This isn't new but Let's revisit this trade today Thurs. March 29, 2012 about 13 months later:
NYK COMPLETE TRADE FOR CARMELO ANTHONY
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/carmelo_anthony_trade_to_knicks_2Jg35AjOFhPRSJso9BAjSN

Regardless of Melo's poor season and often poor play versus is sometimes GOOD play
Regardless of Mr. Stoudemire back breaking down again about 2-3 wks sooner than last yr, (NO Amare)
Regardless of our new 2012 roster additions star in-making J.Lin (out), Novack & draftee Shumpert
LETs really discuss this Carmelo deal making him Knickerbocker. (I'll refrain from the hate melo comments seen)

What DEAL would you rather have today ? March 29 2012 thursday evening eh ?

Would you much rather have the Danillo/Chandler/Felton/Mozgov team ? And keep in mind honestly even if it kept Mike D'Antoni his
job full 2011/2012 yr, There is no guarantee that:
1) Jeremey Lin ever became a Knick, since likely Chauncey Billups would have been PG starter.
2) Iman Shumpert would have been drafted. Its possible ! Give MDA credit he picked SHUMP but all that occurred in June 2011 draft
Melo already a Knick.

Only thing you can speculate is that Perhaps Knicks would have gone after C-Tyson Chandler but
keep this in mind if MELO wasnt a Knick would Chandler come to NewYork eh ? Answer that in your mind.
There are good smart basketball knick fans in forum.

You can also speculate Mike Woodson would have been signed regardless for Knick Defensive coach since its an issue for
Knicks bosses downward to D'Antoni System.

NOW KEEP in mind
Denver Nuggets in a tough western race should make NBA playoffs again as same as Nuggets did in MELOs prior 7 yrs.
With Danillo Gallo out 3-4 wks "stress break fracture" and Wilson Chandler joining team other day, other than T.Mozgov (center)
and departed Raymond Felton (gone) Its hard to say anything bad about either deal NUGGETs or KNICKS got better end

You really think that if Danillo big trade piece vs MELO, if that deal fell through

does anyone on this forum board believe We'd have a team competing now for something ? answer that fair and honestly

Oh I didnt mention beside Mr. Amare being out (undetermined) in addition to Gallo injury (who knows he may have been healthy as NYK)
that Chauncey Billups got hurt AGAIN,

There is bunch of crap to figure into here.
The team that could have been without the TRADE and team now you have eh ?
Your'/Our team honestly may have NEVER EVER ever seen Lin-sanity in the NBA eh ? Think about that !
Jeremy Lin not getting a chance to be a NBA player. We'd had Felton and you know that since C.Paul was >1 yr away

Seriously, I think if you forget about all the other players and draft picks we gave up and simply put Carmelo back on Denver and Gallo back on the Knicks, our record this year would be significantly better.

Bonn1997 wrote:I wonder if anyone can guess my position

Seriously, I think if you forget about all the other players and draft picks we gave up and simply put Carmelo back on Denver and Gallo back on the Knicks, our record this year would be significantly better.

Silverfuel wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I wonder if anyone can guess my position

Seriously, I think if you forget about all the other players and draft picks we gave up and simply put Carmelo back on Denver and Gallo back on the Knicks, our record this year would be significantly better.

Right, lets discuss how the regular season record would be and not care about how much better the team in the long run. Only the short sighted are allowed.

I agree and its too early the regular ends ..we should talk
But until the playoffs are Possibility then regular season is only a memory, its what you do in NBA playoffs.

So
I'd like to know though Knicks can or has good chance (no guarantee ) to make nba playoffs

You'd think a team with Injured GALLO and AMARE,
with roster 'Unknown' will be a much better record that 26-25 right now as Bonn pointed out.

Let me see
PG R.Felton
SG W.Chandler
C unknown
PF Amare (healthy ?) maybe ?
SF Gallo (healthy ?) maybe ?
Bench:
Unknown ?

Silverfuel wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I wonder if anyone can guess my position

Seriously, I think if you forget about all the other players and draft picks we gave up and simply put Carmelo back on Denver and Gallo back on the Knicks, our record this year would be significantly better.

Right, lets discuss how the regular season record would be and not care about how much better the team in the long run. Only the short sighted are allowed.

I forgot how much better the long-term would be with an overweight, injury prone 9 year veteran. It's ironic that preferring the young, improving player is considered "short sighted." Look, I still think Carmelo is a good player and has many strengths. If you don't really want exposure to a range of views, you shouldn't have opened this thread. DJ opened a can of worms with this thread.

DJMUSIC wrote:Bad Melo, Fair Melo , medium good or Great Melo

In all the players we mentioned here OR not here,
fact of matter is Carmelo Anthony is still best player among discussions win/lose or draw
& that includes Mr. Amare Stoudermire ironically.

Best players usually figure out how to help teams win games. Guess at end of day winning is the what makes everyone pay attention
if its good enough to qualify for playoffs then that discussion starts.

I realize that if you do what most fans do - just look at points per game and flashiness - the notion of preferring our previous players to Melo would seem absurd.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I wonder if anyone can guess my position

Seriously, I think if you forget about all the other players and draft picks we gave up and simply put Carmelo back on Denver and Gallo back on the Knicks, our record this year would be significantly better.

Right, lets discuss how the regular season record would be and not care about how much better the team in the long run. Only the short sighted are allowed.

I forgot how much better the long-term would be with an overweight, injury prone 9 year veteran. It's ironic that preferring the young, improving player is considered "short sighted." Look, I still think Carmelo is a good player and has many strengths. If you don't really want exposure to a range of views, you shouldn't have opened this thread. DJ opened a can of worms with this thread.

