smart money is on woodson being shown the door, and JR and novak finding greener pastures on the Open Market.

this team is Lin, Shump, Melo, STAT, and Tyson, with at least Fields and JORTS on the bench. if jeffries goes to dusseldorf and the kobe-knee treatment, maybe he comes back as well. toney douglas is allegedly still on the knicks. i don't know if baron and bibby are gone, but both are washed up. add in a few minimum contract flyers (like novak was and and jeremy lin was and shawne williams was before that) and a 2nd round pick as well (like landry was and harrellson was).

i would be surprised if that wasn't the composition of the roster next season.

no idea who's going to coach this group, but i don't think it'll be the Zen Master. it could be Woody; depends on what dolan thinks and who knows what that guy is thinking -- he's the one who traded 5 guys for a rich man's al harrington.

but yes, the roster is poorly constructed.

JamesKPolk wrote:Haha you went too far with the rich man's Al Harrington line.

but yes, the roster is poorly constructed.

I don't think so, I seem to remember using that line myself to describe Melo.

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:Shumpert will never be the same after surgery. It's going to be some three years before he becomes a decent player again.

what in gods name are you basing that on? ALC is a 10 month surgery/rehab with 100% recovery

This ain't Tommy John Surgery. Your talking about the Knees here there never is 100% recovery from an ACL surgery. It's 10 months for recovery to resume playing but to be effective again will take a long time for Shump. The explosion will not be there the lateral movement that he once had will be lost. It's sad to see this but unfortunately recovery from ACL takes a longer time than just 10 months. It's a process of recovery that is truly measured in years look up all players who had ACL and see how their recovery went.

We could do this all day.

Why do people make **** up?

fishmike wrote:Bernard King (practically pre modern medicine) was an all star AFTER the ACL
Al Harrington had it very early in w/ the Pacers
Bonzi Wells had it done
Jamal Crawford had his done w/ the Bulls
Baron Davis had his done
Ron Harper
Remember Jamal Lewis from the Ravens?
2000 Baltimore Ravens 16 309 1,364 4.4 6
2002 Baltimore Ravens 16 308 1,327 4.3 6
Those are his stats. If you notice 2001 is missing its because he sat with a knee injury (torn ALC). He had 5 1000 rushing yard seasons AFTER the surgery.

We could do this all day.

Why do people make **** up?

Give me basketball, not football. Willis Mcghaee torr all his ligaments in his leg and came back to 1000 yards. But Livingston has come back to a high form on a basketball court. Danny Manning was a shell of himself in the NBA.

I gave you examples. Jamal Crawford tore his ACL 20 something games into his sophmore season. The following season he played 80 games, averaged 25 minutes at had his best year as a pro. The following year he played another 80 games and went from 11ppg to 17ppg.

We could do this all day.

Danny Manning and Livinston are terrible examples because the did NOT HAVE THE SAME INJURY OR SURGERY.

fishmike wrote:Danny Manning and Livinston did NOT have ACL reconstructs. They had their whole knees done.

I gave you examples. Jamal Crawford tore his ACL 20 something games into his sophmore season. The following season he played 80 games, averaged 25 minutes at had his best year as a pro. The following year he played another 80 games and went from 11ppg to 17ppg.

We could do this all day.

Danny Manning and Livinston are terrible examples because the did NOT HAVE THE SAME INJURY OR SURGERY.

I hope your right Fish. I like Shump a lot I think he has so much potential to be a great player, I think this injury will take longer to recover from than 10 months. it's going to be a much loner process to get Shump back to 100%.

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:Danny Manning and Livinston did NOT have ACL reconstructs. They had their whole knees done.

I gave you examples. Jamal Crawford tore his ACL 20 something games into his sophmore season. The following season he played 80 games, averaged 25 minutes at had his best year as a pro. The following year he played another 80 games and went from 11ppg to 17ppg.

We could do this all day.

Danny Manning and Livinston are terrible examples because the did NOT HAVE THE SAME INJURY OR SURGERY.

I hope your right Fish. I like Shump a lot I think he has so much potential to be a great player, I think this injury will take longer to recover from than 10 months. it's going to be a much loner process to get Shump back to 100%.

80,000 people tear their ALC each year. My kid cousin got her done cheerleading. Just dont rush them back. It needs 10 months. Shump will be 100% by next March. Not ideal, but better than nothing.

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:Danny Manning and Livinston did NOT have ACL reconstructs. They had their whole knees done.

I gave you examples. Jamal Crawford tore his ACL 20 something games into his sophmore season. The following season he played 80 games, averaged 25 minutes at had his best year as a pro. The following year he played another 80 games and went from 11ppg to 17ppg.

We could do this all day.

Danny Manning and Livinston are terrible examples because the did NOT HAVE THE SAME INJURY OR SURGERY.

I hope your right Fish. I like Shump a lot I think he has so much potential to be a great player, I think this injury will take longer to recover from than 10 months. it's going to be a much loner process to get Shump back to 100%.

it wont be. I know what I know. Do your research mate... the guys who didnt come back from ACL surgery fall into one of two catagories:
1) they were old and had dimishing athleticism
2) more than just the ACL was injured.

80,000 people tear their ALC each year. My kid cousin got her done cheerleading. Just dont rush them back. It needs 10 months. Shump will be 100% by next March. Not ideal, but better than nothing.

I agree with you on the Youth factor. I did do my research and Defensively which is Shumps calling card will suffer when he gets back that is the area where the knee factor comes to play the most lateral movement. But like I said he will play in 10 months but full recovery or almost full recovery will be year after next.

fishmike wrote:

y2zipper wrote:Fish is right here. Knee injuries can be a huge problem, but that's only if you tear everything like Livingston did. I had a buddy who tore his ACL about three years and successfully rehabbed it without surgery. Shumpert will be back and 100% healthy by January.

Jan might be early... but it also depends on the nature of the tear and the fix. Partial tears fix faster, but whole tear heal better. I would prefer to see it replaced and him sit for 10 months... he will never tear it again

I could actually see that for a pro athlete. With a regular person thats a last resort, but if the goal is preventing it then I'd buy that. It makes sense.