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3/12/2012  1:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/12/2012  1:30 PM
A surface look at our coaches record is 121 and 166. That alone, merits removal from his job. Coaches in other organizations have been fired with much better records than that. But lets look beneath the surface.

We've been so bad for so long, that we look at very miniscule portions of a season (I.E. a 7-1 streak) to say, "Look, see it does work!" Or even in a game we'll point out a 4-5 min stretch when a certain combination plays well, and we'll say, "See, I told you we play better when Melo or Stat are sitting!" I can find 6-7 min stretches of games when the Bobcats look like they are on the verge of contending. Hell, we can find a game when the BoBcats look like world-beaters, just flashback to when they faced off against our defense.

What I'm saying is, you can't magnify these minute scenarios to justify certain player combinations or to evaluate the coach. You need to look at the big picture. All good to avareage teams go on small winning streaks during a season. But its the really good teams that avoid the long losing streaks. Under MDA's tenure, we've had horrific losing streaks:

2008-09:
lost 6 straight twice , lost 8 of 9, lost 10 of 12, lost 9 of 10, lost 6 of 8, and lost 8 of 10.

2009-10
Lost 8 of 9 to the start the season, lost 6 straight, lost 5 straight, lost 8 straight, lost 4 straight, and lost 9 of 10.

2010-11
Lost 5 straight, lost 6 straight, lost 7 of 8, went on a 13 and 1 win streak which was great, then followed that up by losing 5 of 7.

BTW, for all of those are still clinging to the 7-1 or 8-1 record we had with Melo out, you do know that last years team (Melo and Stat) finished the season 7-1.

Offense:

The bread and butter to our offense is PNR and Read and React. In my opinion, there is way too much freedon in MDA's offense and it doesn't fit the personel. I've been accused of being a Melo guy so to speak, but even I'm not blind to the fact that Melo is a scoring/volume shooter. So is Shump, JR and too an extent Baron Davis. Why would you give a constant green light to volume shooters and not make them run specifc sets and plays that will make them move the ball to player who the play was called for? Kobe is a volume shooter/scorer but he always had to get his within the constaints of the triangle offense. When the defense takes away our PNR, we have nothing to fall back on. Drive and kick is the other option we have, but other Novak, we dont have a consistant shooter. So now what? That leaves the read and react part. Read the defense and react. How many times do we see JR and Shump go one-on-one? Or Baron play with the ball after the PNR has failed and he goes into his showtime act. what is our counter play when the PNR doesn't work?

I'll give MDA credit for having terrific out of bounds plays. But on the court, it looks unorganized. Why not a baseline flex cut for Amare? How about a pin-down, curl play for Melo who would pop up to the elbow for a jumper. Calling actual set-plays forces ball movement becuase your moving the ball 2-3 times to the player who the play for called for as he rubs off back screens, etc.

OR How about taking a look at the personel, scrapping the old playbook all together and designing sets that will work for this team. Pat Riley left his showtime playbook in LA when he arrived here. Stan Van Gundy's 3 point shooting Magic team look a little different that that half-court defensive team he had in Miami before Riles removed him. MDA is being paid 6 million per to figure this out, enough with the excuse that he doesn't have his players.

Defense:
The Dallas Mavs were once known as the Allas Mavs because there was no D in Dallas. Dirk was the poster-child for the defenseless Mavs. Last year and this, Dirk is a major part of one of the best defensive teams in the league. How does this happen? You get a coach in there who stressed defense. Carlise, not only demanded that the players play D, but he put in a defensive system; Match-up zone. Now Dallas has an identity on the defensive end and they match-up zoned there way to a ring. BTW, our current senter, Chandler was the anchor for that great defensive team. Why can't this coach put in a Match-up Zone to cover our deficientcies? How about a consistant defensive system. Are supposed to switch everything or not? If the players are doing it on their own, they you discpline them and hold them accountable.

Lets be real, offense has and always will be at the top of MDA's priority list. Yes, he knows we must play defense, but its not stressed to the point where he's holding guys accountable. It's like a teacher who on the first day of school is super-laid back, is very lax on disclipline, and doesn't pay much attention to the details of his students writing assginments. Then, the classes behaviors get a bit out of control by the winter, writing scores from the state writing assessments are low. The scores ar low because MDA or the teacher was more concerend with the style points but never really rolled up his sleeves and paid attention to the conventions (grammatical details). Never had the defensive details as the top priority of his lesson plans.

