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Nalod
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5/20/2012  11:25 AM

Hoping for a SAS vs. Indy final. OKC VS Indy also.

The antistarphuch.

Bulls did build thru draft only adding Booze. Deng, Noah and Rose all draft.

Today Indy will either move forward or they will succumb. They have a great opportunity.

Im not smack talking any team that moves forward while kNicks don't.

Have to respect talent and the preparation.

Even Philly, they were good most of the season. They are not a great team but they are no fluke either.

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5/20/2012  12:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/20/2012  12:05 PM
Right now, I'd be happy with anyone but Miami. The 3 other eastern teams, even if I can't root for them, I guess I can tolerate them.

Despite loving a good underdog story, I find myself happily rooting for the Spurs and OKC. San Antonio is just a classy organization from the top down, and for them to be as good as they have, for as long as they have, is no small feat. OKC just has a LOT of young, very exciting talent. If this doesn't end up being their year, they're going to have plenty more chances going forward.

I'm look forward to the Western Conference Finals more than anything.

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5/20/2012  3:57 PM
What???? You mean solid teams built thru the draft and small pickups here and there WITHOUT spending a gazillion dollars???? How could that be? Smh!
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5/20/2012  4:58 PM
ShellTopAdidas wrote:What???? You mean solid teams built thru the draft and small pickups here and there WITHOUT spending a gazillion dollars???? How could that be? Smh!

Bulls dont deserve much praise they were rebuilding through the draft for how many years.They would still be a terrible team had they not lucked into Rose. They missed on how may lottery picks.

OKC is my favorite team outside of the Knicks but they were very bad for a long time

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5/20/2012  5:27 PM
Jmpasq wrote:
ShellTopAdidas wrote:What???? You mean solid teams built thru the draft and small pickups here and there WITHOUT spending a gazillion dollars???? How could that be? Smh!

Bulls dont deserve much praise they were rebuilding through the draft for how many years.They would still be a terrible team had they not lucked into Rose. They missed on how may lottery picks.

OKC is my favorite team outside of the Knicks but they were very bad for a long time


Fewer than we've been starphucking!
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5/20/2012  6:31 PM
You really need to stop watching Pro basketball or stop posting about not trading for or having Stars! This is a Star league and has been since Magic and Bird, and exploded with Jordan. So all you fan that think you can win without a Star must have not watching basketball for 30+ years. Just STOP!
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5/20/2012  7:08 PM
mikesknicks wrote:You really need to stop watching Pro basketball or stop posting about not trading for or having Stars! This is a Star league and has been since Magic and Bird, and exploded with Jordan. So all you fan that think you can win without a Star must have not watching basketball for 30+ years. Just STOP!

Stars doesn't necessarily blend in with each other. Do you really consider ATM to be stars? Systems sometimes makes stars, look at Dantoni, at least great stats....

Stat *scoring machine*

Melo * post up, mid range, and scoring mosnter*

with

Tyson Chandler *elite defender, shot blocking presence*

OFFENSIVELY
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They do not work together because of many reasons. They take room away from each other and clog the paint.
Stat is a fake star, he cannot defend, and must have a center guard him to be *elite like*

Now, with Amare and Tyson Chandler inside, Melo has no room to post up, because the paint is clogged, but when he throws it back out, those guys can't shoot.
Melo resorts to shooting off the dribble, when DEF are set to grab the rebound and sometimes ready for a fast break, knowing 90% time Melo will try to score if he touches the ball.

Our PF and Center, has 0 post moves, TC doesn't shoot anything beyond 2 feet.
He needs just a jump hook, drop step, and to fight for post position when 1v1 left alone in the paint.

Amare only has 1 move, drive pass u and dunk, or shoot it.



DEFENSIVELY

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Tyson is our only shot blocker, with Amare having HORRIBLE Defense, doesn't box out, and doesn't move his feet well.
He isn't bad as a help defender when he is a center, often getting blocks, but as a PF, once he leaves his man, it is an easy put back, while a center he could sometimes out jump.
When Tyson constantly helps, he leaves his man open, and it opens up our opponents game, when they know he will cheat.
Realistically, he should mix it up, but while having so many weak defenders, and Amare being so horrible defensively, he cannot recover 90% of the time.
He should be teamed up with some one that is much better, a healthy JJ, did wonders during Linsanity, as our defense, was there on effort every night, and all 5 players played well.

