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MSG3
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4/11/2012  9:36 AM
From the looks of it he might be back for the stretch run. His pre game shootarounds look like he's ready to go. I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back for Washington Friday to be honest with you.

But when he does get back, I really think we need him off of the bench. Him and Melo were starting to build a chemistry together and he was beasting before he got hurt. But to try to keep him healthy and to bolster our bench I think it makes sense for him to be the 6th man. That way Melo can stay in his groove as well.

What do you guys think?

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4/11/2012  9:43 AM
MSG3 wrote:From the looks of it he might be back for the stretch run. His pre game shootarounds look like he's ready to go. I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back for Washington Friday to be honest with you.

But when he does get back, I really think we need him off of the bench. Him and Melo were starting to build a chemistry together and he was beasting before he got hurt. But to try to keep him healthy and to bolster our bench I think it makes sense for him to be the 6th man. That way Melo can stay in his groove as well.

What do you guys think?

I think it makes sense to ease him back, and off the bench is the best bet.

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4/11/2012  9:54 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/11/2012  9:56 AM
I really don't get this line of thinking...Melo needs massive help...We are getting killed on the boards..It doesn't matter if Melo plays the 4 because he is defended by the three on the other end...How does it help the Knicks if Amare comes off the bench??...I mean Kareem had to sit out the game 6 of the 1980 Championship against the Sixers..Magic played center scored 42 pts grabbed 15 boards..Did the coaches the following year say hey, let's bring Kareem off the bench..Er Noooo..
It's not we aren't struggling offensively..

I know brining Amare off the bench will never happen, just wondering what I'm missing??
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4/11/2012  9:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/11/2012  10:00 AM
holfresh wrote:I really don't get this line of thinking...Melo needs massive help...We are getting killed on the boards..It doesn't matter if Melo plays the 4 because he is defended by the three on the other end...How does it help the Knicks if Amare comes off the bench??...I mean Kareem had to sit out the game 6 of the 1980 Championship against the Sixers..Magic played center scored 42 pts grabbed 15 boards..Did the coaches the following year say hey, let's bring Kareem off the bench..Er Noooo..
It's not we aren't struggling offensively..

I know brining Amare off the bench will never happen, just wondering what I'm missing??

Stat will see enough minutes, you don't want to rush him back like how the Bulls did Rose and injure something else (sat out last night). The problem right now is in the 2nd unit, not first. The guy has a gimpy back, let's not make him play playoff basketball minutes yet.

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4/11/2012  10:14 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:I really don't get this line of thinking...Melo needs massive help...We are getting killed on the boards..It doesn't matter if Melo plays the 4 because he is defended by the three on the other end...How does it help the Knicks if Amare comes off the bench??...I mean Kareem had to sit out the game 6 of the 1980 Championship against the Sixers..Magic played center scored 42 pts grabbed 15 boards..Did the coaches the following year say hey, let's bring Kareem off the bench..Er Noooo..
It's not we aren't struggling offensively..

I know brining Amare off the bench will never happen, just wondering what I'm missing??

Stat will see enough minutes, you don't want to rush him back like how the Bulls did Rose and injure something else (sat out last night). The problem right now is in the 2nd unit, not first. The guy has a gimpy back, let's not make him play playoff basketball minutes yet.

It doesnt matter when u play, it's how long u play..Minutes off the bench isn't softer than starters minutes..

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4/11/2012  10:17 AM
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:I really don't get this line of thinking...Melo needs massive help...We are getting killed on the boards..It doesn't matter if Melo plays the 4 because he is defended by the three on the other end...How does it help the Knicks if Amare comes off the bench??...I mean Kareem had to sit out the game 6 of the 1980 Championship against the Sixers..Magic played center scored 42 pts grabbed 15 boards..Did the coaches the following year say hey, let's bring Kareem off the bench..Er Noooo..
It's not we aren't struggling offensively..

I know brining Amare off the bench will never happen, just wondering what I'm missing??

Stat will see enough minutes, you don't want to rush him back like how the Bulls did Rose and injure something else (sat out last night). The problem right now is in the 2nd unit, not first. The guy has a gimpy back, let's not make him play playoff basketball minutes yet.

It doesnt matter when u play, it's how long u play..Minutes off the bench isn't softer than starters minutes..

We outscored Chicago in the 1st and 3rd quarter, our starters are actually doing well. It's the bench that's been killing us. See Boston (Ray Allen 35 minutes off bench) on how to effectively fix this.

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4/11/2012  10:22 AM
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:I really don't get this line of thinking...Melo needs massive help...We are getting killed on the boards..It doesn't matter if Melo plays the 4 because he is defended by the three on the other end...How does it help the Knicks if Amare comes off the bench??...I mean Kareem had to sit out the game 6 of the 1980 Championship against the Sixers..Magic played center scored 42 pts grabbed 15 boards..Did the coaches the following year say hey, let's bring Kareem off the bench..Er Noooo..
It's not we aren't struggling offensively..

