Now Stat only grabbed 3. Must have not wanted to detract from his shooting, which finally returned.

franco12 wrote:I was going to make a snide comment about Carmelo's rebounding, but he actually seemed to hold his own.
Now Stat only grabbed 3. Must have not wanted to detract from his shooting, which finally returned.

No he didn't, Melo had like 5 or 6 rebound in the first quarter alone, I fail to understand why he only had 2 or 3 the rest of the way.

And yes, STAT was redicules.

KnicksFE wrote:

CashMoney wrote:He had one play where he missed two layups and got fouled on the 3rd. No arguing he could have played better but he had a decent game last night. The reason the Knicks lost was not becuase of MELO shooting 8 of 21 but because the Bulls doubled the Knicks on the boards and scored over 20 on 2nd chance points. If Melo shoots 11 of 21 we still lose.

I totally disagree, to me the Knicks are losing because Melo and Amare are not dominating the offensive side of the ball, do you realize how many good opportunities that would create for other players on the Knicks if they were doing so. How that would force other teams to adjust to them?
Then you topple that with their atrocious defense and lack of hustle and ended up with a minus on your 3 and 4 spot.

The Knicks scored 99 points, which is a decent/good score for a basketball game. I'm less focused on the offense and on our defense and rebounding. This is admittedly a small sample, but take a look at the GOOD/DECENT teams that won last night -- Milwaukee, Utah, San Antonio, Boston or the night before, they held their opponents to 100 or less.

It's not the offense that needs work on this team, it's the defense, rebounding.

I know we have different POVs and i"m not going to win you over, but I'm of the school that believes that effective, consistent defense is a better threat than being able to score 110-120 points in a game.

And on this point, I have to give Melo more credit; he's got his faults, but he's a visibly better individual defender/rebounder than Amare. Both need to work on their team defense, especially Amare since he's in the middle many times more. And that's why all his statements are sounding like PR statements more than a real resolve.

RoyBatty wrote:But to be an elite contender you need defense. The NBA is composed of very good athletes; without defense, save for the bottom 5 teams, almost any team can go to a 120+ with what we consider even "scrubs." The most dominant teams had very good defense -- the Dobermans (Pippen and Jordan) with Rodman rebounding annoying the hell out of any forward or center; Spurs, Lakers with Shaq, the Celtics with Garnett and Rondo.

I know we have different POVs and i"m not going to win you over, but I'm of the school that believes that effective, consistent defense is a better threat than being able to score 110-120 points in a game.

And on this point, I have to give Melo more credit; he's got his faults, but he's a visibly better individual defender/rebounder than Amare. Both need to work on their team defense, especially Amare since he's in the middle many times more. And that's why all his statements are sounding like PR statements more than a real resolve.

I totally agree that to be an elite contender you need defense, however the Knicks are nowhere near that level, a wise man (actually is was Allan Houston) once said in order to win consistently in the NBA whatever you bring to the team, bring it consistently.

I’m not advocating for more offence, I would like the Knicks to establish themselves as a winning team on a consistent basis period regardles of the method (at least beating the teams they are suppose to), before we sort it out how to be elite contender. By the way, you do know the HUGE difference defensively between Pippen & Jordan or Garnett & Rondo and our beloved Melo and Amare right?

Vmart wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Yea, they absolutely slaughtered us on the boards. It was unreal.

They get slaughtered on this board to. Its unreal.

Hahahahahhaa!

If they were to play basketball, this board might be more understanding.

crzymdups wrote:Melo seems to float through games and play worse as it goes along if he's not touching the ball on every play. Some systems allow for this, some don't.

I've been saying this for a while, but now it's becoming glaring - I don't think D'Antoni and Melo work. One of them needs to go. It'll probably be MDA. But if the Knicks don't get Phil Jackson, who will they get?

I wish we could bring in Rick Adelman or JVG.

Paul Westphal is available.