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3/14/2012  7:54 AM
The players like Mike as a person," one source said. "They think he's a good guy. But he doesn't have the respect of the team anymore."
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Management, the coaching staff and the players know Anthony is hurting the offense and in turn, the defensive morale, according to the sources. While D'Antoni's offense calls for Anthony to plant himself on the wing at the 3-point line, he often creeps in to his favorite spot in the floor -- the area between the elbow, the arc and the post. That kills the Knicks' ability to run the high pick-and-roll and ruins the spacing that is so critical to D'Antoni's offense.

"That's at the very core of our problem," one person close to the situation said. "That messes up the fluidity of the offense. Melo could do it, but he's got to trust the offense."

When Anthony first returned -- and it still appears to be the case -- Lin would bring the ball up court and try to run D'Antoni's system. When Anthony would abandon the offense, Lin would not pass him the ball, which irritated Anthony, sources said. So when Lin tried to talk to Anthony on the court, Anthony would turn his back to the point guard and tune him out. The two never had heated exchanges, though, and the players tried to come to a compromise, agreeing to run D'Antoni's system while also mixing in post-ups for Anthony.

"But it's just a mess because D'Antoni's system is not designed for that," one source said.

Despite his often poor body language, many of the players believe Anthony is trying to adjust and sincerely wants to win. He has told people close to him that he is being asked to do things he's never done, saying that throughout his career he has always had plenty of post-up opportunities and that he is uncomfortable standing on the wing spacing the floor.

"Half the team is trying to do what coach says and the other half is doing something different," one source said. "Then it spills over to the defensive end because players are (ticked) off about somebody taking a bad shot."

With Anthony sapping the energy from the offense, the players often lose their incentive to play defense. But even when he's trying to play defense, Stoudemire struggles. Having spent almost his entire career in D'Antoni's non-defensive system, Amare Stoudemire has trouble making defensive reads and rotations. Anthony knows what to do defensively, but simply refuses to do it consistently, the sources said.

Some players believe D'Antoni had the leverage to force Anthony to adjust to his system when he first returned from injury. The Knicks were rolling, showing they could win without Anthony, and their fan base was believing in D'Antoni's system. If D'Antoni had checked Anthony, perhaps even benching him, when he strayed from the offense, the players and fans would have been behind the coach and Anthony would have had no choice but to conform. But D'Antoni, ever the one to avoid confrontation with his players, would not do it, and now it's too late. That's when he lost the locker room for good.

Now, the players believe they need a coach who will hold players, especially the stars like Anthony and Stoudemire, accountable, the sources said. They do not believe D'Antoni is willing or able to do it.

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On top of that, Baron Davis, who just returned from a back injury, is unhappy with his limited role as Lin's backup.
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"The only way this is going to work is if we have a coach that will hold Melo accountable and teach Melo, Amare and Jeremy how to play winning basketball," a source said.

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3/14/2012  7:55 AM
With all the pile-on Melo threads, just wanted to point out that it seems like other players in the locker room are also questioning the coach.
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3/14/2012  7:56 AM
Source: Anthony, at odds with D’Antoni, plots Knicks exit
By MARC BERMAN
Last Updated: 7:51 AM, March 14, 2012
Posted: 12:58 AM, March 14, 2012
Carmelo Anthony’s discontent with the Knicks organization became so severe after Monday night’s loss to the Bulls, he told a confidant he preferred to be traded before Thursday’s trade deadline, The Post has learned.

According to a person familiar with his thinking, Anthony’s disillusionment stems most from a belief coach Mike D’Antoni and interim GM Glen Grunwald do not trust him. He is surprised that after all the Knicks gave up to trade for him, he has not been asked for more input on personnel decisions, as Deron Williams has with the Nets.

“The organization makes believe his opinions don’t matter,’’ the source said.

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However, Tuesday night, a source said Anthony and D’Antoni spoke in an attempt to reconcile their differences and made headway. On Monday night, Anthony only wanted to remain a Knick if he had assurances D’Antoni wouldn’t be back next season.

However, Anthony will not make a formal trade request.