In a nut-shell; If its not the coaches for fault that our offense looks stagnant, its not the coaches fault that our defense is very inconsistant and looks pathetic most nights, its not the coaches fault that we begin most games lethargic and fall behind early, its not the coaches fault that we seemingly get outplayed almost every 3rd quarter coming out of halftime, and its not the coaches fault that we hardly ever make any adjustments to successful plays the other teams run against us again and again. If this is the case, I have 2 questions: WTF is he getting paid 6 mil per to do and where do I turn in my resume???

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3/12/2012  2:04 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/12/2012  2:05 PM
I have 2 questions: WTF is he getting paid 6 mil per to do and where do I turn in my resume???

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3/12/2012  2:06 PM
Anji wrote:I have 2 questions: WTF is he getting paid 6 mil per to do and where do I turn in my resume???

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3/12/2012  3:09 PM
Uptown wrote: MDA is being paid 6 million per to figure this out, enough with the excuse that he doesn't have his players.

If we're talking about salaries, Melo & Amare are paid $18 mil a piece.
For that much you better be about to motivate yourself & not seem like
you're doggin' it through a game until the last few minutes.

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3/12/2012  3:10 PM
nyshakespeare wrote:
Uptown wrote: MDA is being paid 6 million per to figure this out, enough with the excuse that he doesn't have his players.

If we're talking about salaries, Melo & Amare are paid $18 mil a piece.
For that much you better be about to motivate yourself & not seem like
you're doggin' it through a game until the last few minutes.

Most logical fans realize this
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3/12/2012  3:13 PM
nyshakespeare wrote:
Uptown wrote: MDA is being paid 6 million per to figure this out, enough with the excuse that he doesn't have his players.

If we're talking about salaries, Melo & Amare are paid $18 mil a piece.
For that much you better be about to motivate yourself & not seem like
you're doggin' it through a game until the last few minutes.

Tell that to the lakers who failed with superstars before PJax got there and again when he left and Rudy T and others tried (Rudy T!!).

PJax please!!

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3/12/2012  3:14 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
nyshakespeare wrote:
Uptown wrote: MDA is being paid 6 million per to figure this out, enough with the excuse that he doesn't have his players.

If we're talking about salaries, Melo & Amare are paid $18 mil a piece.
For that much you better be about to motivate yourself & not seem like
you're doggin' it through a game until the last few minutes.

Tell that to the lakers who failed with superstars before PJax got there and again when he left and Rudy T and others tried (Rudy T!!).

PJax please!!


You have to call PJAX ASAP we know you can do it man
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3/12/2012  3:28 PM
JCrusher wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:
nyshakespeare wrote:
Uptown wrote: MDA is being paid 6 million per to figure this out, enough with the excuse that he doesn't have his players.

If we're talking about salaries, Melo & Amare are paid $18 mil a piece.
For that much you better be about to motivate yourself & not seem like
you're doggin' it through a game until the last few minutes.

Tell that to the lakers who failed with superstars before PJax got there and again when he left and Rudy T and others tried (Rudy T!!).

PJax please!!


You have to call PJAX ASAP we know you can do it man

Please PJax wasn't always able to get his team to play hard. If that was the case he would've won even more titles in LA. Given the talent level it's quite possible many times they just played up to their considerable talent level and didn't need to play above that.


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3/12/2012  3:29 PM
I agree. What some people dont realize is that PJAX had HOF players playing for him. I mean he is not gonna be able to help this group much
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3/12/2012  3:39 PM
JCrusher wrote:I agree. What some people dont realize is that PJAX had HOF players playing for him. I mean he is not gonna be able to help this group much

YUP! PJax didn't just have some good players. He always had All Time greats on his teams. There have rarely been more deadly players than MJ and Kobe or a Dominant Force at Center like Shaq or an ultimate wing man like Pippen. Those are LEGENDARY players. All were clearly the best of this era. Can the same be said for STAT and Melo??? This time PJax won't be going into battle with the best.

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3/12/2012  3:41 PM
nixluva wrote:
JCrusher wrote:I agree. What some people dont realize is that PJAX had HOF players playing for him. I mean he is not gonna be able to help this group much

YUP! PJax didn't just have some good players. He always had All Time greats on his teams. There have rarely been more deadly players than MJ and Kobe or a Dominant Force at Center like Shaq or an ultimate wing man like Pippen. Those are LEGENDARY players. All were clearly the best of this era. Can the same be said for STAT and Melo??? This time PJax won't be going into battle with the best.


