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3/14/2012  10:24 AM
Don't know how much weight I put into the 'players quitting on the coach' but, but this has some good insight into what Melo wants to contribute to the offense, and that he's expected to fill Shawne Williams old role. Also a little bit on the Lin/Melo dynamic

Sources: Knicks tuning out coach
Updated: March 14, 2012, 3:56 AM ETBy Chris Broussard | ESPN The Magazine

After a remarkable Jeremy Lin-led run that made them the toast of the NBA, the Knicks have lost 8 of their last 10 games. There's plenty of blame to go around, but while some within the organization are questioning superstar Carmelo Anthony, most of the fingers are being pointed at head coach Mike D'Antoni, according to several sources close to the situation.


D'Antoni, hailed as an offensive genius during his successful tenure in Phoenix, has lost the Knicks' locker room, the sources say.


"The players like Mike as a person," one source said. "They think he's a good guy. But he doesn't have the respect of the team anymore."


D'Antoni is in the last year of a four-year deal and all indications are that he will not be brought back after this season; that is, if he survives the rest of this season. The Knicks are expected to make a run at Phil Jackson, who retired from the Lakers last year with 11 NBA titles.

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But the Knicks, losers of six straight games, still have 24 games left to get through this year, and according to numerous sources close to the team, the reeling club is as dysfunctional in the locker room as it is on the court.


In addition to questioning D'Antoni, players are complaining about playing time, and confused about the offensive and defensive schemes.


It is lost on no one that the Knicks' free-fall coincides precisely with the return of Anthony. While Anthony was out with a groin injury, the Knicks won 6 of 7 games, including victories over the Los Angeles Lakers and defending champion Dallas Mavericks. With Lin leading D'Antoni's offense, the Knicks played fast and free, spacing the floor, hitting the open man, and even improving defensively.


But the day Anthony returned, the Knicks lost to the struggling New Jersey Nets, starting a sorry stretch that has washed away all the feel-good emotions of Lin's emergence and left them on the verge of missing the playoffs.


Management, the coaching staff and the players know Anthony is hurting the offense and in turn, the defensive morale, according to the sources. While D'Antoni's offense calls for Anthony to plant himself on the wing at the 3-point line, he often creeps in to his favorite spot in the floor -- the area between the elbow, the arc and the post. That kills the Knicks' ability to run the high pick-and-roll and ruins the spacing that is so critical to D'Antoni's offense.


"That's at the very core of our problem," one person close to the situation said. "That messes up the fluidity of the offense. Melo could do it, but he's got to trust the offense."


When Anthony first returned -- and it still appears to be the case -- Lin would bring the ball upcourt and try to run D'Antoni's system. When Anthony would abandon the offense, Lin would not pass him the ball, which irritated Anthony, sources said. So when Lin tried to talk to Anthony on the court, Anthony would turn his back to the point guard and tune him out. The two never had heated exchanges, though, and the players tried to come to a compromise, agreeing to run D'Antoni's system while also mixing in post-ups for Anthony.


"But it's just a mess because D'Antoni's system is not designed for that," one source said.


Despite his often poor body language, many of the players believe Anthony is trying to adjust and sincerely wants to win. He has told people close to him that he is being asked to do things he's never done, saying that throughout his career he has always had plenty of post-up opportunities and that he is uncomfortable standing on the wing spacing the floor.


"Half the team is trying to do what coach says and the other half is doing something different," one source said. "Then it spills over to the defensive end because players are (ticked) off about somebody taking a bad shot."


With Anthony sapping the energy from the offense, the players often lose their incentive to play defense. But even when he's trying to play defense, Amare Stoudemire struggles. Having spent almost his entire career in D'Antoni's non-defensive system, Stoudemire has trouble making defensive reads and rotations. Anthony knows what to do defensively, but simply refuses to do it consistently, the sources said.


Some players believe D'Antoni had the leverage to force Anthony to adjust to his system when he first returned from injury. The Knicks were rolling, showing they could win without Anthony, and their fan base was believing in D'Antoni's system. If D'Antoni had checked Anthony, perhaps even benching him, when he strayed from the offense, the players and fans would have been behind the coach and Anthony would have had no choice but to conform. But D'Antoni, ever the one to avoid confrontation with his players, would not do it, and now it's too late. That's when he lost the locker room for good.


Now, the players believe they need a coach who will hold players, especially the stars like Anthony and Stoudemire, accountable, the sources said. They do not believe D'Antoni is willing or able to do it.


On top of that, Baron Davis, who just returned from a back injury, is unhappy with his limited role as Lin's backup. Davis, averaging just 17 minutes a game, has already spoken to D'Antoni about giving him more playing time, according to the sources. While Lin wants to run D'Antoni's system, Davis is more in line with running the offense through Anthony and Stoudemire, the sources said.


"The only way this is going to work is if we have a coach that will hold Melo accountable and teach Melo, Amare and Jeremy how to play winning basketball," a source said.


