Is this really true ??? I am a recent converted knicks fan from the suns ( Marbury ). Can someone shed some light on this for me. I don't always believe what a writer prints, i would like to hear your opinions. thanks.

LowRider....welcome....lots of people think it is a bust lots don't and think the trade should be given more time. Tim Thomas has played only 2 full games for the Knicks so my opinion is wait and see.

A good article that opposes the Berman stance written by Ian O'Conner can be read here:

http://www.thejournalnews.com/newsroom/022704/c0127ianc.html

lol.. this is typical NY tabloid crap. How can you judge ANY trade after a weeks worth of games?

I will say the Knicks gave up the best player in KVH, but I understand why they did. The Knicks have a lot of injuries and on top of it all new guys adjusting. Add to that a shooting slump.

Hopefull guys get healthy and we can gel during this very friendly March schedule we have coming up.

I was about the post the same article by OConnor. It is a good one and puts into perspective where the Knicks are now as compared to the Layden era. Come this summer, everyone is trade bait again and NY HAS MANY MORE CHIPS now that they did before. I will bet Andeson could be traded with the expiring contract of Othella and Deke! The point is that the players NY have now (the ones IT brought in) are more attractive to other teams than the players that were here (that Layden brought in!).

Andrew- I think Oconnor articulated very well what you were trying to say in another thread to me the other day.

Gone here
Spoon Norris
Eisley Marbury
Ward TT
KVH NAzr
Doleac DJohnson
Lampe Hardaway
Dice

Seems obvious to me.

Berman's an idiot. Really.

Just before last season got underway, Layden picked up Doleac for less than 2mil (remember how much Spoon made? Knight? Eisley? Shandon? Spree? Houston? Dice?) 2mil is peanuts, the guy was picked up to be a 2nd or 3rd stringer behind KT, Spoon, Othella, Travis, etc. This guy hasn't been in the league very long, and was picked up to be a warm body.

So, Doleac gets a few minutes of garbage time here and there, looks a little stiff. Berman has the nerve, the utter contemptible gall to print repeatedly that Doleac is a bust. Huh? Doleac was never supposed to be a boom, so how could he be a bust. It's like saying Dermarr is a bust. A guy who comes deep off your bench isn't likely to change a team's fortunes. Some fans may not understand that, but a veteran sports "journalist" should.

On top of that, Doleac kept getting better, hitting his shots, getting solid R's in short minutes. Still, Berman calls him a bust.

This year, Doleac was our most dependable bench player. Consistent. Not Bill Russell, but did his job and for far less than the other scrubs off the bench.

Did Berman ever write a retraction? No. Did he eat crow? No. He's a fat slob writing for a rag of a tabloid, a paper that routinely prints code-word bigot statements of all kinds (racist, nationalist, sexist, you name it).

Hey, you guys think I don't care much for the Post? C'mon, sometimes it's entertaining because it's so angry and mean, just like most of Rupert Murdoch's swill.

Is this trade a bust? Please, maybe Berman should read today's Daily News, which pretty much sums up the East. Except for three teams, and maybe the Hornets, they all suck. Isiah is trying to build a great team for next year and the one after. He knows full well he can have a transitional roster this season and still make the playoffs. He's building a team for Marbury. KVH and Doleac, while both solid this season, are not right for the Marbury offense. We've got injuries and new faces. It ain't a bust unless they somehow fall out of the playoff picture. So far, no threat of that happening.

And now I will say good day to you.

I SAID GOOD DAY!!!

It is way too early to call this trade a bust. It hasnt benefitted the team yet - but even if it worked out next year, you couldn't call it a bust. Yes the team was winning with KVH and are losing after he was traded. However, the Knicks picked up a center who is young to replace the dinosaur we have stuck in the paint right now - and TT is not the worst SF in the league.

However, if the trade Doleac for Nazir could have been done straight up - keeping KVH here - I would have preferred that. But it was all about the #'s(aka $$$), and Zeke addressed this teams biggest need - youth and potential talent at the 5 - which we havent had since EWING. If Nazir doesnt pan out then this trade was a failure, give it some time.

Listen to what you guys were saying. When Milos and Lampe and those 1st rd picks are mentioned and some of us said we gave up too much for marbury, how many said Lampe was gonna be a bust at 18yr of age and Milos isn't good because he didn't come play for the knicks who had Layden as GM.. Now if others mention that TT is a bust and Zeke's players that just came to the knicks are bust everbody has excuses of why they aren't. I hope we beat the clippers tonight because the excuses are getting out of hand.

Posted by Rich:

In 1989, the Yankees traded a young Al Leiter for Jesse Barfield. Barfield had a good first few months, while Leiter had surgery and did not recover for a few years. Some, like John Sterling, said the trade was a steal for the Yankees. No one would say that after a few years had passed.

Saying this trade was a bust at this point is moronic.

[Edited by - Rich on 02/27/2004 16:28:07]

its moronic not to see that kvh is better than TT, it is really quite simple.