I know brining Amare off the bench will never happen, just wondering what I'm missing??

Stat will see enough minutes, you don't want to rush him back like how the Bulls did Rose and injure something else (sat out last night). The problem right now is in the 2nd unit, not first. The guy has a gimpy back, let's not make him play playoff basketball minutes yet.

It doesnt matter when u play, it's how long u play..Minutes off the bench isn't softer than starters minutes..

We outscored Chicago in the 1st and 3rd quarter, our starters are actually doing well. It's the bench that's been killing us. See Boston (Ray Allen 35 minutes off bench) on how to effectively fix this.

We are actually getting killed on the boards..The plan of action can't be counting on Melo doing it on his own game in and game out..We are putting a three guard lineup out there..It's hurting us..

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4/11/2012  10:27 AM
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:I really don't get this line of thinking...Melo needs massive help...We are getting killed on the boards..It doesn't matter if Melo plays the 4 because he is defended by the three on the other end...How does it help the Knicks if Amare comes off the bench??...I mean Kareem had to sit out the game 6 of the 1980 Championship against the Sixers..Magic played center scored 42 pts grabbed 15 boards..Did the coaches the following year say hey, let's bring Kareem off the bench..Er Noooo..
It's not we aren't struggling offensively..

I know brining Amare off the bench will never happen, just wondering what I'm missing??

Stat will see enough minutes, you don't want to rush him back like how the Bulls did Rose and injure something else (sat out last night). The problem right now is in the 2nd unit, not first. The guy has a gimpy back, let's not make him play playoff basketball minutes yet.

It doesnt matter when u play, it's how long u play..Minutes off the bench isn't softer than starters minutes..

We outscored Chicago in the 1st and 3rd quarter, our starters are actually doing well. It's the bench that's been killing us. See Boston (Ray Allen 35 minutes off bench) on how to effectively fix this.

We are actually getting killed on the boards..The plan of action can't be counting on Melo doing it on his own game in and game out..We are putting a three guard lineup out there..It's hurting us..

I hear you on the boards and rebounds. But we scored 10 points in the 2nd quarter yesterday!

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4/11/2012  10:32 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/11/2012  10:32 AM
holfresh wrote:I really don't get this line of thinking...Melo needs massive help...We are getting killed on the boards..It doesn't matter if Melo plays the 4 because he is defended by the three on the other end...How does it help the Knicks if Amare comes off the bench??...I mean Kareem had to sit out the game 6 of the 1980 Championship against the Sixers..Magic played center scored 42 pts grabbed 15 boards..Did the coaches the following year say hey, let's bring Kareem off the bench..Er Noooo..
It's not we aren't struggling offensively..

I know brining Amare off the bench will never happen, just wondering what I'm missing??

The floor is spread out much better when Melo plays PF even if the other team's SF is on him. I mean, you'd have to be blind to not notice how much better he's played as a PF than SF this year.
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4/11/2012  10:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/11/2012  10:33 AM
If anything STAT can feast on team's 2nd unit Power Forwards and Centers, building his stamina and confidence up for the playoffs.
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4/11/2012  11:10 AM
One thing about this team I don't like is our ability to be stubborn. STAT coming off the bench could be what makes this team work, but we will never know because we are to scared to try new things. We had to watch TD play PG for half the year because we were to stubborn to try Lin. Look how well Ray Allen coming off the bench is working for the Celtics.
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4/11/2012  11:12 AM
Clean wrote:One thing about this team I don't like is our ability to be stubborn. STAT coming off the bench could be what makes this team work, but we will never know because we are to scared to try new things. We had to watch TD play PG for half the year because we were to stubborn to try Lin. Look how well Ray Allen coming off the bench is working for the Celtics.
Speaking of the Celtics they went from from being an old collapsing team to the hottest team out there unreal
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4/11/2012  11:27 AM
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:I really don't get this line of thinking...Melo needs massive help...We are getting killed on the boards..It doesn't matter if Melo plays the 4 because he is defended by the three on the other end...How does it help the Knicks if Amare comes off the bench??...I mean Kareem had to sit out the game 6 of the 1980 Championship against the Sixers..Magic played center scored 42 pts grabbed 15 boards..Did the coaches the following year say hey, let's bring Kareem off the bench..Er Noooo..
It's not we aren't struggling offensively..

I know brining Amare off the bench will never happen, just wondering what I'm missing??

Stat will see enough minutes, you don't want to rush him back like how the Bulls did Rose and injure something else (sat out last night). The problem right now is in the 2nd unit, not first. The guy has a gimpy back, let's not make him play playoff basketball minutes yet.

It doesnt matter when u play, it's how long u play..Minutes off the bench isn't softer than starters minutes..