As The Post reported Tuesday, Anthony was told after the Knicks were swept out of the playoffs by the Celtics last April that D’Antoni would not return for this season.

But now Anthony does not believe a decision on D’Antoni’s future is coming soon because D’Antoni and Grunwald, according to the source, are “like a couple.’’

Anthony was unavailable for comment Tuesday as the Knicks did not practice. It is against NBA rules to publicly state a desire to be traded.

According to the source, Grunwald has had just one conversation with Anthony since he became GM. And D’Antoni rarely talks to Anthony after games, especially since Anthony’s return from a groin injury. The Knicks have lost 8 of 10 games since then to fall to 18-24 and out of playoff position.

Anthony is not close to owner James Dolan the way Amar’e Stoudemire is. The source said Anthony gets along best with assistant GM Allan Houston, who eventually could succeed Grunwald.

“He knows Glen doesn’t like him,’’ the source said.

It would seem unlikely — and ill-advised — for the Knicks to pull off a trade for Anthony on such short notice before Thursday’s deadline.

Though Stoudemire lobbied for the Knicks to trade for Anthony, the pair’s friendship has not flourished.

“They’re not as close as people think they are,’’ the source said. “It’s an awkward relationship.’’

Anthony is not jealous of Jeremy Lin’s global fame, according to the source. Lin, the source said, is Anthony’s favorite teammate, and Anthony feels they could be like the Thunder duo of Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook.

According to the source, when Nuggets general manager Masai Ujiri tried to convince Anthony to stay in Denver last season, he repeatedly told Anthony he never would be able to handle the New York media. But Anthony believes the media has been the least of his problems and wished there was more feedback from his superiors.

Anthony has endured a poor season, shooting just 40 percent from the field while averaging 21.3 points and has not played well recently on defense.

D’Antoni rarely speaks in the same reverential tones about Anthony as he does about Lin, Stoudemire and Tyson Chandler.

When D’Antoni was asked after Monday’s loss to the Bulls if Anthony looked frustrated, D’Antoni replied, “More than normal, you mean? I don’t know. You’ll have to ask him.’’

Anthony appeared agitated on the court during the game and failed to join the huddle after the third quarter, though he said that is not uncommon. Though Anthony has expressed concern about his role in the offense, many play sets contain Anthony post-ups.

Anthony seemed extremely unhappy after the Knicks’ losing streak reached six games in Chicago.

“It [stinks],’’ Anthony said. “The situation we’re in right now [stinks]. Losing basketball games the way we’ve been losing games at the end of the game [stinks]. It’s not a good feeling right now.’’

marc.berman@nypost.com

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/source_anthony_at_odds_with_antoni_YjNqpRkBHjhTuavBXv5IhJ#ixzz1p5iz5pT4

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3/14/2012  8:06 AM
Uptown wrote:With all the pile-on Melo threads, just wanted to point out that it seems like other players in the locker room are also questioning the coach.

cancer players do that. Obviously Melo has ruined any chemistry. 8-1 without and 10-23 with?

Hey TMac ran Doc Rivers out of town in Orlando. Overhyped overvalued "stars" have chased good coaches out of town before. Looks like this will be more of the same

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3/14/2012  8:28 AM
fishmike wrote:
Uptown wrote:With all the pile-on Melo threads, just wanted to point out that it seems like other players in the locker room are also questioning the coach.

cancer players do that. Obviously Melo has ruined any chemistry. 8-1 without and 10-23 with?

Hey TMac ran Doc Rivers out of town in Orlando. Overhyped overvalued "stars" have chased good coaches out of town before. Looks like this will be more of the same

It's a lot easier for the players to question the coach than to question themselves.

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3/14/2012  8:30 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/14/2012  8:30 AM
fishmike wrote:
Uptown wrote:With all the pile-on Melo threads, just wanted to point out that it seems like other players in the locker room are also questioning the coach.

cancer players do that. Obviously Melo has ruined any chemistry. 8-1 without and 10-23 with?

