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I think Felton is the better buy for the Knicks
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Anji
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5/23/2012  7:15 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/23/2012  7:22 AM
Last 18 games:
Felton
14.6pts 46% 7.6ast

Last 18 games:
Lin
15.7pts 42% 7.2ast

I believe the Knicks could sign Felton for 2 years 6 million and avoid being hard capped at 74 million dollars for the year. Because of the starting job and the spot light of New York he would take the chance to rebuild his value before getting to an age where he only has 1 big payday left.

Listening to the salary cap guru Larry Coon, as I understand it the Apron is a hard cap for teams that are non-tax payers and the use of the MLE defines teams as either tax paying or non tax paying. Because Tax paying teams only get a 3 million dollar exception, the second we use 3+ million of the MLE we will be hard capped.

So signing Lin to the full MLE, puts the Knicks in a situation that they will only have 8-6 million dollars to bring in the second pick, vet minimums, Fields, JR Smith, Jorts, Novack or the LLE. We would have to choose between these options.

Where if the knicks where to only spend 3 million of the MLE, the LLE is still in play, Qualified offers/bird rights are still in play, player raises are still available, vet minimums are still available. Only reason the knicks would loose out on a Novack and JR Smith is because the players wanted more money. We could bring everybody back if they wanted to come back, plus whatever Vets we could get and the LLE if the Knicks didn't use it on Novack.

Seeing as minus the absurd 30plus usage rates, Lin finished the season with numbers very comparable to Felton, I would let Lin walk if he gets a crazy deal to sign Felton. Because not only are you getting a comparable player and a better defender, you are also still more money to fill out the rest of roster.

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5/23/2012  7:47 AM
The Felton ship sailed in the melo trade. I don't think we bring him back.

Let's hope with Lin's Harvard education he was able to memorize all of MDA's offense so he can continue to play that way next year (and in 2015 when Melo is gone!).

Lin and Fields. Smartest backcourt in the league.

If Lin can't make magic again next year, I wouldn't mind Shumpert at point guard. (Hold the Shump is not a PG comments)

Had enough Melo?
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5/23/2012  8:02 AM
someone called me crazy for saying Lin might not be back. So clearly you are absurd!

If we don't get bird rights for Lin- I think there is a very plausible scenario where the Knicks don't bring Lin back, and go a different direction.

I didn't watch Felton last year at all- but when he was here, he was more than adequate.

Are those 18 games for Felton from this season?

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5/23/2012  8:11 AM
TymeLessKnicks wrote:The Felton ship sailed in the melo trade. I don't think we bring him back.

Let's hope with Lin's Harvard education he was able to memorize all of MDA's offense so he can continue to play that way next year (and in 2015 when Melo is gone!).

Lin and Fields. Smartest backcourt in the league.

If Lin can't make magic again next year, I wouldn't mind Shumpert at point guard. (Hold the Shump is not a PG comments)


Felton at 2 years, $6 mil would be a good buy. I doubt he wants to play here though. 2015 is when Melo will be playing on the Knicks in the first year of his new five year max contract!
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5/23/2012  8:23 AM
franco12 wrote:someone called me crazy for saying Lin might not be back. So clearly you are absurd!

If we don't get bird rights for Lin- I think there is a very plausible scenario where the Knicks don't bring Lin back, and go a different direction.

I didn't watch Felton last year at all- but when he was here, he was more than adequate.

Are those 18 games for Felton from this season?


Yeah those were Feltons last 18 games after McMillan(?) got canned and Lins last 18 starting from the end of Linsanity against Dallas.

Very similar.

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5/23/2012  8:29 AM
We don't know how many of those games Lin's meniscus was torn during.
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5/23/2012  8:32 AM
No thanks. Pass on fat ass Felton.

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5/23/2012  9:35 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:We don't know how many of those games Lin's meniscus was torn during.

Nobody knows, but how much better would Lin have to pay to justify the Knicks having a hard Cap placed on the team. Was he going to average 20points and 10 assists with a usage percent below 25. I don't think so.

Unless he hurt his knee right after Linsanity, I think Feltons finish to the season just as good.

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5/23/2012  9:40 AM
Your question is a silly exaggeration. There's a lot of room between how he played post-Linsanity and 20 and 10, which would make him the best PG in the nation. As for the usage rate, he is a an efficient player - I don't mind him having a high usage rate. He is more efficient than Melo and JR.
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5/23/2012  9:45 AM
Felton couldn't run the P&R with Stat the last time, what makes anyone think that he can do it now? He put up some nice numbers, not nice enough to forget that he called his own number too much and his decision making was too often questionable.

Andre Miller would be a nice fit but he said wants to stay in Denver. He says he wants to go to a contender but wouldn't mind being the backup PG in Denver which is weird considering they won't be contending for a few years, if ever. Maybe the Knicks can convince him otherwise.

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5/23/2012  9:52 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/23/2012  9:54 AM
It's a legit question. How well would he had to have done to make his play plus a hard cap a better buy than Felton?

Even without the tear, I don't think he is performing that much better than where he ended, specifically because his usage percent went down with other scorers on the court.

I Would rather spend 3 million on Felton.

