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loweyecue
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3/18/2012  11:19 AM
INTERIM LAME DUCK is not a position most people will audition for. Yet Woodson finds himself on the proverbial hot seat in a supercharged atmosphere with a near renegade superstar to boot. On one hand looms the specter of Dolan putting PJax on his short term wish list on the other hand are mounting fan expectations that get ratcheted up with every win.
The team is also in phase where it doesn't yet have an established identity and Woodson's own inclinations may lead him away from what his predecessor was trying to build. But the direction he wants to go may be a moot point because in the NBA the coaches are paid to pander to their stars more than any other sport. The culture of shamelessly blaming coaches for shortcomings of their personnel has reached all time highs in this league. So will Woodson be able to get around this? For his sake I hope he does, but I am yet to feel confident that he will.

A look at the current team shows a bunch of good players who are playing at a high level together as a team over Woodson's 3 game win streak. Also in that make up are the two so called "all stars". Woodson has in the past relied on Isolation play designed for his start players (ATL). But in NY he has team that is energized by playing tem basketball and winning on defense 9as strange as that may sound!). Along with all the challenges he inherited he also got that most fragile component on a team which is practically a bunch of strangers playing together - he inherited Chemistry from the Linsanity days. The difference is that chemistry was obtained without and almost at the cost of the teams two resident superstars. Woodson's job is to make sure they feel comfortable in the game while keeping the chemistry untarnished. That's not an easy job by any means. Winning helps!!
Woodson has to find a balance between isolation type basketball that will make his stars happy and the winning formula of team basketball. And with every win he notches he earns a few more chips and little more leverage over his superstars to show them that this hybrid approach can and will work. So what is the problem?

Woodson and his Knicks will not win every game, this much can be said without prejudice. Linsanity was bound to hit a wall at some point so is the fragile chemistry of the current roster with everyone healthy. So what happens when the Knicks lose 2-3 games in a row? This is NY stupid. Every "journalist", analyst, blogger and fan will start looking for reasons and people to blame. Now in the current culture and in N Y's glorified fan base intellect the star players are not to blame becuase they can take on a game at any time and win. So obviously the coach will get the blame.

Melo is averaging 12-15 pts in the Woodson era and playing good defense. Hope this goes on forever, but again I don't think it will, WHY? Because once we lose some games Melo will feel he could have won those games for us by playing Iso ball and he will start sulking about why the offense is not flowing through him (We scored 115 points with him getting 10) against the Pacers at home or something close to that. He has done this sulking over and over again throughout his career. Then Woodson will be faced with his dilemma.

Should he pander to Melo and change the style of the basketball at the cost of killing team chemistry or should he try to hold Melo accountable for being selfish. Now Woodson’s a tough dude and I think he will try his best to hold Melo accountable – I don’t doubt that for a second. But how does he hold him accountable?

Option 1 – Bench Melo for a game or two –Then Melo come back and drops 60 on some poor unsuspecting team. BAM!! Has Melo changed? No – he has learned that he needs to show up Woodson.

Option 2 – Don’t bench Melo but get in his face and yell at him on the sideline when he blows plays. Melo will at first try to understand and play according to what Woodson wants that much we have seen. But if the team is on that 3 game losing streak and the media is trying to rip Woodson a new one, Melo will automatically distance himself from Woody. Melo wants to win but it’s a distant second to his NEED to be the media darling. So Melo tunes Woodson out and the eventual power struggle ensues. We all know who wins this one.

Other options? – I don’t know maybe Woodson is able to reach Melo the way others have not been able to. I will root him to do that but I have no hope for this to happen. I think it will take a coach with the undeniable credibility of PJax to get there.

To complicate things further there is Amar’e who is a good dude but is clueless on defense. Maybe Woodson will have more success with him using Tyson’s help. And there is the political weight bearing down on the decision on whether he can bench Lin or not.

I want this guy to succeed but I am too cynical to believe he will. He is doing and saying the right things, but this is NY stupid! We fire coaches if for nothing else then the pure entertainment value of it. It will be interesting to watch how he pulls off this balancing act or falls trying. He has few advantages and some points of leverage he also has lots of constraints. Time will tell and I wish him well.

NOTE - Please don't turn this into a MDA vs. Woodson thread. This is about Woodson, the position he is in and the constraints he has to overcome if he wants to succeed in NY.

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MarburyAnd1Crossover
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3/18/2012  11:20 AM
It's simple for Woodson: advance to Second Round and you have another year in New York, at least. Advance to Conference Finals and you have a 3 year contract.
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3/18/2012  11:51 AM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:It's simple for Woodson: advance to Second Round and you have another year in New York, at least. Advance to Conference Finals and you have a 3 year contract.

