NYK's offense, defense better w/out Melo

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/14169/stats-nyk-scoring-defending-better-wout-melo

By Ian Begley
The Knicks are 2-8 since Carmelo Anthony returned from injury on Feb. 20.

They were 7-1 in the eight games Anthony missed due to injury (he played just six minutes in the Knicks win over Utah on Feb. 6, so we're counting that one, too).

It's unfair to pin all of New York's struggles on Anthony. Jeremy Lin has come back down to earth a bit, Mike D'Antoni has tinkered again and again with the rotation, the schedule's been difficult and they missed Tyson Chanlder on defense for two games.

But the numbers are pretty staggering.

Since Anthony returned on Feb. 20, the Knicks are averaging 109.8 points per 100 possessions with Anthony off the floor and just 97.6 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor.

Even worse, they are allowing 107.1 points per 100 possessions with Anthony on the floor and just 95.1 points per 100 with him off the floor.

They're also shooting 5.6 percent better with Anthony off the floor. With Anthony on the floor, opponents are shooting 4.5 percent higher. Yikes.

Damning numbers, to be sure. One thing to remember: the Knicks' second unit has played well at times since Anthony's return, so that's one factor in the statistical splits.

martin wrote:No idea how to substantiate the below

NYK's offense, defense better w/out Melo

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/14169/stats-nyk-scoring-defending-better-wout-melo

By Ian Begley
The Knicks are 2-8 since Carmelo Anthony returned from injury on Feb. 20.

They were 7-1 in the eight games Anthony missed due to injury (he played just six minutes in the Knicks win over Utah on Feb. 6, so we're counting that one, too).

It's unfair to pin all of New York's struggles on Anthony. Jeremy Lin has come back down to earth a bit, Mike D'Antoni has tinkered again and again with the rotation, the schedule's been difficult and they missed Tyson Chanlder on defense for two games.

But the numbers are pretty staggering.

Since Anthony returned on Feb. 20, the Knicks are averaging 109.8 points per 100 possessions with Anthony off the floor and just 97.6 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor.

Even worse, they are allowing 107.1 points per 100 possessions with Anthony on the floor and just 95.1 points per 100 with him off the floor.

They're also shooting 5.6 percent better with Anthony off the floor. With Anthony on the floor, opponents are shooting 4.5 percent higher. Yikes.

Damning numbers, to be sure. One thing to remember: the Knicks' second unit has played well at times since Anthony's return, so that's one factor in the statistical splits.

ugly stats for superstarmelo.

martin wrote:No idea how to substantiate the below

NYK's offense, defense better w/out Melo

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/14169/stats-nyk-scoring-defending-better-wout-melo

By Ian Begley
The Knicks are 2-8 since Carmelo Anthony returned from injury on Feb. 20.

They were 7-1 in the eight games Anthony missed due to injury (he played just six minutes in the Knicks win over Utah on Feb. 6, so we're counting that one, too).

It's unfair to pin all of New York's struggles on Anthony. Jeremy Lin has come back down to earth a bit, Mike D'Antoni has tinkered again and again with the rotation, the schedule's been difficult and they missed Tyson Chanlder on defense for two games.

But the numbers are pretty staggering.

Since Anthony returned on Feb. 20, the Knicks are averaging 109.8 points per 100 possessions with Anthony off the floor and just 97.6 points per 100 possessions with him on the floor.

Even worse, they are allowing 107.1 points per 100 possessions with Anthony on the floor and just 95.1 points per 100 with him off the floor.

They're also shooting 5.6 percent better with Anthony off the floor. With Anthony on the floor, opponents are shooting 4.5 percent higher. Yikes.

Damning numbers, to be sure. One thing to remember: the Knicks' second unit has played well at times since Anthony's return, so that's one factor in the statistical splits.

Now you are just starting trouble

I guess it's obvious which camp you are in. I wonder if that sways the partisan spectrum on this site. By default, it must. I am curious what the split is anyway.

