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K22
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5/13/2012  6:03 PM
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“(Flopping is) not a legitimate play in my judgment. I recognize if there's contact (you) move a little bit, but some of this is acting. We should give out Oscars rather than MVP trophies.”

It's award season in the NBA but commissioner David Stern is concerned his league may be veering too close to handing out Oscars.

During Sunday's Eastern Conference semifinal opener between the Miami Heat and Indiana Pacers, Stern was asked what he thought about comments made by Pacers coach Frank Vogel in regards to what Vogel considered the Heat's tendency to flop.

"(Vogel) didn't have a beef; he was just manipulating the refereeing or trying to," Stern said. "I would have fined him much more than our office did."

While Stern chastised Vogel for on Thursday calling the Heat "the biggest flopping team in the NBA," he did intimate that he sees merit in the sentiment.

"I think it's time to look at (flopping) in a more serious way," Stern said, "because it's only designed to fool the referee. It's not a legitimate play in my judgment. I recognize if there's contact (you) move a little bit, but some of this is acting. We should give out Oscars rather than MVP trophies."

More at the link. So he acknowledges the issue - will he actually DO something about it?

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5/13/2012  6:06 PM
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“(Flopping is) not a legitimate play in my judgment. I recognize if there's contact (you) move a little bit, but some of this is acting. We should give out Oscars rather than MVP trophies.”

It's award season in the NBA but commissioner David Stern is concerned his league may be veering too close to handing out Oscars.

During Sunday's Eastern Conference semifinal opener between the Miami Heat and Indiana Pacers, Stern was asked what he thought about comments made by Pacers coach Frank Vogel in regards to what Vogel considered the Heat's tendency to flop.

"(Vogel) didn't have a beef; he was just manipulating the refereeing or trying to," Stern said. "I would have fined him much more than our office did."

While Stern chastised Vogel for on Thursday calling the Heat "the biggest flopping team in the NBA," he did intimate that he sees merit in the sentiment.

"I think it's time to look at (flopping) in a more serious way," Stern said, "because it's only designed to fool the referee. It's not a legitimate play in my judgment. I recognize if there's contact (you) move a little bit, but some of this is acting. We should give out Oscars rather than MVP trophies."

More at the link. So he acknowledges the issue - will he actually DO something about it?


they should get technicals for it
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5/13/2012  6:10 PM
JVG made him address it by constantly embarrassing him
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5/13/2012  6:31 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:JVG made him address it by constantly embarrassing him
I think Stern might be gunning for Jeff if he ever goes back to the bench. Jeff certainly has taken advantage of being able to speak his mind without being fined by Stern.
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5/13/2012  7:10 PM
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mrKnickShot wrote:JVG made him address it by constantly embarrassing him
I think Stern might be gunning for Jeff if he ever goes back to the bench. Jeff certainly has taken advantage of being able to speak his mind without being fined by Stern.

The Van Gundys hate the Establishment and always spoke/speak their minds (which is so damn refreshing). Stern does not like either of them WHICH MAKES ME LOVE THEM EVEN MORE!

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5/13/2012  7:56 PM
Explain this to me. Stern says flopping should stop and that he worries about having to hand "Oscars instead of MVP trophies", yet his office names NBA Flopping Superstar Lebron James the MVP. What kind of message are you sending, Stern? No mention of flopping while the Knicks were getting distroyed by Miami in the early games in part because of it. BS, Stern! BS!

I guess its a good sign that he is talking about it, but still not even the slightest sign of doing something, especially with the playoffs underway.

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5/13/2012  11:11 PM
Showing concern is nothing. Do something about it!
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5/13/2012  11:41 PM
Flopping should not stop action. It needs to be a non call.

At that moment the defense puts itself at a disadvantage..

Ref then "cards" a player when action stops and:

either that player has to sit out 2 minutes, or is issued a warning. If another issued the player is then ejected for two minutes.

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5/14/2012  8:31 AM
Nalod wrote:
Flopping should not stop action. It needs to be a non call.

