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Not Melo's fault, Not Amare's fault, Not Woodys fault, Not MDAs fault...
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5/1/2012  3:55 PM
This article by Israel G on ESPN sums it up best. We have all of next season to figure this out but I doubt the Melo/Amear/Chandler frontcourt will ever make sense from an offensive perspective.

MIAMI -- Amare Stoudemire tried to slink out of AmericanAirlines Arena unnoticed, head covered in a black hooded sweatshirt, left arm in a sling, nothing but arena security standing between him and the solitude of a seat on the New York Knicks' team bus.

Behind Stoudemire, though, were a mob of media and a handful of curious arena workers wanting badly to see or speak to the man who was so frustrated with a Game 2 loss to the Miami Heat that he busted open his left hand punching a fire extinguisher cover, putting into question his availability for the next game and the rest of the series.

If Stoudemire drew a fraction of that attention from his teammates just an hour or two earlier, it never would've come to this.

If Stoudemire were a primary contributor for the Knicks rather than an afterthought once Carmelo Anthony completed his isolation dance, Stoudemire's hand wouldn't be held together by stitches and his New York team wouldn't be seemingly bursting at its seams.

Even though the Knicks got 23 points closer to their first playoff victory since 2001 than they did two days earlier, the evidence on the floor remained just as damning.

This Anthony-Stoudemire pairing just doesn't work.

While that's hardly astonishing news to those who've watched the two play together for segments of the past two seasons, the fact is the Knicks should've seen this coming.

And they could've done something about it.

Instead, the team's front office, without Donnie Walsh in the fold to truly run the show, again showed a shortsightedness that has haunted it since back in the days when playoff wins were expected, not extinct.

The Knicks could have, and should have, used the amnesty clause this past December on Stoudemire, not Chauncey Billups.

The Knicks should've realized that the acquisition of Anthony changed the entire game plan that started with the signing of Amare in the summer of 2010, and used the Get Out of Jail Free card the new collective bargaining agreement granted them to rid themselves of the most undesirable contract in the NBA.

Instead, the Knicks stared at a team featuring Anthony, Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler, and coached by Mike D'Antoni and his guard-driven offense and said, "This ... this is going to win us a championship very soon."

It's easy to understand why fans and media alike -- otherwise known as people who aren't paid to make long-term basketball decisions for an NBA franchise -- thought this Knicks team would make the jump to Eastern elite status and possibly challenge the Bulls and Heat for a trip to the NBA Finals.

The Knicks had names. They had recognizable names, were coached by a recognizable name and were going to be better defensively because of the presence of Chandler.

But how is it possible for the Knicks' front office to look at what it had in place before the season started and not see that it was ill fitting and doomed for this sort of ending?

They had a coach who needed a point guard and didn't have a quality one until Jeremy Lin fell into their laps -- and that didn't even last long enough to save D'Antoni.

They had one of the game's best scorers -- if not the best scorer -- playing right next to a power forward who enjoys scoring quite a bit himself.

And they were about to sign a defensive presence in the middle that would make them both look better, but wouldn't exactly leave much room for Stoudemire to operate the way he did either in Phoenix or in his first year in New York, when he was a serious MVP candidate through the first quarter of the season.

But rather than rid themselves of Stoudemire and look past this season, the Knicks went with the immediate-satisfaction route. The route that would sell tickets and help owner James Dolan deal with that $850 million Madison Square Garden renovation.

They used the amnesty clause on Billups, who had one year left on his deal, and decided that this would be the group that not only would compete this season, but for the next several seasons, because the restrictive CBA and Stoudemire's albatross of an uninsured contract would force them to do so.

No, it wouldn't have been the wisest public relations move to kick Amare to the curb just one offseason after New York fans fell in love with him.

But it wouldn't have been that difficult to convince those fans that Carmelo is a game changer. A plan changer. And that building around Carmelo meant Stoudemire just didn't fit anymore.

It would be even easier just by mentioning the name Deron Williams (remember, this is when D'Antoni was still the coach) as a potential 2012 signee, with enough salary cap space to sign another quality player as well. Even the backup plan could've included signing Steve Nash and spending the rest of its money on building a true team.

That would've made a lot more sense, and the only cost would've been a spurned Stoudemire and one more season with playoff hopes but no championship hopes.

That sales job would've been a lot less complicated than the one the Knicks have ahead of them now.

When this series is over -- and the only real mystery left is whether the Knicks will end their drought and win a single playoff game -- the Knicks will have to convince anyone listening that this core group can be anything more than what it was this season.

The Knicks will be about as flexible as Carmelo's offensive approach when it comes to offseason maneuvering. So the improvement can't be that significant.

Yes, the team can hope to have an improved, and recovered, Iman Shumpert and re-sign Lin and hope that Landry Fields' regression isn't permanent.

But overall, it's this big three or bust.

And based on Stoudemire's actions, it might already be bust.

This isn't an indictment of Anthony, by any means.