Hey TMac ran Doc Rivers out of town in Orlando. Overhyped overvalued "stars" have chased good coaches out of town before. Looks like this will be more of the same

yep. exactly the situation i was thinking of. melo reminds me of tmac, especially with the weird reverance he inspires without actually winning.

these articles are all being fed by melo's agency CAA. hatchet pieces meant to lay down an ultimatum to dolan - him or me.

get rid of melo, we're never winning a single playoff series with him.

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3/14/2012  8:35 AM
Agreed, I choose MDA. Sorry but I cannot stand the player who thinks its all about them.

I did not like the way Lebron handled "the decision" but he did realize that he need a team to win.

Melo has not realized that more the team succeeds, the more he would be seen as a savior. So the more he buys into the system and the more the team wins, even if he is scoring 12 points a game, the more he would be idolized here. Someone needs to sit this young man down and talk to him.

He will never succeed in the NBA with his attitude now.

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3/14/2012  8:38 AM
melo doesnt make rooting for him any easier, that's for sure. Who other than Melo's people/himself knows how many times Grunwald and him have spoken? or is it made up sources?
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3/14/2012  8:39 AM
I was shocked when I read the article. Either Melo or MDA has to go.
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3/14/2012  8:44 AM
crzymdups wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Uptown wrote:With all the pile-on Melo threads, just wanted to point out that it seems like other players in the locker room are also questioning the coach.

cancer players do that. Obviously Melo has ruined any chemistry. 8-1 without and 10-23 with?

Hey TMac ran Doc Rivers out of town in Orlando. Overhyped overvalued "stars" have chased good coaches out of town before. Looks like this will be more of the same

yep. exactly the situation i was thinking of. melo reminds me of tmac, especially with the weird reverance he inspires without actually winning.

these articles are all being fed by melo's agency CAA. hatchet pieces meant to lay down an ultimatum to dolan - him or me.

get rid of melo, we're never winning a single playoff series with him.

ironically TMac at his best was >>>> than Melo at his best. Remember TMac was a great defender and used to kill Allan Houston who could score on anyone (50+ on Kobe). They are the same cloth though.... me first superstats
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3/14/2012  8:47 AM
TheGame wrote:I was shocked when I read the article. Either Melo or MDA has to go.

Yes. And I would choose MDA to stay. Not because he did no wrong, he did!

I would choose him, because the concept of team always trumps the concept of ME in a friggin TEAM SPORT like BBall.

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3/14/2012  8:51 AM
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TheGame wrote:I was shocked when I read the article. Either Melo or MDA has to go.

Yes. And I would choose MDA to stay. Not because he did no wrong, he did!

I would choose him, because the concept of team always trumps the concept of ME in a friggin TEAM SPORT like BBall.

And the saddest thing about this, is that the Knicks actually had a descent good team that could make some noise in the playoff. Yet the QUITTER is sabotaging the entire Knicks season and BREAKING THE FAN’S HEART ALONG THE WAY. Fu(<!ng UNREAL.

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3/14/2012  8:55 AM
KnicksFE wrote:
SteveSmith wrote:
TheGame wrote:I was shocked when I read the article. Either Melo or MDA has to go.

Yes. And I would choose MDA to stay. Not because he did no wrong, he did!

I would choose him, because the concept of team always trumps the concept of ME in a friggin TEAM SPORT like BBall.

And the saddest thing about this, is that the Knicks actually had a descent good team that could make some noise in the playoff. Yet the QUITTER is sabotaging the entire Knicks season and BREAKING THE FAN’S HEART ALONG THE WAY. Fu(<!ng UNREAL.

They still have the very same team. They might even get back to playing good BBall.

Thats the main reason I hoped for an MDA extension earlier this year. If it was clear for Melo that he had to play with MDA for some more years, maybe he had tryed playing along? Maybe, just maybe he would have liked winning? Exploiting teams in ways he never dreamed of?

And if it really doesnt work out? Whats 20 mio for Dolan if he fires MDA?

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3/14/2012  9:11 AM
this article just confirms all the things Melo vehemently denies about himself—HE IS a selfish A-Hole.

hate this guy...