Pro MDA
Anti MDA
Agnostic - blame gets shared

Lets not forget no JJ. He was/is the new glue guy. Sorry Landry.

nixluva wrote:It's clear as day!!! When Lin came on the scene and Melo was out of the picture, the team quickly came together, playing TEAM BALL. It wasn't about the opposition. It was about the style of play. The energy of the players. The thing is that they didn't play great offensively, but they were GREAT defensively. During the Steak the team was holding teams to about 93 pts per 100 possessions, which is excellent. Teams weren't shooting a high % either.

Now when you add to this equation that with Melo the pace slows down on both ends. We have less ball and player movement cuz as soon as Melo gets it the movement stops, so he can do his thing. It doesn't have to be like that. MDA tried to run plays where there was motion off of Melo post ups. It wasn't totally consistent, but I think if they worked on it and if Melo was committed to it they could find success.

The best example for Melo in my mind is Pierce. Pierce just fits in now. He's not trying to Dominate the game anymore. He does step up when it's needed and is very clutch. That's what Melo could do, but I think he still wants to be the ball dominant star.

Its all cause we are missing JJ. Especially the defensive numbers. If JJ comes back and we sit Melo, we can finally go back to playing 800 ball. Its as clear as day! I SEE THE LIGHT! AMEN!

And Melo will need to start thinking how to adjust to his next coach.

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's clear as day!!! When Lin came on the scene and Melo was out of the picture, the team quickly came together, playing TEAM BALL. It wasn't about the opposition. It was about the style of play. The energy of the players. The thing is that they didn't play great offensively, but they were GREAT defensively. During the Steak the team was holding teams to about 93 pts per 100 possessions, which is excellent. Teams weren't shooting a high % either.

Now when you add to this equation that with Melo the pace slows down on both ends. We have less ball and player movement cuz as soon as Melo gets it the movement stops, so he can do his thing. It doesn't have to be like that. MDA tried to run plays where there was motion off of Melo post ups. It wasn't totally consistent, but I think if they worked on it and if Melo was committed to it they could find success.

The best example for Melo in my mind is Pierce. Pierce just fits in now. He's not trying to Dominate the game anymore. He does step up when it's needed and is very clutch. That's what Melo could do, but I think he still wants to be the ball dominant star.

Its all cause we are missing JJ. Especially the defensive numbers. If JJ comes back and we sit Melo, we can finally go back to playing 800 ball. Its as clear as day! I SEE THE LIGHT! AMEN!

And Melo will need to start thinking how to adjust to his next coach.

Nah, Melo will carry us to even greater heights than 800! You just know it. Who believes in a kid that just got promoted from the bench and got a group of backups to play better than expected when it obviously was the easy schedule. Melo has been in this league longer and arrived as a star, so of course he has this under control.

2-8 with him? Nah, that's just false.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's clear as day!!! When Lin came on the scene and Melo was out of the picture, the team quickly came together, playing TEAM BALL. It wasn't about the opposition. It was about the style of play. The energy of the players. The thing is that they didn't play great offensively, but they were GREAT defensively. During the Steak the team was holding teams to about 93 pts per 100 possessions, which is excellent. Teams weren't shooting a high % either.

Now when you add to this equation that with Melo the pace slows down on both ends. We have less ball and player movement cuz as soon as Melo gets it the movement stops, so he can do his thing. It doesn't have to be like that. MDA tried to run plays where there was motion off of Melo post ups. It wasn't totally consistent, but I think if they worked on it and if Melo was committed to it they could find success.

The best example for Melo in my mind is Pierce. Pierce just fits in now. He's not trying to Dominate the game anymore. He does step up when it's needed and is very clutch. That's what Melo could do, but I think he still wants to be the ball dominant star.

Its all cause we are missing JJ. Especially the defensive numbers. If JJ comes back and we sit Melo, we can finally go back to playing 800 ball. Its as clear as day! I SEE THE LIGHT! AMEN!

And Melo will need to start thinking how to adjust to his next coach.

Nah, Melo will carry us to even greater heights than 800! You just know it. Who believes in a kid that just got promoted from the bench and got a group of backups to play better than expected when it obviously was the easy schedule. Melo has been in this league longer and arrived as a star, so of course he has this under control.