Of course we didn't beat any elite teams that played well, we beat some teams that were on bad runs.
But lets be honest, aside from Indiana, chances of us beating the Lakers or Dallas, are against us if we had a best of 7 series.


Lakers
Dallas
Pacers twice in a row


So, what kind of a team are we going to try to assemble, with what coach, what priorities, what philosophies, and what are our priorities?

1) Defense - Are we looking to play Man and/or Zone with certain players because of their weakness, especially vs some teams.

2) good shots, ball movement through penetration? picks, movement off the ball?

3) are we half court or full court team? Are we still looking to push like we did during Linsanity or Iso ball with Melo?
If we want to take high % shots, we need combinations of either post up threats, penetration, screens, to go with shooting threats, and motion.

4) developing roles for our players and counters on plays

5) do our 2nd unit/3rd unit players, change philosophies?


6) build chemistry with and finding our the best pairings of players and units.
For instance, Tyson Chandler, should be paired with another rebounder shot blocker, whenever we face teams that can penetrate like Miami and OKC.

7) take the time to teach someone that is brain dead, like TD, and build on his confidence during practice, and in games like how Poppavich has been doing the past 2 years.

8) Know more or less, how teams will attack us and be ready for it.
For instance, most teams will look to attack, exploit, Amare, Lin, and Melo *if he has to defend a shooter, because he likes to cheat for rebounds*
Also, we relied so much on switching in the beginning of the year, and let it happen way too easily, letting our opponents dictate the match ups they wanted

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5/20/2012  8:12 PM
Robinson got hurt, Spurs tanked the season and lucked into a franchise center/forward in Duncan. Its always said that in order to win a championship, teams need talent and luck. Lets be real here, the Pacers and Sixers have had luck on their side throughout the playoffs. The Pacers played the Magic without Dwight and Now the Heat without Bosh. Sixers played the Bulls without Rose and Noah. Once Woodson took over, we proved to be better than both the Pacers and Sixers. Yet they are still playing and we are not. Luck of the draw.....
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5/20/2012  9:17 PM
Nalod wrote:
Hoping for a SAS vs. Indy final. OKC VS Indy also.

The antistarphuch.

Bulls did build thru draft only adding Booze. Deng, Noah and Rose all draft.

Today Indy will either move forward or they will succumb. They have a great opportunity.

Im not smack talking any team that moves forward while kNicks don't.

Have to respect talent and the preparation.

Even Philly, they were good most of the season. They are not a great team but they are no fluke either.

What does this have to do with your so call Star whatever. These teams you want winning already have top players on it.

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5/20/2012  9:34 PM
mikesknicks wrote:You really need to stop watching Pro basketball or stop posting about not trading for or having Stars! This is a Star league and has been since Magic and Bird, and exploded with Jordan. So all you fan that think you can win without a Star must have not watching basketball for 30+ years. Just STOP!

Your right! I mean after all its done wonders for us!
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5/20/2012  10:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/20/2012  10:30 PM
Its obvious most teams draft their stars and have to be lucky to do so.

Durant was the no. 2 pick. there was no genius there except luck oden went first.

Same for Jordan who went no. 3. Or Kobe at 13 then traded.

So lets just say there many ways to rebuild and the knicks suck at it.

For those who want to instruct me on this post, its about SMALL MKT TEAMS and that there are few succeeding this year.

Guys like tony Parker, Manu and Duncan would be gods if they played in a big market.

Clips drafted Jordan and Griff but used mostly drafted assets to make the trade for Paul.

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5/20/2012  10:38 PM
Nalod wrote:Its obvious most teams draft their stars and have to be lucky to do so.

Durant was the no. 2 pick. there was no genius there except luck oden went first.

Same for Jordan who went no. 3. Or Kobe at 13 then traded.

