this year, totally different, with a different body structure, and improved his mobility.
But Kevin Love showed much more versatility and skills Jorts did during his couple of years here.
He should probably get in touch with Love and ask for some advice, what drills and routines he did.

After Jorts break out game on the Kings, I wondered the same thing, I knew Amare's game just didn't fit well with Tyson and Melo.
He has added some post up moves to his arsenal very late to the year but his mobility was just not there.

Jorts does have a pretty good power jump, he is just not very light on his feet.
I hope we can retain him but not sure if he wants to be a PF vs a Center.
Centers generally get paid better in the league, he just has to develop more game.
He has a great feel for the game and good instincts.
If you didn't see what I am talking about when you actually watched him play, you didn't pay attention to him or you just fail to see he isn't a PF, at least not yet.

But it just isn't fair to ask if he could be a PF of our future, when he isn't even one yet.
So its a jump before you can crawl...

Oakley was not light on his feet either. Good point about Kevin Love tho

yellowboy90 wrote:I think you guys are under selling his movement skills on D. Some players just know how to play and I think he is one of them. In an ideal world he would be quicker but Amar'e is quick and is terrible on D. What Joey's needs to do is come back 20-25 lbs lighter and improve his shot.

YES! I was telling mad people about his defensive positioning. He follows his man and the ball (as preached by Walt) and always seems to get involved in the play. He has instincts for rebounding and plays the pick and roll very well. Overall I think he would be great second string. Let him get his confidence up and give him the minutes. And I do think Chandler and Jorts compliment each other well. I would like to see more sets with those 2 involved.

Most important aspect of his game that make him useful: His touch around the basket on the offensive end. He hits hook shots that Chandler and STAT can only dream about. If he could only get the uff off his feet more and not got swatted by guys with long frames it would be even more of an asset.

Good thread.

ChuckBuck wrote:If Jorts gets rid of the tire around his waist, improves his conditioning and stamina, retains his defensive instincts and improves some more, gain some consistency on offense, sure he "can" be the ideal PF of the Future. As of right now this moment, he is pencilled in as the ideal backup PF of the Future.

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