Chris Broussard is a senior writer for ESPN The Magazine.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7684157/mike-dantoni-lost-new-york-knicks-locker-room-according-sources

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3/14/2012  10:46 AM
"The only way this is going to work is if we have a coach that will hold Melo accountable and teach Melo, Amare and Jeremy how to play winning basketball," a source said.

really?? i mean, isn't this statement just dripping with stupidity??

Melo, you know, the guy who is quitting on his team, and breaking plays, ruining the spacing of the system, draining the team's energy on both offense and defense -- all he needs is a coach to coach him on how to listen to a coach!!!

that's all.

Melo just needs a coach that will coach him on how to listen to a coach!!! BRILLIANT!!!

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3/14/2012  10:50 AM
We need Melo to post up. That's his game. He is a bully on the block.
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3/14/2012  11:12 AM
colombian0725 wrote:We need Melo to post up. That's his game. He is a bully on the block.

I agree with this completely.

it's obvious that Melo needs to sacrifice his game, but how about Pringles figure out a way to take advantage of this skillset too?

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3/14/2012  11:28 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:
colombian0725 wrote:We need Melo to post up. That's his game. He is a bully on the block.

I agree with this completely.

it's obvious that Melo needs to sacrifice his game, but how about Pringles figure out a way to take advantage of this skillset too?

MDA equals stubborn donkey. Equal Opportunity Offense remember, share the ball! Let Jared Jeffries and Jorts shoot outside when Amare or Melo has a mismatch LOL. Let Shumpert shoot the ball 20+ times when he's the point guard againt Memphis, and don't say a word LOL. Remember it's a read/react offense without any play calling and PG has the right to shoot it at will if he can....great coaching

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3/14/2012  12:48 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
colombian0725 wrote:We need Melo to post up. That's his game. He is a bully on the block.

I agree with this completely.

it's obvious that Melo needs to sacrifice his game, but how about Pringles figure out a way to take advantage of this skillset too?

Seriously, Hubie Brown was calling for Melo post ups during the Bulls game. The one time they got the ball to Melo on the post in the 4th, he got doubled then hit Amare for an open jumper. Why is this so hard to see? why the H** would you want a prolific scorer like Melo to hang around the 3 point line like Sean Williams? Makes no sense.

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3/14/2012  12:50 PM
Uptown wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
colombian0725 wrote:We need Melo to post up. That's his game. He is a bully on the block.

I agree with this completely.

it's obvious that Melo needs to sacrifice his game, but how about Pringles figure out a way to take advantage of this skillset too?

Seriously, Hubie Brown was calling for Melo post ups during the Bulls game. The one time they got the ball to Melo on the post in the 4th, he got doubled then hit Amare for an open jumper. Why is this so hard to see? why the H** would you want a prolific scorer like Melo to hang around the 3 point line like Sean Williams? Makes no sense.

Hubie Brown is an idiot - he is in the Isiah, Dolan, Woodson, Kerr, Grunwald camp. Can you try another name? Perhaps a dumber commentator?

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3/14/2012  12:51 PM
eViL wrote:
"The only way this is going to work is if we have a coach that will hold Melo accountable and teach Melo, Amare and Jeremy how to play winning basketball," a source said.

really?? i mean, isn't this statement just dripping with stupidity??

Maybe, but the part where he teaches the guys how to play basketball - that is brilliant.

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3/14/2012  1:29 PM
eViL wrote:
"The only way this is going to work is if we have a coach that will hold Melo accountable and teach Melo, Amare and Jeremy how to play winning basketball," a source said.

really?? i mean, isn't this statement just dripping with stupidity??

Melo, you know, the guy who is quitting on his team, and breaking plays, ruining the spacing of the system, draining the team's energy on both offense and defense -- all he needs is a coach to coach him on how to listen to a coach!!!

that's all.

Melo just needs a coach that will coach him on how to listen to a coach!!! BRILLIANT!!!

Winning basketball?! MDA has had 288 tries at winning basketball games and has only won 121 of them. what kind of winning basketball is he trying to teach?

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3/14/2012  1:36 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
Uptown wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
colombian0725 wrote:We need Melo to post up. That's his game. He is a bully on the block.

I agree with this completely.

it's obvious that Melo needs to sacrifice his game, but how about Pringles figure out a way to take advantage of this skillset too?

Seriously, Hubie Brown was calling for Melo post ups during the Bulls game. The one time they got the ball to Melo on the post in the 4th, he got doubled then hit Amare for an open jumper. Why is this so hard to see? why the H** would you want a prolific scorer like Melo to hang around the 3 point line like Sean Williams? Makes no sense.

Hubie Brown is an idiot - he is in the Isiah, Dolan, Woodson, Kerr, Grunwald camp. Can you try another name? Perhaps a dumber commentator?


Hubie Brown is good Xs and Os guys. Do you remember the job he did with Grizzlies? Hubie's words carry weight.
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3/14/2012  1:38 PM
I'd trade Melo for future cap flexibility and draft picks at this point. Antawn Jamison and two first rounders and I'll sign. Melo is not coachable
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3/14/2012  1:39 PM
The Knicks will be tailor made for Phil Jackson as a coach. We have a number of dominant players on offense who need to work together. He'll just give the team some reading assignments, and we'll be all set!
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3/14/2012  1:49 PM
Uptown wrote:
eViL wrote:
"The only way this is going to work is if we have a coach that will hold Melo accountable and teach Melo, Amare and Jeremy how to play winning basketball," a source said.

really?? i mean, isn't this statement just dripping with stupidity??