2-8 with him? Nah, that's just false.

hahaha - touche!

I guess we will see soon under the new coach how this will turn out.

Melo's been an inefficient chucker under all coaches. Why would it be any different under the next one?

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's clear as day!!! When Lin came on the scene and Melo was out of the picture, the team quickly came together, playing TEAM BALL. It wasn't about the opposition. It was about the style of play. The energy of the players. The thing is that they didn't play great offensively, but they were GREAT defensively. During the Steak the team was holding teams to about 93 pts per 100 possessions, which is excellent. Teams weren't shooting a high % either.

Now when you add to this equation that with Melo the pace slows down on both ends. We have less ball and player movement cuz as soon as Melo gets it the movement stops, so he can do his thing. It doesn't have to be like that. MDA tried to run plays where there was motion off of Melo post ups. It wasn't totally consistent, but I think if they worked on it and if Melo was committed to it they could find success.

The best example for Melo in my mind is Pierce. Pierce just fits in now. He's not trying to Dominate the game anymore. He does step up when it's needed and is very clutch. That's what Melo could do, but I think he still wants to be the ball dominant star.

Its all cause we are missing JJ. Especially the defensive numbers. If JJ comes back and we sit Melo, we can finally go back to playing 800 ball. Its as clear as day! I SEE THE LIGHT! AMEN!

And Melo will need to start thinking how to adjust to his next coach.

Nah, Melo will carry us to even greater heights than 800! You just know it. Who believes in a kid that just got promoted from the bench and got a group of backups to play better than expected when it obviously was the easy schedule. Melo has been in this league longer and arrived as a star, so of course he has this under control.

2-8 with him? Nah, that's just false.

hahaha - touche!

I guess we will see soon under the new coach how this will turn out.

Melo's been an inefficient chucker under all coaches. Why would it be any different under the next one?

If Melo was an inefficient chucker then so was kobe - stats are almost exact. Oh, but who has the time to check stats? ME!

Kobe is more efficient. He has a slightly higher TS% and much better assist turnover ratio.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's clear as day!!! When Lin came on the scene and Melo was out of the picture, the team quickly came together, playing TEAM BALL. It wasn't about the opposition. It was about the style of play. The energy of the players. The thing is that they didn't play great offensively, but they were GREAT defensively. During the Steak the team was holding teams to about 93 pts per 100 possessions, which is excellent. Teams weren't shooting a high % either.

Now when you add to this equation that with Melo the pace slows down on both ends. We have less ball and player movement cuz as soon as Melo gets it the movement stops, so he can do his thing. It doesn't have to be like that. MDA tried to run plays where there was motion off of Melo post ups. It wasn't totally consistent, but I think if they worked on it and if Melo was committed to it they could find success.

The best example for Melo in my mind is Pierce. Pierce just fits in now. He's not trying to Dominate the game anymore. He does step up when it's needed and is very clutch. That's what Melo could do, but I think he still wants to be the ball dominant star.

Its all cause we are missing JJ. Especially the defensive numbers. If JJ comes back and we sit Melo, we can finally go back to playing 800 ball. Its as clear as day! I SEE THE LIGHT! AMEN!

And Melo will need to start thinking how to adjust to his next coach.

Nah, Melo will carry us to even greater heights than 800! You just know it. Who believes in a kid that just got promoted from the bench and got a group of backups to play better than expected when it obviously was the easy schedule. Melo has been in this league longer and arrived as a star, so of course he has this under control.

2-8 with him? Nah, that's just false.

hahaha - touche!

I guess we will see soon under the new coach how this will turn out.

Melo's been an inefficient chucker under all coaches. Why would it be any different under the next one?

If Melo was an inefficient chucker then so was kobe - stats are almost exact. Oh, but who has the time to check stats? ME!

Kobe is more efficient. He has a slightly higher TS% and much better assist turnover ratio.

Is that all ya got? I can live with that.