If Jax wants the job Woody has to make the ECF to make Dolan think about giving it to him.

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3/18/2012  11:58 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/18/2012  12:05 PM
Unless Woodson wins the championship, if Jackson wanted the Knicks job he is going to get it. Woodson right now is auditioning for a job on another team if this is the case.
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3/18/2012  12:01 PM
MSG3 wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:It's simple for Woodson: advance to Second Round and you have another year in New York, at least. Advance to Conference Finals and you have a 3 year contract.

If Jax wants the job Woody has to make the ECF to make Dolan think about giving it to him.

Alright, but we're talking in a vacuum. If Woodson goes to Second Round, he's the head coach next year.

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3/18/2012  12:02 PM
I hope he will coach like it is his job to lose and not like he is a temp.

I want Jackson here and agree that if he wants it, he can have it. Barring Jax coming which there is a very good chance that he's not, this is Woody's job to lose so there IS alot on the line for him.

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3/18/2012  12:04 PM
MSG3 wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:It's simple for Woodson: advance to Second Round and you have another year in New York, at least. Advance to Conference Finals and you have a 3 year contract.

If Jax wants the job Woody has to make the ECF to make Dolan think about giving it to him.

Agreed. Don't feel too bad for Woodson if he goes deep in the playoffs and gets replaced by Jax. That turnaround in the team's fortunes will get him a good deal somewhere. I'm pretty sure a few teams will be bidding for his services.

One thing I didn't realize until the Pacers TV crew pointed it out was that Woodson's Hawks got better every year for 6 years straight.

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3/18/2012  12:10 PM
Phil Jackson will be 67 next September.

That is a lot of mileage to carry on a 100 game schedule with arthritic knees and a chronic hip problem.

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3/18/2012  12:15 PM
misterearl wrote:Phil Jackson will be 67 next September.

That is a lot of mileage to carry on a 100 game schedule with arthritic knees and a chronic hip problem.

I agree Earl, but if he wants the job he's more than likely going to get it unless there is an issue over money (doubt it) or Dolan staying out of the way. I hope Woodson can earn a new deal, I'm already liking what I'm seeing and I know I'm not alone. How can't we?

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3/18/2012  12:24 PM
loweyecue wrote:INTERIM LAME DUCK is not a position most people will audition for. Yet Woodson finds himself on the proverbial hot seat in a supercharged atmosphere with a near renegade superstar to boot. On one hand looms the specter of Dolan putting PJax on his short term wish list on the other hand are mounting fan expectations that get ratcheted up with every win.
The team is also in phase where it doesn't yet have an established identity and Woodson's own inclinations may lead him away from what his predecessor was trying to build. But the direction he wants to go may be a moot point because in the NBA the coaches are paid to pander to their stars more than any other sport. The culture of shamelessly blaming coaches for shortcomings of their personnel has reached all time highs in this league. So will Woodson be able to get around this? For his sake I hope he does, but I am yet to feel confident that he will.

A look at the current team shows a bunch of good players who are playing at a high level together as a team over Woodson's 3 game win streak. Also in that make up are the two so called "all stars". Woodson has in the past relied on Isolation play designed for his start players (ATL). But in NY he has team that is energized by playing tem basketball and winning on defense 9as strange as that may sound!). Along with all the challenges he inherited he also got that most fragile component on a team which is practically a bunch of strangers playing together - he inherited Chemistry from the Linsanity days. The difference is that chemistry was obtained without and almost at the cost of the teams two resident superstars. Woodson's job is to make sure they feel comfortable in the game while keeping the chemistry untarnished. That's not an easy job by any means. Winning helps!!
Woodson has to find a balance between isolation type basketball that will make his stars happy and the winning formula of team basketball. And with every win he notches he earns a few more chips and little more leverage over his superstars to show them that this hybrid approach can and will work. So what is the problem?

Woodson and his Knicks will not win every game, this much can be said without prejudice. Linsanity was bound to hit a wall at some point so is the fragile chemistry of the current roster with everyone healthy. So what happens when the Knicks lose 2-3 games in a row? This is NY stupid. Every "journalist", analyst, blogger and fan will start looking for reasons and people to blame. Now in the current culture and in N Y's glorified fan base intellect the star players are not to blame becuase they can take on a game at any time and win. So obviously the coach will get the blame.

Melo is averaging 12-15 pts in the Woodson era and playing good defense. Hope this goes on forever, but again I don't think it will, WHY? Because once we lose some games Melo will feel he could have won those games for us by playing Iso ball and he will start sulking about why the offense is not flowing through him (We scored 115 points with him getting 10) against the Pacers at home or something close to that. He has done this sulking over and over again throughout his career. Then Woodson will be faced with his dilemma.