I don't think so Bonn (can of worms')
but I hear ya clearly on what you mean.

This trade has been rightfully criticized by basketball media up to end of Feb. 2012 or at least during Knicks plight with
Mike D'Antoni whom all of Knicks woes we're his sole fault. I always maintained with MDA it is NEVER one person fault for
bad losing to organization as same I said about Carmelo Anthony whom got 'Killed' way too much in press for all bad in NYK Hoops.

While that was occuring we admired what Denver Nuggets could do with their team .>500 and alot of games won, with new star
Danillo Gallonari often on injured list despite Nuggets play & with Center NENE' being shipped Or exiled out of Colorado.

Amazing..

Furthermore Neither Raymond Felton Or Billups are in mix of anything in NBA for 2011/2012 season. Strike season would have occurred
if Wilson Chandler still a Knick Or signed someplace else.

Yep
too early to review this trade however you never never know
what this Pre' MELO Team would look like on Thursday eve. March 29 2012 today.

Only fact we can say is Mike D'Antoni would likely be Knick coach
Seasonal-Forecast cloudy & Unknown

DJMUSIC wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I wonder if anyone can guess my position

Seriously, I think if you forget about all the other players and draft picks we gave up and simply put Carmelo back on Denver and Gallo back on the Knicks, our record this year would be significantly better.

Right, lets discuss how the regular season record would be and not care about how much better the team in the long run. Only the short sighted are allowed.

I forgot how much better the long-term would be with an overweight, injury prone 9 year veteran. It's ironic that preferring the young, improving player is considered "short sighted." Look, I still think Carmelo is a good player and has many strengths. If you don't really want exposure to a range of views, you shouldn't have opened this thread. DJ opened a can of worms with this thread.

I don't think so Bonn (can of worms')
but I hear ya clearly on what you mean.

This trade has been rightfully criticized by basketball media up to end of Feb. 2012 or at least during Knicks plight with
Mike D'Antoni whom all of Knicks woes we're his sole fault. I always maintained with MDA it is NEVER one person fault for
bad losing to organization as same I said about Carmelo Anthony whom got 'Killed' way too much in press for all bad in NYK Hoops.

While that was occuring we admired what Denver Nuggets could do with their team .>500 and alot of games won, with new star
Danillo Gallonari often on injured list despite Nuggets play & with Center NENE' being shipped Or exiled out of Colorado.

Amazing..

Furthermore Neither Raymond Felton Or Billups are in mix of anything in NBA for 2011/2012 season. Strike season would have occurred
if Wilson Chandler still a Knick Or signed someplace else.

Yep
too early to review this trade however you never never know
what this Pre' MELO Team would look like on Thursday eve. March 29 2012 today.

Only fact we can say is Mike D'Antoni would likely be Knick coach
Seasonal-Forecast cloudy & Unknown

HugeKnick4 wrote:Just cannot go back in history and compare these things. We are where we are and don't know where we are going, but cannot go back.

Right Could not have said it better

Also I cant say better that Mike Woodson in under 1 month is 8-1 vs. some pretty good teams
and I've never EVER EVER seen Michael 'Strahan-mr.Pringles' D'Antoni go 8-1 record or whatever his best clip win streak was in
3-4 near seasons as Knickerbocker coach.

NEVER

We know where we at & going now
but we had an idea where we're going with MDA at end of February 2012 & its direction was not good outlook

Bonn1997 wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Silverfuel wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I wonder if anyone can guess my position

Seriously, I think if you forget about all the other players and draft picks we gave up and simply put Carmelo back on Denver and Gallo back on the Knicks, our record this year would be significantly better.

Right, lets discuss how the regular season record would be and not care about how much better the team in the long run. Only the short sighted are allowed.

I forgot how much better the long-term would be with an overweight, injury prone 9 year veteran. It's ironic that preferring the young, improving player is considered "short sighted." Look, I still think Carmelo is a good player and has many strengths. If you don't really want exposure to a range of views, you shouldn't have opened this thread. DJ opened a can of worms with this thread.

Its a can of worms for you because you are the one that needs to make the point. You are the one that has to chase down every single pro Melo post and try to spin it like Fox News. But whatever.

It is obvious that not only is Melo a better player but is also more durable. He has already played more games than Gallo this season and any Knick fan in their right mind will be feel much better off with Melo over Gallo when Amare is injured and out for 2 to 4 weeks. Time has proven that the Melo trade worked out much better for us because now we have Lin and Candler instead of Felton and Mozgov. At this point its not even a debate. The Melo trade worked out for the Knicks. You want to try and counter because you were against is for so long but everyone sees it. You sound petty at this point. Just accept it that we are better off.

I agree the team we have now is better than team we had pre-trade. If for a moment we grant that the Melo trade was the only way to get those players, then the trade would have been worthwhile. It's impossible to know the validity of that assumption though. I thought the most practical thing to do was to focus on the players' on-the-court performance.

Note also that I did not say the team would have a better record now if we hadn't made the trade. I said the team would have a better record now if at the start of the season we had swapped Melo and Gallo.

Honestly you do a lot of personal attacking and seem closed off to views other than your own.

You can say that about me but I am not letting you get off the point. You make a lot of factual statements that amount to nothing. How can you say stuff like:

If for a moment we grant that the Melo trade was the only way to get those players, then the trade would have been worthwhile. It's impossible to know the validity of that assumption though.

I can understand people not liking Melo but with the benefit of hindsight, how can anyone in their right minds say that the trade was bad?! You can only say that if you are trying to save face after being so against it now you cannot admit you were wrong.

EDIT: I wish I could go back and forth with you for a few more hours but I have to go. I'll try and get back to you later Bonn.