We outscored Chicago in the 1st and 3rd quarter, our starters are actually doing well. It's the bench that's been killing us. See Boston (Ray Allen 35 minutes off bench) on how to effectively fix this.

We are actually getting killed on the boards..The plan of action can't be counting on Melo doing it on his own game in and game out..We are putting a three guard lineup out there..It's hurting us..

Really hurt us last night. Melo had 2 boards. Not his fault. I don't think he is a full-time PF

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4/11/2012  11:50 AM
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Clean wrote:One thing about this team I don't like is our ability to be stubborn. STAT coming off the bench could be what makes this team work, but we will never know because we are to scared to try new things. We had to watch TD play PG for half the year because we were to stubborn to try Lin. Look how well Ray Allen coming off the bench is working for the Celtics.
Speaking of the Celtics they went from from being an old collapsing team to the hottest team out there unreal

The crazy part is that the Celtics are pretty much the same team with parts playing slightly different roles.

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4/11/2012  11:51 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:I really don't get this line of thinking...Melo needs massive help...We are getting killed on the boards..It doesn't matter if Melo plays the 4 because he is defended by the three on the other end...How does it help the Knicks if Amare comes off the bench??...I mean Kareem had to sit out the game 6 of the 1980 Championship against the Sixers..Magic played center scored 42 pts grabbed 15 boards..Did the coaches the following year say hey, let's bring Kareem off the bench..Er Noooo..
It's not we aren't struggling offensively..

I know brining Amare off the bench will never happen, just wondering what I'm missing??

Stat will see enough minutes, you don't want to rush him back like how the Bulls did Rose and injure something else (sat out last night). The problem right now is in the 2nd unit, not first. The guy has a gimpy back, let's not make him play playoff basketball minutes yet.

It doesnt matter when u play, it's how long u play..Minutes off the bench isn't softer than starters minutes..

We outscored Chicago in the 1st and 3rd quarter, our starters are actually doing well. It's the bench that's been killing us. See Boston (Ray Allen 35 minutes off bench) on how to effectively fix this.

We are actually getting killed on the boards..The plan of action can't be counting on Melo doing it on his own game in and game out..We are putting a three guard lineup out there..It's hurting us..

Really hurt us last night. Melo had 2 boards. Not his fault. I don't think he is a full-time PF


Not his fault? He had a very good game overall but even if you think he's an SF, he needs to get more than 2 boards.
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4/11/2012  12:12 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:I really don't get this line of thinking...Melo needs massive help...We are getting killed on the boards..It doesn't matter if Melo plays the 4 because he is defended by the three on the other end...How does it help the Knicks if Amare comes off the bench??...I mean Kareem had to sit out the game 6 of the 1980 Championship against the Sixers..Magic played center scored 42 pts grabbed 15 boards..Did the coaches the following year say hey, let's bring Kareem off the bench..Er Noooo..
It's not we aren't struggling offensively..

I know brining Amare off the bench will never happen, just wondering what I'm missing??

Stat will see enough minutes, you don't want to rush him back like how the Bulls did Rose and injure something else (sat out last night). The problem right now is in the 2nd unit, not first. The guy has a gimpy back, let's not make him play playoff basketball minutes yet.

It doesnt matter when u play, it's how long u play..Minutes off the bench isn't softer than starters minutes..

We outscored Chicago in the 1st and 3rd quarter, our starters are actually doing well. It's the bench that's been killing us. See Boston (Ray Allen 35 minutes off bench) on how to effectively fix this.

We are actually getting killed on the boards..The plan of action can't be counting on Melo doing it on his own game in and game out..We are putting a three guard lineup out there..It's hurting us..

Really hurt us last night. Melo had 2 boards. Not his fault. I don't think he is a full-time PF


Not his fault? He had a very good game overall but even if you think he's an SF, he needs to get more than 2 boards.

Melo is a great rebounder at SF but he is not going to get it done every night against teams with bruising bigs. They won the 1st chicago game despite getting outrebounded but its not going to happen on a consistent basis

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4/11/2012  12:14 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:I really don't get this line of thinking...Melo needs massive help...We are getting killed on the boards..It doesn't matter if Melo plays the 4 because he is defended by the three on the other end...How does it help the Knicks if Amare comes off the bench??...I mean Kareem had to sit out the game 6 of the 1980 Championship against the Sixers..Magic played center scored 42 pts grabbed 15 boards..Did the coaches the following year say hey, let's bring Kareem off the bench..Er Noooo..
It's not we aren't struggling offensively..

I know brining Amare off the bench will never happen, just wondering what I'm missing??

The floor is spread out much better when Melo plays PF even if the other team's SF is on him. I mean, you'd have to be blind to not notice how much better he's played as a PF than SF this year.

Agreed. At least with this teams makeup.

