loweyecue wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

But still, this game was lost by New York, who now really believe they can't win and are going through the motions because they do look like they've given up. Their defensive intensity is nowhere near how it was weeks ago. The offense is a mess. Woodson is showing he isn't the guy to take this team where they supposedly want to be.

Yes the body language was bad. I think the team sensed that Melo had given up after being clobbered and mauled by the Heat and not getting any calls. And once the others saw that they knew it was over.

We will probably make a stand and win one game but the series is all but over.

How do you keep going playing the minutes he played and getting pushed out of bounds under cut by two defenders, intentionally fouled at the end of the half, undercut while in the air, and raked over the arms every time you go strong without a call. Smith getting shoved by Wade for nothing, Novak getting held for nothing and etc. This is ridiculous and I am not the one to usually talk about the refs but when you barely breath on the other team and they get whistles what can you do.

Also add the dunk over Joel where Joel shoved Melo without the call. But it is what it is. Let's talk about the bad O.

Clean wrote:Woody said teams are not leaving Novak open. Just because your players don't see that he is open does not mean he is not open.

Does it matter when Novak gets scared to shoot when someone closes out hard. I love Novak but sometimes he gets a little scared when he has one of the quickest releases in the league. Also, Ny's big need to learn how to set a proper screen or the shooters need to learn how to wait and run the defender into the screen.

yellowboy90 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

But still, this game was lost by New York, who now really believe they can't win and are going through the motions because they do look like they've given up. Their defensive intensity is nowhere near how it was weeks ago. The offense is a mess. Woodson is showing he isn't the guy to take this team where they supposedly want to be.

Yes the body language was bad. I think the team sensed that Melo had given up after being clobbered and mauled by the Heat and not getting any calls. And once the others saw that they knew it was over.

We will probably make a stand and win one game but the series is all but over.

How do you keep going playing the minutes he played and getting pushed out of bounds under cut by two defenders, intentionally fouled at the end of the half, undercut while in the air, and raked over the arms every time you go strong without a call. Smith getting shoved by Wade for nothing, Novak getting held for nothing and etc. This is ridiculous and I am not the one to usually talk about the refs but when you barely breath on the other team and they get whistles what can you do.

Also add the dunk over Joel where Joel shoved Melo without the call. But it is what it is. Let's talk about the bad O.

yep. you nailed it.

i don't think people ever acknowledge what momentum killers those sort of bad calls are. and just demoralizing, too.

the knicks are getting absolutely jobbed by the refs in this series. you can say they gotta play through it, but they are not the better team here and these sorts of foul calls add up to just completely take away their chances.

yellowboy90 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

But still, this game was lost by New York, who now really believe they can't win and are going through the motions because they do look like they've given up. Their defensive intensity is nowhere near how it was weeks ago. The offense is a mess. Woodson is showing he isn't the guy to take this team where they supposedly want to be.

Yes the body language was bad. I think the team sensed that Melo had given up after being clobbered and mauled by the Heat and not getting any calls. And once the others saw that they knew it was over.

We will probably make a stand and win one game but the series is all but over.

How do you keep going playing the minutes he played and getting pushed out of bounds under cut by two defenders, intentionally fouled at the end of the half, undercut while in the air, and raked over the arms every time you go strong without a call. Smith getting shoved by Wade for nothing, Novak getting held for nothing and etc. This is ridiculous and I am not the one to usually talk about the refs but when you barely breath on the other team and they get whistles what can you do.

Also add the dunk over Joel where Joel shoved Melo without the call. But it is what it is. Let's talk about the bad O.

I am not blaming anyone but also recognizing that you have to work through all of that to beat the Heat. I think the refereeing was better than the last game but still nowhere near being fairly called. And yes we played bad offense in Q3 and Q4, whether people are ready to admit it or not. I don't blame Melo for being frustrated with the beating but the rest of team had nothing going. Woodson should work on making sure we go to Tyson for something like 25% of our possessions. Also need to FIND Novak he was WIDE open. As bad as STAT was, he wasn't being set up by our PGs, for a coach who wants to focus ALL his offense through two guys that's beyond lane, it's pathetic. I also think our Defense was really bad on stretches. This was a game we had to win and we came up short - That's where STAT is putrid and little Woody could have done about it w/ Shumpert out and JJ hurt.

MS wrote:I think it's very clear, that Knick fans have become losers. Loser that make accuses for this pathetic organization. We rebuilt for four years to win 1 ****ing playoff game? And I was being generous. As fun as it watching Melo isolate every possession, Woodson not running any plays, Amare not boxing out and giving Bibby more minutes then fields, this team has no future or hope. we have question marks at three position and won't have a bench next season.

Just no sense of urgency at all out there. No fight

you think that is fun to watch?

Heat - 60 free throw attempts

Knicks - 30 free throw attempts

Anji wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:It isn't progress, Matt. The dust just hasn't settled to see the Knicks are just a corpse. Another year we are fooled by this team with another losing playoff run.

Im trough with this team. If this is our peak and this is the rigged NBA that we can expect, Im out.

the league is a joke when it comes to officiating.. WWF

we are not a smart team and we don't have a lot of talent.. not with lin and now shump out..

iso ball is not winning ball..

we could have kept the kids along with amare and still been a first round playoff victim, but we would have had our picks and cap space.. go figure..

The real joke is just about everybody and their mothers wants to trade Stat, but some people still want to cling to him as center piece with the Yooths still being a playoff team.

Yep injured Amare with fat boy Felton running the point (with Gallo out for 40% of the season and Mozzy warming the bench) would have attracted all of the 1 (deron wiliams) Super Stars that will had made it to Free agency before we had to resign those guys. But at least the cap space looks sooooooooo pretty!!!!!!!!

+10000000000000000000000000000000

Yes indeedy, and don't forget Wilson's stellar showing in the Chinese league that translated to being out until next year. Promise and POHTENSHULL and draft picks and cap space and waiting until next year and hoping for 30 wins!! that's when Knicks basketball was fun!

Hey tk, since you're "trough", here's a link for you:

http://nuggets.proboards.com/index.cgi

holfresh wrote:Fields on Wade is a joke

fields on the court is a joke too

Im not proud of this team, and I mean it like never before.