So lets just say there many ways to rebuild and the knicks suck at it.

For those who want to instruct me on this post, its about SMALL MKT TEAMS and that there are few succeeding this year.

Guys like tony Parker, Manu and Duncan would be gods if they played in a big market.

Clips drafted Jordan and Griff but used mostly drafted assets to make the trade for Paul.

When will you accept the fact that the Knicks are not about Championships. They have an opportunity to add a winning coach who has more titles than anyone has played the game and they aren't even entertaining him.

If this organization wins a championship it will be by accident not by design and planning.

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5/21/2012  8:07 AM
Vmart wrote:
Nalod wrote:Its obvious most teams draft their stars and have to be lucky to do so.

Durant was the no. 2 pick. there was no genius there except luck oden went first.

Same for Jordan who went no. 3. Or Kobe at 13 then traded.

So lets just say there many ways to rebuild and the knicks suck at it.

For those who want to instruct me on this post, its about SMALL MKT TEAMS and that there are few succeeding this year.

Guys like tony Parker, Manu and Duncan would be gods if they played in a big market.

Clips drafted Jordan and Griff but used mostly drafted assets to make the trade for Paul.

When will you accept the fact that the Knicks are not about Championships. They have an opportunity to add a winning coach who has more titles than anyone has played the game and they aren't even entertaining him.

If this organization wins a championship it will be by accident not by design and planning.

Just because u didnt hear about it doesnt mean the Knicks didnt put feelers out. No way Jackson was coming to this roster anyway U guys who thought that were fooling yourselves. Saved themselves the embarrassment by making a public offer getting rebuffed then have to go back to Woodson
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5/21/2012  8:46 AM
Jmpasq wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Nalod wrote:Its obvious most teams draft their stars and have to be lucky to do so.

Durant was the no. 2 pick. there was no genius there except luck oden went first.

Same for Jordan who went no. 3. Or Kobe at 13 then traded.

So lets just say there many ways to rebuild and the knicks suck at it.

For those who want to instruct me on this post, its about SMALL MKT TEAMS and that there are few succeeding this year.

Guys like tony Parker, Manu and Duncan would be gods if they played in a big market.

Clips drafted Jordan and Griff but used mostly drafted assets to make the trade for Paul.

When will you accept the fact that the Knicks are not about Championships. They have an opportunity to add a winning coach who has more titles than anyone has played the game and they aren't even entertaining him.

If this organization wins a championship it will be by accident not by design and planning.

Just because u didnt hear about it doesnt mean the Knicks didnt put feelers out. No way Jackson was coming to this roster anyway U guys who thought that were fooling yourselves. Saved themselves the embarrassment by making a public offer getting rebuffed then have to go back to Woodson

How do you know he wasn't going to come here, did you put a feeler out? The Knicks didn't put anything out. They didn't contact Jackson at all. Gunwald and Woodson are buddies from the past and they are gonna look out for each other, only way Phil is gonna come here is if Dolan makes the call. If Grunwald has it his way Woodson is going to be his guy, only because of past connection.

I can't believe that 18-6 and a first round exit is going to be the determining factor for the NYK future.

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5/21/2012  9:04 AM
Vmart wrote:
Nalod wrote:Its obvious most teams draft their stars and have to be lucky to do so.

Durant was the no. 2 pick. there was no genius there except luck oden went first.

Same for Jordan who went no. 3. Or Kobe at 13 then traded.

So lets just say there many ways to rebuild and the knicks suck at it.

For those who want to instruct me on this post, its about SMALL MKT TEAMS and that there are few succeeding this year.

Guys like tony Parker, Manu and Duncan would be gods if they played in a big market.

Clips drafted Jordan and Griff but used mostly drafted assets to make the trade for Paul.

When will you accept the fact that the Knicks are not about Championships. They have an opportunity to add a winning coach who has more titles than anyone has played the game and they aren't even entertaining him.

If this organization wins a championship it will be by accident not by design and planning.

It may be true that the Knicks will need a lot of luck to win a ship...........however the team is in Year 2 (out of 5) with a new core. They've made the playoffs both years. While this is still a far cry from being a champion, it is much better than not even making the playoffs for like ten years prior.