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4/11/2012  12:17 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:I really don't get this line of thinking...Melo needs massive help...We are getting killed on the boards..It doesn't matter if Melo plays the 4 because he is defended by the three on the other end...How does it help the Knicks if Amare comes off the bench??...I mean Kareem had to sit out the game 6 of the 1980 Championship against the Sixers..Magic played center scored 42 pts grabbed 15 boards..Did the coaches the following year say hey, let's bring Kareem off the bench..Er Noooo..
It's not we aren't struggling offensively..

I know brining Amare off the bench will never happen, just wondering what I'm missing??

Stat will see enough minutes, you don't want to rush him back like how the Bulls did Rose and injure something else (sat out last night). The problem right now is in the 2nd unit, not first. The guy has a gimpy back, let's not make him play playoff basketball minutes yet.

It doesnt matter when u play, it's how long u play..Minutes off the bench isn't softer than starters minutes..

We outscored Chicago in the 1st and 3rd quarter, our starters are actually doing well. It's the bench that's been killing us. See Boston (Ray Allen 35 minutes off bench) on how to effectively fix this.

We are actually getting killed on the boards..The plan of action can't be counting on Melo doing it on his own game in and game out..We are putting a three guard lineup out there..It's hurting us..

Really hurt us last night. Melo had 2 boards. Not his fault. I don't think he is a full-time PF

I personally believe that at this point Melo is a better rebounder than Stat and does a much better job boxing out which Stat does not really do. I guess he never really had to be when he was able to jump to the moon.

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4/11/2012  12:18 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:I really don't get this line of thinking...Melo needs massive help...We are getting killed on the boards..It doesn't matter if Melo plays the 4 because he is defended by the three on the other end...How does it help the Knicks if Amare comes off the bench??...I mean Kareem had to sit out the game 6 of the 1980 Championship against the Sixers..Magic played center scored 42 pts grabbed 15 boards..Did the coaches the following year say hey, let's bring Kareem off the bench..Er Noooo..
It's not we aren't struggling offensively..

I know brining Amare off the bench will never happen, just wondering what I'm missing??

Stat will see enough minutes, you don't want to rush him back like how the Bulls did Rose and injure something else (sat out last night). The problem right now is in the 2nd unit, not first. The guy has a gimpy back, let's not make him play playoff basketball minutes yet.

It doesnt matter when u play, it's how long u play..Minutes off the bench isn't softer than starters minutes..

We outscored Chicago in the 1st and 3rd quarter, our starters are actually doing well. It's the bench that's been killing us. See Boston (Ray Allen 35 minutes off bench) on how to effectively fix this.

We are actually getting killed on the boards..The plan of action can't be counting on Melo doing it on his own game in and game out..We are putting a three guard lineup out there..It's hurting us..

Really hurt us last night. Melo had 2 boards. Not his fault. I don't think he is a full-time PF


Not his fault? He had a very good game overall but even if you think he's an SF, he needs to get more than 2 boards.

Melo is a great rebounder at SF but he is not going to get it done every night against teams with bruising bigs. They won the 1st chicago game despite getting outrebounded but its not going to happen on a consistent basis

Chicago kills everyone on the boards and woulda killed us with or without Stat.

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4/11/2012  12:20 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
holfresh wrote:I really don't get this line of thinking...Melo needs massive help...We are getting killed on the boards..It doesn't matter if Melo plays the 4 because he is defended by the three on the other end...How does it help the Knicks if Amare comes off the bench??...I mean Kareem had to sit out the game 6 of the 1980 Championship against the Sixers..Magic played center scored 42 pts grabbed 15 boards..Did the coaches the following year say hey, let's bring Kareem off the bench..Er Noooo..
It's not we aren't struggling offensively..

I know brining Amare off the bench will never happen, just wondering what I'm missing??

Stat will see enough minutes, you don't want to rush him back like how the Bulls did Rose and injure something else (sat out last night). The problem right now is in the 2nd unit, not first. The guy has a gimpy back, let's not make him play playoff basketball minutes yet.

It doesnt matter when u play, it's how long u play..Minutes off the bench isn't softer than starters minutes..

We outscored Chicago in the 1st and 3rd quarter, our starters are actually doing well. It's the bench that's been killing us. See Boston (Ray Allen 35 minutes off bench) on how to effectively fix this.

We are actually getting killed on the boards..The plan of action can't be counting on Melo doing it on his own game in and game out..We are putting a three guard lineup out there..It's hurting us..

Really hurt us last night. Melo had 2 boards. Not his fault. I don't think he is a full-time PF


Not his fault? He had a very good game overall but even if you think he's an SF, he needs to get more than 2 boards.

I agree. But it's also harder to rebound against guys like Boozer than it is to rebound against guys like Granger. Not trying to make excuses for him, but as good a player as it is it's gotta be an adjustment grabbing boards against guys bigger and more physical than he's used to.

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