They got:
In exchange Memphis will receive forward Kwame Brown, guard Javaris Crittenton, guard Aaron McKie (who the Lakers signed earlier today), the draft rights to Marc Gasol and first round picks in 2008 and 2010.

Basically two first round picks, Marc Gasol and the cap space to get Zach Randolph. Zdumb looks real good next to Marc Gasol.

Franchise on the rise. Two years in the playoffs.

Knicksfan wrote:Of course this has nothing to do with the present Knicks. We know where the franchise is headed.

The parallel is moves made can take a few years to work itself out.

Knick fans judge everything in hindsight. Players past and coaches past achievements are extrapolated forward as if it is a given.

We seem to "deserve" a better team and while we refuse to rebuild because fans won't have it is in fact what we do anyway. The only difference is we seem to attempt to get an in prime "star" who really is flawed for one reason or another.

H20 was a great guy, but did not rise to be a franchise talent.

Spree was not a franchise type person.

Dice was damaged.

Marbury

Melo

All supertalented players but we over pay and leave the supporting cast needing parts.

"Fill out the roster" is not that easy.

There are rising teams that are building good rosters while Miami and Chicago are not dropping anytime soon.

Our window is very brief and we are a long way off still from contending.s

It has everything to do with the knicks.

franco12 wrote:we're 1 and 8 in two years of play offs. How on earth is that a franchise on the rise?

We have two stars that occupy two thirds of our cap, and we have no proof that the two of them can play together.

We have third player (Chandler) who occupies half of the remaining third, and we're not sure he and Stat can effectively co-exist.

We're on the rise, but only in relation to being a sorry, pathetic, over paid last place team.

But I'm having a hard time seeing how this group can really take it to the next level.

Watching the CLippers and Grizz game was fun to see the energy of Memphis at home holding on.

Good energy with both teams and with good futures.

Sure the Clips and Grizz have sucked for years. So have we.

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:
They screamed when the Lakes made this deal, but it set memphis up nice.

They got:
In exchange Memphis will receive forward Kwame Brown, guard Javaris Crittenton, guard Aaron McKie (who the Lakers signed earlier today), the draft rights to Marc Gasol and first round picks in 2008 and 2010.

Basically two first round picks, Marc Gasol and the cap space to get Zach Randolph. Zdumb looks real good next to Marc Gasol.

Franchise on the rise. Two years in the playoffs.

Lakers won two Championships and lost 1 since that trade..That's 3 finals appearances since 2007..

There are "Win-Win" trades!

I always hoped Denver and Knicks deal will conclude similar. My point it Memphis had to dump its star and diversify its money in other areas. They got a young core together. Second year in playoffs, or If not they got close last year.

Small market team has to win to make money and they are the only game in town.

Lakers got a hell of a player in Pau and got some bling. By drafting Marc whome they did not need at the time they had a big asset to trade. Thats how the lakers get richer.

They did the right thing by drafting Marc and trading him for a championship piece at the right time.

My point was Memphis looked stupid at the time.

Minny looked stupid drafting Rubio at the time.

Knick fans wonder how we can also get so lucky.

Patience.

Denver got good value for Melo but its the small moves that can pay off. They are rebuilding and still made the playoffs twice post Melo. I admire the job they did handling moving Melo. Also by moving Nene as they did after they felt they made a mistake. I don't know how McGee pans out but it could be good for both. At the same time Nene brings a veteran presence to the Wiz they so need.

Win-Win.

Its not always about who gets the better player(s) but what a team needs in return.

Melo and Tyson are great additions for our team conceptually and I hope like all we can win on the court and not just on paper.

Jmpasq wrote:Unfortunately when the knicks were bad we were never fortunate enough to have the ping pong balls go their way. I mean the bulls got gifted derrick Rose. Lets not act like they had this great plan

Oh, we talking bulls?

When the knicks were bad we had traded our picks away and when you do that your suppose to get better and have less ping pong balls. Only the knicks get worse!

Im not smacking down the bulls. IM not smacking down teams whose records are better than ours.

This thread is to pay some respect to teams that have turned their fortunes around and recognize some decisions need time to pan out.

JamesLin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:Of course this has nothing to do with the present Knicks. We know where the franchise is headed.

The parallel is moves made can take a few years to work itself out.

Knick fans judge everything in hindsight. Players past and coaches past achievements are extrapolated forward as if it is a given.

We seem to "deserve" a better team and while we refuse to rebuild because fans won't have it is in fact what we do anyway. The only difference is we seem to attempt to get an in prime "star" who really is flawed for one reason or another.

H20 was a great guy, but did not rise to be a franchise talent.

Spree was not a franchise type person.

Dice was damaged.

Marbury

Melo

All supertalented players but we over pay and leave the supporting cast needing parts.

"Fill out the roster" is not that easy.

There are rising teams that are building good rosters while Miami and Chicago are not dropping anytime soon.

Our window is very brief and we are a long way off still from contending.s

It has everything to do with the knicks.

I judge everything in years. H20 was a mistake. I thought so early, and still think so now. Spree was a franchise type person, the only thing got in the way was his temper. He played 4 positions for the Knicks for crying out loud. What player in the world sacrifice themselves for that? Especially for our lowly Knicks. We deserve a better owner. PERIOD. Dice was always damaged, just like numerous other overpaid withering ex-superstars Jim Dolan hired, year after year, and I'm sooo tired of that. We finally got a great core newbie starters to build around Amar'e and guess who decided to throw all that away? Jim Dolan is the one judging everythign in hindsight. Fill out the roster? Hell, tell that to Jim Dolan. He has absolutely no clue. Doesn't matter what us fans say, some of us are on boat with him, and some of us aren't.. but doesn't matter who we think, it's only up to Jim Dolan and everything we think doesn't matter because Jim Dolan will do the opposite, and so us fans can only talk about what's in front of us now. There's no building for the future for the Knicks, you understand that right? Jim Dolan guaranteed that will never happen as years and years he did the same thing.

Dolan is right in his own ways - he want this club to make money for him, not win the chips.
And the club is making money and is entertaining for the crowd not for the diehard bbal fans.
They are few and in between and they will not make a lot profits for MSG. The celebs and tourist will.
There is no way to make money on Hockey this way (and 10+ years Dolan's Rangers suck proved it even for stabborn idiot he is) so he left them alone to be...gerat for years to come.

Nalod wrote: He scared children.

You say that like it's a bad thing.