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5/23/2012  10:00 AM
Felton would be a great pick up..He had excellent chemistry with Amare to propel Amare to near MVP status along with making others think he was playing like an All Star...I'll bring him back in a heartbeat...Tough hard nose player who can run the pick and roll and understand how to get the ball to the main guys in the offense...U won't get him for 6 mil over 2 years..
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5/23/2012  10:11 AM
Anji wrote:It's a legit question. How well would he had to have done to make his play plus a hard cap a better buy than Felton?

Even without the tear, I don't think he is performing that much better than where he ended, specifically because his usage percent went down with other scorers on the court.

I Would rather spend 3 million on Felton.


Maybe I'm misunderstanding the situation but if all we lose is the LLE, I don't see it as a huge deal. (And I haven't read anywhere else that we lose the LLE if we sign Lin to the full MLE.) It would be nice to have the LLE but for $3 mil you can probably buy a late 1st round pick and get an equally effective player.
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5/23/2012  10:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/23/2012  10:34 AM
1 hour mark, Larry Coon explains.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/newyork/play?id=7944200

You don't Lose the LLE, you become hard capped at 74 million.

So Let's assume you sign Lin to 5 million and resign JR to 3 million. The knicks only have about 3 million dollars under the hard cap left. So you can either use the LLE or sign 3 players to Vet mins or QO Fields.

We also have a second round pick and Jorts option to pick up, so that also could add up to 1.5 million.

If they don't spend more than 3 million, the hard cap does not come into play.
You can then use the LLE and sign 3 players to the vet min and QO Fields while resigning JR Smith. The knicks can go beyond that 74million dollar Apron from my understanding.

Which is why the bird rights suit is important, the MLE full is the kiss of death in the new CBA not the 74million dollar mark as I thought before.

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5/23/2012  10:35 AM
Anji wrote:1 hour mark, Larry Coon explains.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/newyork/play?id=7944200

You don't Lose the LLE, you become hard capped at 74 million.

So Let's assume you sign Lin to 5 million and resign JR to 3 million. The knicks only have about 3 million dollars under the hard cap left. So you can either use the LLE or sign 3 players to Vet mins or QO Fields.

If they don't spend more than 3 million, the hard cap does not come into play.
You can then use the LLE and sign 3 players to the vet min and QO Fields while resigning JR Smith. The knicks can go beyond that 74million dollar Apron from my understanding.

Which is why the bird rights suit is important, the MLE full is the kiss of death in the new CBA not the 74million dollar mark as I thought before.


I see. Was $74 mil the figure for last year or next year?
Regardless, I think you're right that coming off surgery, Lin at the full MLE is a bad gamble. Any investor knows you should diversify. There are many under-valued, highly efficient NBA players that would be better gambles. Lin for 5 years and half the MLE would be a great deal though. I think Felton will get at least 3 years, $10 mil.
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5/23/2012  10:39 AM
franco12 wrote:someone called me crazy for saying Lin might not be back. So clearly you are absurd!

If we don't get bird rights for Lin- I think there is a very plausible scenario where the Knicks don't bring Lin back, and go a different direction.

I didn't watch Felton last year at all- but when he was here, he was more than adequate.

Are those 18 games for Felton from this season?

not gonna happen, or at least there is a 99.9% chance it won't happen. Lin just earns the Knicks too much money. And/or he is a trade asset. He just doesn't walk away.

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5/23/2012  11:37 AM
felton or no felton, we still need a 2nd point guard even with Lin in the fold.
the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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5/23/2012  11:50 AM
Some people on this board will stop at nothing to get rid of Lin, I think it is rooted in their fear that Lin has the goods to steal the spotlight away from their beloved "superstar". Dumb thread, Lin is staying get over it.

Felton was playing in a ball movement offense similar to MDA style, Lin was playing under Woody who could care less about ball movement and who's offense consists of dumping the ball to Melo. Great comparison based on 18 games.

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5/23/2012  12:17 PM
We just need to focus on developing Lin and drafting a decent backup PG with our 2nd round pick. We can definitely find a player capable of playing 15 quality minutes a game off the bench. Jardine or Machado are both good possibilities.
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5/23/2012  12:45 PM
martin wrote:
franco12 wrote:someone called me crazy for saying Lin might not be back. So clearly you are absurd!

If we don't get bird rights for Lin- I think there is a very plausible scenario where the Knicks don't bring Lin back, and go a different direction.

I didn't watch Felton last year at all- but when he was here, he was more than adequate.

Are those 18 games for Felton from this season?

not gonna happen, or at least there is a 99.9% chance it won't happen. Lin just earns the Knicks too much money. And/or he is a trade asset. He just doesn't walk away.

And I thought there was a 99.9% chance that the knicks would at least call Phil Jackson to see if his hip was good enough for 2 years of trying to turn Melo into a champion.

The jersey sales and Chinese TV money are compelling, and understand, I want Lin back.

But, I can see a confluence of events where Dolan's win now mantra, the $74M 'cap', Woodson's preference for a different pg and a back loaded cap killing contract offer to Lin could lead us to go a different direction.

I think Felton is the better buy for the Knicks

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