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3/14/2012  9:11 AM
SteveSmith wrote:
KnicksFE wrote:
SteveSmith wrote:
TheGame wrote:I was shocked when I read the article. Either Melo or MDA has to go.

Yes. And I would choose MDA to stay. Not because he did no wrong, he did!

I would choose him, because the concept of team always trumps the concept of ME in a friggin TEAM SPORT like BBall.

And the saddest thing about this, is that the Knicks actually had a descent good team that could make some noise in the playoff. Yet the QUITTER is sabotaging the entire Knicks season and BREAKING THE FAN’S HEART ALONG THE WAY. Fu(<!ng UNREAL.

They still have the very same team. They might even get back to playing good BBall.

Thats the main reason I hoped for an MDA extension earlier this year. If it was clear for Melo that he had to play with MDA for some more years, maybe he had tryed playing along? Maybe, just maybe he would have liked winning? Exploiting teams in ways he never dreamed of?

And if it really doesnt work out? Whats 20 mio for Dolan if he fires MDA?

We may still have the same team but we also have a Quitter bringing the team down with him, a very difficult situation to deal with right now.

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3/14/2012  9:21 AM
I have a book for Melo from our former head coach: http://www.amazon.com/Winner-Within-Life-Plan-Players/dp/0425141756. It could have been written about the current Knicks, even though it was about the Showtime Lakers. But Melo ain't got no Magic in him.

I say we get the best deal we can for this team cancer foo.

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3/14/2012  9:28 AM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Agreed, I choose MDA. Sorry but I cannot stand the player who thinks its all about them.

I did not like the way Lebron handled "the decision" but he did realize that he need a team to win.

Melo has not realized that more the team succeeds, the more he would be seen as a savior. So the more he buys into the system and the more the team wins, even if he is scoring 12 points a game, the more he would be idolized here. Someone needs to sit this young man down and talk to him.

He will never succeed in the NBA with his attitude now.

He has succeeded. He is an allstar with a max contract.

We empowered him when we aquired him.

Next season we'll have another coach, Melo will avg 27 pts, we'll win 50 games and Melo lovers will be happy to have a star phuching them. The team will be fine and thats all Dolan cares about.

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3/14/2012  9:35 AM
Nalod wrote:
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:Agreed, I choose MDA. Sorry but I cannot stand the player who thinks its all about them.

I did not like the way Lebron handled "the decision" but he did realize that he need a team to win.

Melo has not realized that more the team succeeds, the more he would be seen as a savior. So the more he buys into the system and the more the team wins, even if he is scoring 12 points a game, the more he would be idolized here. Someone needs to sit this young man down and talk to him.

He will never succeed in the NBA with his attitude now.

He has succeeded. He is an allstar with a max contract.

We empowered him when we aquired him.

Next season we'll have another coach, Melo will avg 27 pts, we'll win 50 games and Melo lovers will be happy to have a star phuching them. The team will be fine and thats all Dolan cares about.

What is wrong with winning? You seem disinterested in winning. Isn't that all your suppose to care about the team being fine.

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3/14/2012  9:37 AM
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Uptown wrote:With all the pile-on Melo threads, just wanted to point out that it seems like other players in the locker room are also questioning the coach.

cancer players do that. Obviously Melo has ruined any chemistry. 8-1 without and 10-23 with?

Hey TMac ran Doc Rivers out of town in Orlando. Overhyped overvalued "stars" have chased good coaches out of town before. Looks like this will be more of the same

121-167 overall for MDA since he's been here. Stop it with the small smaple sizes. MDA has numerous 9 game, 7 and 5 game losing streaks well before Melo even got here. Stop defending this guy. He's done a poor job overall. BTW, the Knicks ended last season 7-1 with Melo.

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3/14/2012  9:40 AM
BTW, how in the world did this cancer win 50+ games in Denver? How did he take that lotto organization to a perenial playoff team? And before anyone brings up the 1st round playoff exits, please consider that the Nuggs were usually the road team without homecourt adantage losing to the likes of the Lakers and Spurs....
MDA has lost the team....

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