Including this sh1tty year:

Kobe vs Melo (Offense)
-----------------------
Pts Kobe=25.4 vs Melo=24.7
Reb Kobe=5.3 vs Melo=6.3
Assist Kobe=4.7 vs Melo=3.1
Turnovers Kobe=3.0 vs Melo=2.7
FG% Kobe=45.4 vs Melo=45.6
3 pt FG% Kobe=33.6 vs Melo=31.9
FT Attempts kobe=7.6 vs Melo=7.8
FT % Kobe=83% vs Melo=80%

Bonn, be fair. Its not exact but its damn close! And, Melo's numbers this year did not help him here.

And then we have this thing called Defense.
Case closed.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's clear as day!!! When Lin came on the scene and Melo was out of the picture, the team quickly came together, playing TEAM BALL. It wasn't about the opposition. It was about the style of play. The energy of the players. The thing is that they didn't play great offensively, but they were GREAT defensively. During the Steak the team was holding teams to about 93 pts per 100 possessions, which is excellent. Teams weren't shooting a high % either.

Now when you add to this equation that with Melo the pace slows down on both ends. We have less ball and player movement cuz as soon as Melo gets it the movement stops, so he can do his thing. It doesn't have to be like that. MDA tried to run plays where there was motion off of Melo post ups. It wasn't totally consistent, but I think if they worked on it and if Melo was committed to it they could find success.

The best example for Melo in my mind is Pierce. Pierce just fits in now. He's not trying to Dominate the game anymore. He does step up when it's needed and is very clutch. That's what Melo could do, but I think he still wants to be the ball dominant star.

Its all cause we are missing JJ. Especially the defensive numbers. If JJ comes back and we sit Melo, we can finally go back to playing 800 ball. Its as clear as day! I SEE THE LIGHT! AMEN!

And Melo will need to start thinking how to adjust to his next coach.

Nah, Melo will carry us to even greater heights than 800! You just know it. Who believes in a kid that just got promoted from the bench and got a group of backups to play better than expected when it obviously was the easy schedule. Melo has been in this league longer and arrived as a star, so of course he has this under control.

2-8 with him? Nah, that's just false.

hahaha - touche!

I guess we will see soon under the new coach how this will turn out.

Melo's been an inefficient chucker under all coaches. Why would it be any different under the next one?

If Melo was an inefficient chucker then so was kobe - stats are almost exact. Oh, but who has the time to check stats? ME!

kobe plays defense as well as he plays offense..

knicks1248 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's clear as day!!! When Lin came on the scene and Melo was out of the picture, the team quickly came together, playing TEAM BALL. It wasn't about the opposition. It was about the style of play. The energy of the players. The thing is that they didn't play great offensively, but they were GREAT defensively. During the Steak the team was holding teams to about 93 pts per 100 possessions, which is excellent. Teams weren't shooting a high % either.

Now when you add to this equation that with Melo the pace slows down on both ends. We have less ball and player movement cuz as soon as Melo gets it the movement stops, so he can do his thing. It doesn't have to be like that. MDA tried to run plays where there was motion off of Melo post ups. It wasn't totally consistent, but I think if they worked on it and if Melo was committed to it they could find success.

The best example for Melo in my mind is Pierce. Pierce just fits in now. He's not trying to Dominate the game anymore. He does step up when it's needed and is very clutch. That's what Melo could do, but I think he still wants to be the ball dominant star.

Its all cause we are missing JJ. Especially the defensive numbers. If JJ comes back and we sit Melo, we can finally go back to playing 800 ball. Its as clear as day! I SEE THE LIGHT! AMEN!

And Melo will need to start thinking how to adjust to his next coach.

Nah, Melo will carry us to even greater heights than 800! You just know it. Who believes in a kid that just got promoted from the bench and got a group of backups to play better than expected when it obviously was the easy schedule. Melo has been in this league longer and arrived as a star, so of course he has this under control.

2-8 with him? Nah, that's just false.

hahaha - touche!

I guess we will see soon under the new coach how this will turn out.

Melo's been an inefficient chucker under all coaches. Why would it be any different under the next one?

If Melo was an inefficient chucker then so was kobe - stats are almost exact. Oh, but who has the time to check stats? ME!

kobe plays defense as well as he plays offense..

I did not know that. Wierd wild stuff!