Should he pander to Melo and change the style of the basketball at the cost of killing team chemistry or should he try to hold Melo accountable for being selfish. Now Woodson’s a tough dude and I think he will try his best to hold Melo accountable – I don’t doubt that for a second. But how does he hold him accountable?

Option 1 – Bench Melo for a game or two –Then Melo come back and drops 60 on some poor unsuspecting team. BAM!! Has Melo changed? No – he has learned that he needs to show up Woodson.

Option 2 – Don’t bench Melo but get in his face and yell at him on the sideline when he blows plays. Melo will at first try to understand and play according to what Woodson wants that much we have seen. But if the team is on that 3 game losing streak and the media is trying to rip Woodson a new one, Melo will automatically distance himself from Woody. Melo wants to win but it’s a distant second to his NEED to be the media darling. So Melo tunes Woodson out and the eventual power struggle ensues. We all know who wins this one.

Other options? – I don’t know maybe Woodson is able to reach Melo the way others have not been able to. I will root him to do that but I have no hope for this to happen. I think it will take a coach with the undeniable credibility of PJax to get there.

To complicate things further there is Amar’e who is a good dude but is clueless on defense. Maybe Woodson will have more success with him using Tyson’s help. And there is the political weight bearing down on the decision on whether he can bench Lin or not.

I want this guy to succeed but I am too cynical to believe he will. He is doing and saying the right things, but this is NY stupid! We fire coaches if for nothing else then the pure entertainment value of it. It will be interesting to watch how he pulls off this balancing act or falls trying. He has few advantages and some points of leverage he also has lots of constraints. Time will tell and I wish him well.

NOTE - Please don't turn this into a MDA vs. Woodson thread. This is about Woodson, the position he is in and the constraints he has to overcome if he wants to succeed in NY.

Papabear Says

Melo bashing again!!

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3/18/2012  1:12 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:It's simple for Woodson: advance to Second Round and you have another year in New York, at least. Advance to Conference Finals and you have a 3 year contract.

If Jax wants the job Woody has to make the ECF to make Dolan think about giving it to him.

Agreed. Don't feel too bad for Woodson if he goes deep in the playoffs and gets replaced by Jax. That turnaround in the team's fortunes will get him a good deal somewhere. I'm pretty sure a few teams will be bidding for his services.

One thing I didn't realize until the Pacers TV crew pointed it out was that Woodson's Hawks got better every year for 6 years straight.

If Woodson takes this team to the ECF I'll gladly accept him as head coach. I think he will have earned it. In fact I think it will be dangerous to give the job to Jax in that scenario because it'll show the players that there's no appreciation for a job well done.

I hope Woody coaches the way he's been talking and the we he showed yesterday. Getting on his players, smart timeouts, good set plays when needed, demanding defense from his stars. he just has to keep them motivated. This team is too good to be in the position they're in.

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3/18/2012  7:17 PM
If Woodson takes Knicks to ECF, he'll have a job as head coach most definitely. Plain and simple.
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3/18/2012  7:29 PM

More "Emperor speak":

"Perhaps if the makes the ECF's I shall consider him further"

"If the Son of Jack need me to "only ask" then perhaps if I am so inspired"

"Beg he should, as we are deep in talent and swimming in money"

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3/18/2012  9:22 PM
Even I would start talking about benching Melo already! LOL! So far I really like Woodson's style.
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3/19/2012  4:15 AM
Syniko wrote:If Woodson takes Knicks to ECF, he'll have a job as head coach most definitely. Plain and simple.

How can he not? Do you think if we went to the ECF that Jax would step on Woody's toes? Maybe he would, but I would bet not.

Think about it. For us to make the ECF, that probably means we finish the regular season very strong, win a first-round series and then upset either the Bulls or the Heat in the second round.

Given that scenario, not so sure Woodson is not all but guaranteed a return ticket to MSG for a hefty payday. Dolan would have to ante up because Woodson's stock would be sky-high and other teams would definitely come a callin'.

So even if we make the ECF and then hire Jax (which I highly doubt would happen), Woodson will get a big payday somewhere.

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3/19/2012  6:52 AM
Why you guys still think Jax will coach the Knicks??? He already turned it down TWICE in Dumblan's face. He's old and has health issues. He wants to be with his family. Dumblan will never give him full personnel power (Pat Riley tried and failed and left for good). Gimme a good reason why you still believe Jax will consider this job. If you say money, then I'll say you need to retake 1st grade math. It just doesn't add up.
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3/19/2012  9:01 AM
There is no dilemma.

With fellow Indiana teammate Glen Grunwald holding it down at interim GM, interim head coach Mike Woodson has the inside track.

We are all day to day.

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