He's one of the few unstoppable scorers in the league, and when he's the primary option offensively, he'll engage defensively. He has done it since Mike Woodson took over, despite spending much of his time playing out of position.

"I don't know how many times in his career where we've said, 'Great defense. But he's killing us,'" Heat coach Erik Spoelstra said after Anthony scored 30 points, 15 in the first quarter, in Game 2.

But if you're going to build around Anthony, you take advantage of who he is. You don't pair him with a score-first power forward whose athleticism and effort seem to magically leave him when he's not getting touches offensively.

The Knicks could've even built around Stoudemire, kept Raymond Felton, Wilson Chandler, Danilo Gallinari, Anthony Randolph and Timofey Mozgov, and even that team would've made more sense than this one (and the rumors in New York were that Dolan brokered that deal against the advice of Walsh, and that's why Walsh left this past offseason).

Instead, the Knicks get a bloody hand and an apologetic tweet from a player who's supposed to be a stabilizing force.

Without much to look forward to, either.

Now, the Knicks could still find the tiniest of cracks to create an escape route.

As much as Stoudemire's contract is deemed untradeable because it has three years and roughly $65 million left on it, and Stoudemire is widely considered damaged goods because of previous knee injuries and a current back ailment, there really isn't such a thing as an unmovable player in the NBA.

All you need to remember is Gilbert Arenas was traded to know that anyone can be.

So there might be a team this summer desperate enough to relieve the Knicks of Stoudemire and allow them to build a more Carmelo-friendly group.

But it's a lot more likely the Knicks will spend the offseason kicking themselves for not choosing the amnesty route with Stoudemire.

"He's one of the keys on this team," Anthony said. "We need him. I need him out there. I need him playing his game. I need him fighting with me."

Stoudemire fought an inanimate object instead. And lost.

There might not be a clearer sign that this marriage should've been annulled back when the team had the chance.

I know it's spilled milk but imagine

Billups
Shump
Melo
X
Chandler

as the core this year with Fields, Novak, Jefferies, Jorts.

We'd have the best scorer in the game in Melo, the best defensive center outside of Dwight Howard and massive cap space from Amare amnesty and Billups coming off the books to retire in Denver to fill in the blanks.

Then again with Billups healthy and BDiddy maybe we never go after Lin. Billups and Bdiddy both go down and we're pissing and moaning about why we didn't amnesty Billups instead of Stat.

Is this franchise just cursed until Dolan dies or something?

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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JrZyHuStLa
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5/1/2012  3:56 PM
I think we've had "next year" to figure it out for 30 years now.
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5/1/2012  4:04 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:I think we've had "next year" to figure it out for 30 years now.

True. But that's the case for every franchise other than Houston, LA, San Antonio and the Pistons. Outside of them only Miami and Dallas have won in the last 20 years.

Let's try to elevate the level of discourse in this byeetch. Please
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5/1/2012  4:05 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:I think we've had "next year" to figure it out for 30 years now.

closing in on 40...

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5/1/2012  4:05 PM
We have to start winning soon because these guys arent getting younger. melo is still reasonably young but he went through injuries this ear. amare we have seen is starting to brea down. I love tyson but he is pushing 30. Lin will come back stronger and hopefully shump will be back sooner than later but we need to win within the next two years i would think
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5/1/2012  4:26 PM
Wow!! We should have used the Amnesty on Amare!!!

I can't believe nobody thought of that

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5/1/2012  4:34 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:Wow!! We should have used the Amnesty on Amare!!!

I can't believe nobody thought of that

i agree but then we wouldn't have tyson so its one of those things that we took a gamble on. I never thought Amare would go from a MVP candidate to a waste of space in one year
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5/1/2012  4:46 PM
IrishKnickFan wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Wow!! We should have used the Amnesty on Amare!!!

I can't believe nobody thought of that

i agree but then we wouldn't have tyson so its one of those things that we took a gamble on. I never thought Amare would go from a MVP candidate to a waste of space in one year

Yes. We took a gamble and probably lost.

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5/1/2012  5:16 PM
Shouldn't of made the trade if you planned on keeping MDA, and Amere. Walsh knew it wouldn't work, MDA knew it wouldn't work, even I knew it wouldn't work, but our retarded owner, who hasn't been the best decision maker in the world and who's best friend is I. Thomas, just knew that THIS was going to work. This team will never win anything until he's gone. FIRE DOLAN, and watch the magic happen!!!!!
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5/1/2012  5:24 PM
This team has a whole off season to figure out how to win 1 game in the playoffs.
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5/1/2012  5:53 PM
We should of used the amnesty on Amare because im sure Dolan would be thrilled giving Amare 100 million for 1 season in NY. U still have to pay the player. U just dont have the cap hit
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5/1/2012  6:03 PM
Jmpasq wrote:We should of used the amnesty on Amare because im sure Dolan would be thrilled giving Amare 100 million for 1 season in NY. U still have to pay the player. U just dont have the cap hit

For real? Dang

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5/1/2012  7:51 PM
Swapping Melo with Lebron or Kevin Durant isnt going to turn Amare into a rebounder or defender.
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5/1/2012  7:56 PM
AnubisADL wrote:Swapping Melo with Lebron or Kevin Durant isnt going to turn Amare into a rebounder or defender.