At that moment the defense puts itself at a disadvantage..

Ref then "cards" a player when action stops and:

either that player has to sit out 2 minutes, or is issued a warning. If another issued the player is then ejected for two minutes.


It's often too hard to tell whether it was a flop or legitimate even in replays let alone at the moment it occurred
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5/14/2012  10:03 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Flopping should not stop action. It needs to be a non call.

At that moment the defense puts itself at a disadvantage..

Ref then "cards" a player when action stops and:

either that player has to sit out 2 minutes, or is issued a warning. If another issued the player is then ejected for two minutes.


It's often too hard to tell whether it was a flop or legitimate even in replays let alone at the moment it occurred

Had JVG offered a way to police it?

Its one thing to say it sucks, but another to offer a practical solution.

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5/14/2012  10:55 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Flopping should not stop action. It needs to be a non call.

At that moment the defense puts itself at a disadvantage..

Ref then "cards" a player when action stops and:

either that player has to sit out 2 minutes, or is issued a warning. If another issued the player is then ejected for two minutes.


It's often too hard to tell whether it was a flop or legitimate even in replays let alone at the moment it occurred

This is a good point. It would be very difficult for the on court refs to make the call when it happens. More likely it should be an afterwards review thing where if you are an excessive flopper, you end up missing games, sort of like the 17 Ts thing, but with a penalty well before 17.

Flopping harms the game because it can be used (as it so often is by the Heat) to control momentum.

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5/14/2012  10:59 AM
Moonangie wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
Flopping should not stop action. It needs to be a non call.

At that moment the defense puts itself at a disadvantage..

Ref then "cards" a player when action stops and:

either that player has to sit out 2 minutes, or is issued a warning. If another issued the player is then ejected for two minutes.


It's often too hard to tell whether it was a flop or legitimate even in replays let alone at the moment it occurred

This is a good point. It would be very difficult for the on court refs to make the call when it happens. More likely it should be an afterwards review thing where if you are an excessive flopper, you end up missing games, sort of like the 17 Ts thing, but with a penalty well before 17.

Flopping harms the game because it can be used (as it so often is by the Heat) to control momentum.

I think JVG offered something like assessing technicals upon review after game.

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5/14/2012  11:00 AM
It is very hard to know what's a flop during live action. But it's often pretty clear upon video review. I'd be for a rule that allows refs to flag a potential flop for review -- and then conduct the review during the next time out (like determining a 2 vs. 3). Then, if it's determined it was an obvious flop, the player gets a T. If the obvious flop led to an erroneous foul call, the the PF and TF are taken away from the player and team. I wouldn't go much further in undoing what happened as a result (trying to right changes of possession or determine whether a team would have scored if not for the flop). I'd also include the flop T's in the player's total tally, so the eggregious floppers would end up sitting out games.

There probably are other ways to police this, but I agree with the general tenor of this thread -- that it's a problem that is huring the game. And I don't think it's impossible to do something about it. Soccer does.

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5/15/2012  9:02 PM
i like this quote:

"There's a difference (between taking a charge and flopping). We all know what flopping is when we see it," Bryant said. "The stuff that you see is where guys aren't really getting hit at all and are just flailing around like a fish out of water. That's kind of like, where are your balls at?"

He should have ended that with: where are your balls at Bosh, LeBron, Blake?

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5/16/2012  12:00 AM
I disagree. The problem in the NBA is not too much flopping. The problem is not enough flopping. Too many players have failed to develop all aspects of the game - you know, shooting, dribbling, defending, and flopping. I blame the high school coaches for not empasizing flopping enough. By the time the players get to college, it's almost too late, unless the players work really really hard.

Look at some of our great Hall-of-fame players. Players like John Stockton, who personified the flop. If it is good enough for John Stockton, by god it is good enough for our players. They should learn how to flop properly. It is part of the game.

Kudos to LeBron et. al., for bringing the manly art of flopping back to the NBA.

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