Exactly. I mean in this era alone we can put many players above our two "stars"
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3/12/2012  4:00 PM

I'd like to think PJax had something to do with making Jordan and Kobe into the killers they became.

We talk about Lebron at this stage has yet to accomplish the goal of a chip because he might not have it in him.

I do think Talent alone will get him one.

Lebron is not the sociopath winner that Kobe and more so Jordan was.

Melo on the other hand is really just a happy dude hitting points, smiling and enjoying life.

Nothing wrong with that, but its gonna get ugly here and quick. When you do what he did and forced a trade he kind of bought this upon himself.

If Phil Jax has to bring him to the mountain and torture him into he is trained into a killer than bring him on and send him away.

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3/12/2012  4:03 PM
I think we should take a beneath-the-couch look at our surface. It's way dusty down there.
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3/12/2012  5:51 PM
Nalod wrote:
I'd like to think PJax had something to do with making Jordan and Kobe into the killers they became.

We talk about Lebron at this stage has yet to accomplish the goal of a chip because he might not have it in him.

I do think Talent alone will get him one.

Lebron is not the sociopath winner that Kobe and more so Jordan was.

Melo on the other hand is really just a happy dude hitting points, smiling and enjoying life.

Nothing wrong with that, but its gonna get ugly here and quick. When you do what he did and forced a trade he kind of bought this upon himself.

If Phil Jax has to bring him to the mountain and torture him into he is trained into a killer than bring him on and send him away.

You seem to have a problem with Melo smiling while playing a game yet you have no problem with MDA chuckling it up in post game interviews after losses.

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3/12/2012  5:59 PM
nyshakespeare wrote:
Uptown wrote: MDA is being paid 6 million per to figure this out, enough with the excuse that he doesn't have his players.

If we're talking about salaries, Melo & Amare are paid $18 mil a piece.
For that much you better be about to motivate yourself & not seem like
you're doggin' it through a game until the last few minutes.

Just last year the Pacers were underaceiving and playing listless ball. They made a coaching change and they took off, rode high into the playoffs and gave the Bulls a great scare. Now they are back this year, and are one of the top 4 teams in the east with virtually the same team, but a new coach. Sometimes, it is the coach.

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3/12/2012  6:00 PM
Uptown wrote:
nyshakespeare wrote:
Uptown wrote: MDA is being paid 6 million per to figure this out, enough with the excuse that he doesn't have his players.

If we're talking about salaries, Melo & Amare are paid $18 mil a piece.
For that much you better be about to motivate yourself & not seem like
you're doggin' it through a game until the last few minutes.

Just last year the Pacers were underaceiving and playing listless ball. They made a coaching change and they took off, rode high into the playoffs and gave the Bulls a great scare. Now they are back this year, and are one of the top 4 teams in the east with virtually the same team, but a new coach. Sometimes, it is the coach.

Blasphemy!!! You Heretic!

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3/12/2012  6:00 PM
They lost five in a row earlier in the season this year.
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3/12/2012  6:04 PM
Syniko wrote:They lost five in a row earlier in the season this year.

Of course that have. The Knicks have lost at least 5 in row every season for the past 4 years. And who is the 1 common denominator? I'll give you a hint...

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3/12/2012  6:13 PM
Uptown wrote:
Syniko wrote:They lost five in a row earlier in the season this year.

Of course that have. The Knicks have lost at least 5 in row every season for the past 4 years. And who is the 1 common denominator? I'll give you a hint...

Melo was here a 6-game losing streak last season.

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3/12/2012  6:18 PM
Uptown wrote:
Syniko wrote:They lost five in a row earlier in the season this year.

Of course that have. The Knicks have lost at least 5 in row every season for the past 4 years. And who is the 1 common denominator? I'll give you a hint...

We've seen this song and dance for 4 long years. And don't give me the 66 different lineups argument. Heat went through the same thing last year installing new players in new roles, (Melo, Bosh, Wade) each player being the go to player on their previous teams. If Erik Spoelstra, a noob coach could pull this off, why can't a seasoned coach that's been to 2 Western Conference Finals, have his team at least play .500 ball???

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