Sometimes bad luck gets in the way as well. Imagine what a full speed and developing Shump going in to next year would have meant to this team's progression?

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5/21/2012  9:34 AM
foosballnick wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Nalod wrote:Its obvious most teams draft their stars and have to be lucky to do so.

Durant was the no. 2 pick. there was no genius there except luck oden went first.

Same for Jordan who went no. 3. Or Kobe at 13 then traded.

So lets just say there many ways to rebuild and the knicks suck at it.

For those who want to instruct me on this post, its about SMALL MKT TEAMS and that there are few succeeding this year.

Guys like tony Parker, Manu and Duncan would be gods if they played in a big market.

Clips drafted Jordan and Griff but used mostly drafted assets to make the trade for Paul.

When will you accept the fact that the Knicks are not about Championships. They have an opportunity to add a winning coach who has more titles than anyone has played the game and they aren't even entertaining him.

If this organization wins a championship it will be by accident not by design and planning.

It may be true that the Knicks will need a lot of luck to win a ship...........however the team is in Year 2 (out of 5) with a new core. They've made the playoffs both years. While this is still a far cry from being a champion, it is much better than not even making the playoffs for like ten years prior.

Sometimes bad luck gets in the way as well. Imagine what a full speed and developing Shump going in to next year would have meant to this team's progression?

I don't disagree with you. All I'm asking for is a coach that has history of winning and increases the teams psyche that will prove invaluable to getting a championship.

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5/21/2012  9:56 AM
Uptown wrote:Robinson got hurt, Spurs tanked the season and lucked into a franchise center/forward in Duncan. Its always said that in order to win a championship, teams need talent and luck. Lets be real here, the Pacers and Sixers have had luck on their side throughout the playoffs. The Pacers played the Magic without Dwight and Now the Heat without Bosh. Sixers played the Bulls without Rose and Noah. Once Woodson took over, we proved to be better than both the Pacers and Sixers. Yet they are still playing and we are not. Luck of the draw.....

True, in order to win a championship teams need talent and some luck, but there is no question that the Spurs, Pacers and Sixers came ready to play from day one, that’s the reason why the first two finished with excellent regular season record and the Sixers finished just a few games behind us, despite not having any super talent on that team.

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5/21/2012  11:44 AM
Jmpasq wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Nalod wrote:Its obvious most teams draft their stars and have to be lucky to do so.

Durant was the no. 2 pick. there was no genius there except luck oden went first.

Same for Jordan who went no. 3. Or Kobe at 13 then traded.

So lets just say there many ways to rebuild and the knicks suck at it.

For those who want to instruct me on this post, its about SMALL MKT TEAMS and that there are few succeeding this year.

Guys like tony Parker, Manu and Duncan would be gods if they played in a big market.

Clips drafted Jordan and Griff but used mostly drafted assets to make the trade for Paul.

When will you accept the fact that the Knicks are not about Championships. They have an opportunity to add a winning coach who has more titles than anyone has played the game and they aren't even entertaining him.

If this organization wins a championship it will be by accident not by design and planning.

Just because u didnt hear about it doesnt mean the Knicks didnt put feelers out. No way Jackson was coming to this roster anyway U guys who thought that were fooling yourselves. Saved themselves the embarrassment by making a public offer getting rebuffed then have to go back to Woodson

im more inclined to think along these lines and perhaps a back channel communique was done and the media can say what it wants but all parties are not gonna say a thing.

It makes sense. Not that everything at MSG makes sense.

Of course Dolan can be completley inept.

When Grunwald was extended and the interm taken off it kind of spelled the direction they go in.

Phil Jax would bring a high level of drama and perhaps if the team were to falter you know Phil is not gonna look bad.

IT would be on Melo.

StarMelo got a good gig going in NYC.

I wonder what the Nets are gonna do?

Phil can get his NY thing and take a few seasons to do it. Im not saying Phil signs up for a youth rebuild but the nets have yet to show their ass. Maybe nothing there to show, but its gonna be interesting.

Small Mkt finals........

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