Melo, you know, the guy who is quitting on his team, and breaking plays, ruining the spacing of the system, draining the team's energy on both offense and defense -- all he needs is a coach to coach him on how to listen to a coach!!!

that's all.

Melo just needs a coach that will coach him on how to listen to a coach!!! BRILLIANT!!!

Winning basketball?! MDA has had 288 tries at winning basketball games and has only won 121 of them. what kind of winning basketball is he trying to teach?

I'm sorry but did you not read the part about Melo breaking plays? How is a coach supposed to be judged if the main player won't give the offense a chance to work?

Worst part is that Melo would eventually be a monster if he ever embraced the offense. Too bad he hasn't tried. But it's all MDA's fault for not custom designing an offense for Melo when 90% of the rest of the team can perform well or even overachieve in the current system.

So silly of Mike to think Melo would give his offense a real try. What was he thinking? That Melo is paid to play basketball? Silly him. Melo is also in charge of how the plays get run as well. And if his freelancing disrupts other players and the team's flow on both sides of the ball, who is to blame? Well, Mike D'Antoni of course. Afterall, he is the coach.

Wtf?

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3/14/2012  2:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/14/2012  2:09 PM
technomaster wrote:The Knicks will be tailor made for Phil Jackson as a coach. We have a number of dominant players on offense who need to work together. He'll just give the team some reading assignments, and we'll be all set!

This is what we need:

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3/14/2012  2:05 PM
eViL wrote:
Uptown wrote:
eViL wrote:
"The only way this is going to work is if we have a coach that will hold Melo accountable and teach Melo, Amare and Jeremy how to play winning basketball," a source said.

really?? i mean, isn't this statement just dripping with stupidity??

Melo, you know, the guy who is quitting on his team, and breaking plays, ruining the spacing of the system, draining the team's energy on both offense and defense -- all he needs is a coach to coach him on how to listen to a coach!!!

that's all.

Melo just needs a coach that will coach him on how to listen to a coach!!! BRILLIANT!!!

Winning basketball?! MDA has had 288 tries at winning basketball games and has only won 121 of them. what kind of winning basketball is he trying to teach?

I'm sorry but did you not read the part about Melo breaking plays? How is a coach supposed to be judged if the main player won't give the offense a chance to work?

Worst part is that Melo would eventually be a monster if he ever embraced the offense. Too bad he hasn't tried. But it's all MDA's fault for not custom designing an offense for Melo when 90% of the rest of the team can perform well or even overachieve in the current system.

So silly of Mike to think Melo would give his offense a real try. What was he thinking? That Melo is paid to play basketball? Silly him. Melo is also in charge of how the plays get run as well. And if his freelancing disrupts other players and the team's flow on both sides of the ball, who is to blame? Well, Mike D'Antoni of course. Afterall, he is the coach.

Wtf?

I don't know what Melo was thinking that he would come in here and expect he would be utilized in a way that his superior offensive talents can help the team. He is so dumb to think that he was any better than shawn williams and can do other stuff other than stand in the corner (punished) behind the arc.

Who the hell is he to think these things so effin selfish - I hate him so much!

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3/14/2012  2:05 PM
This guy brought a good point, it's that Melo was on a small-beans contract in Denver and they were able to surround with some ballers, but now the Knicks will have less room to smoke it.
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3/14/2012  2:06 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
technomaster wrote:The Knicks will be tailor made for Phil Jackson as a coach. We have a number of dominant players on offense who need to work together. He'll just give the team some reading assignments, and we'll be all set!

This is what we need:

http://www.nbaloud.com/images/phil-jackson-1970s-basketball-card-.jpg

More starphuching?

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3/14/2012  2:11 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
technomaster wrote:The Knicks will be tailor made for Phil Jackson as a coach. We have a number of dominant players on offense who need to work together. He'll just give the team some reading assignments, and we'll be all set!

This is what we need:

http://www.nbaloud.com/images/phil-jackson-1970s-basketball-card-.jpg

More starphuching?

Might as well go all in right? Who's a bigger coaching star? One the players would actually look up to and listen to. Hmm, stars listen to the Euro League champion coach or the winningest coach of all time...hmmm, tough sell.

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3/14/2012  2:17 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
technomaster wrote:The Knicks will be tailor made for Phil Jackson as a coach. We have a number of dominant players on offense who need to work together. He'll just give the team some reading assignments, and we'll be all set!

This is what we need:

http://www.nbaloud.com/images/phil-jackson-1970s-basketball-card-.jpg

More starphuching?

Might as well go all in right? Who's a bigger coaching star? One the players would actually look up to and listen to. Hmm, stars listen to the Euro League champion coach or the winningest coach of all time...hmmm, tough sell.

America has alot of displaced Europeans due to the 2nd world war exodus so I would say go with the Euro great!

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3/14/2012  2:27 PM
Thank god it's over...
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