How about swapping Davis and Amare for Westbrook and Ibaka? I would settle for Westbrook and Collison.

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5/1/2012  8:06 PM
IrishKnickFan wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Wow!! We should have used the Amnesty on Amare!!!

I can't believe nobody thought of that

i agree but then we wouldn't have tyson so its one of those things that we took a gamble on. I never thought Amare would go from a MVP candidate to a waste of space in one year

Why do people keep saying this? If we had amnestied Amar'e instead of Billups we could have signed Tyson plus at least another decent player. Billups would have expired after two more games and we would have clear of both contracts.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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5/1/2012  8:14 PM
loweyecue wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Wow!! We should have used the Amnesty on Amare!!!

I can't believe nobody thought of that

i agree but then we wouldn't have tyson so its one of those things that we took a gamble on. I never thought Amare would go from a MVP candidate to a waste of space in one year

Why do people keep saying this? If we had amnestied Amar'e instead of Billups we could have signed Tyson plus at least another decent player. Billups would have expired after two more games and we would have clear of both contracts.

Thats a good take but daring. Don't think the knicks had the balls to do that last year. It probably was more of an argument for this year.

That being said, was Tyson worth it? Tough call since they are now stuck in a big way.

Also, Tyson came along with having TD be our starter so we were not really going anywhere with him. Lin was an unexpected gift.

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5/1/2012  8:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/1/2012  8:24 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Wow!! We should have used the Amnesty on Amare!!!

I can't believe nobody thought of that

i agree but then we wouldn't have tyson so its one of those things that we took a gamble on. I never thought Amare would go from a MVP candidate to a waste of space in one year

Why do people keep saying this? If we had amnestied Amar'e instead of Billups we could have signed Tyson plus at least another decent player. Billups would have expired after two more games and we would have clear of both contracts.

Thats a good take but daring. Don't think the knicks had the balls to do that last year. It probably was more of an argument for this year.

That being said, was Tyson worth it? Tough call since they are now stuck in a big way.

Also, Tyson came along with having TD be our starter so we were not really going anywhere with him. Lin was an unexpected gift.

If we had cut Amare we would have had space for another 7-8Mil player - We could have turned Amare into Tyson plus Scola/Battier type. Is Tyson worth it? is that a serious question - Effing DPOY???. There were people on the board who said we should have amnestied Amar'e right away. But Dolan would have to pay 20 Mil over the cap for the next three years in oreder to do that and make use of the freed up cap space. I doubt even Dolan would be willing to cough up that type of money.

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5/1/2012  8:24 PM
Jmpasq wrote:We should of used the amnesty on Amare because im sure Dolan would be thrilled giving Amare 100 million for 1 season in NY. U still have to pay the player. U just dont have the cap hit

Wow nice job! After all the talk of using the amnesty on Amare all year. Not one person brought up paying the guy $100mil for 1 season lol

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5/1/2012  8:27 PM
loweyecue wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Wow!! We should have used the Amnesty on Amare!!!

I can't believe nobody thought of that

i agree but then we wouldn't have tyson so its one of those things that we took a gamble on. I never thought Amare would go from a MVP candidate to a waste of space in one year

Why do people keep saying this? If we had amnestied Amar'e instead of Billups we could have signed Tyson plus at least another decent player. Billups would have expired after two more games and we would have clear of both contracts.

Thats a good take but daring. Don't think the knicks had the balls to do that last year. It probably was more of an argument for this year.

That being said, was Tyson worth it? Tough call since they are now stuck in a big way.

Also, Tyson came along with having TD be our starter so we were not really going anywhere with him. Lin was an unexpected gift.

If we had cut Amare we would have had space for another 7-8Mil player - We could have turned Amare into Tyson plus Scola/Battier type. Is Tyson worth it? is that a serious question - W/o Tyson anchoring the defensive we would be 30 win (max) team irrespective of who coached us. There were people on the board who said we should have amnestied Amar'e right away. But Dolan would have to pay 20 Mil over the cap for the next three years in oreder to do that and make use of the freed up cap space. I doubt even Dolan would be willing to cough up that type of money.

Well of course he is worth it but at what cost?

Lets forget about Amnestying amare last year (I would have loved that) and say that it could not be done for the sake of argument. If we could only do it this year, knowing what we know today, would we have signed Chandler and wasted our amnesty on Billups?

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5/1/2012  8:28 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:We should of used the amnesty on Amare because im sure Dolan would be thrilled giving Amare 100 million for 1 season in NY. U still have to pay the player. U just dont have the cap hit

Wow nice job! After all the talk of using the amnesty on Amare all year. Not one person brought up paying the guy $100mil for 1 season lol

for 2 seasons and it's Dolans money. He has spent far far more when we were over the cap to the moon.

Not Melo's fault, Not Amare's fault, Not Woodys fault, Not MDAs fault...

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